Sampon dermatita seboreica

Da, din pacate nu exista tratament definitiv. Stiu mai multe persoane care au avut aceasta problema, care reusesc sa o tina sub control cu nizoral, fluconazol etc. Dar sigur e dermatita seboreica? Intreb pentru ca, din cate citesc aici, mai exista si alte cateva boli dermatologice cu efecte asemanatoare.

Va salut baieti, n-am mai intrat de mult timp dar am zis sa-mi fac acum putin timp, la mine e vechea problema toate nebuniile s-au extins si pe barbie,mustata,stiti voi etc, cert e ca m-am saturat de toate tampeniile cremele si m-am hotarat sa incerc ceva radical, am cativa prieteni care au DS si avem toti in comun un singur lucru... ( acum apelez la voi sa-mi spuneti daca si voi sunteti la fel sau suntem noi ciudati ) TOTI avem sistemul imunitar slab si cand spun slab ma refer ca racim des, avem diferite probleme, tuse seaca etc..
Asa ca zic eu, sa incerc altceva ca vad ca, cremele sunt o caruta de bani si doar mascheaza toata tarasenia, luna viitoare dupa ce imi voi face absolut toate analizele voi apela la un set de 10 injectii cu anti-corpi pe scurt, doza soc pt cresterea sistemului imunitar, s-a demonstrat ca daca sistemul imunitar este puternic organismul poate lupta cu orice intrus/boala/bacterie si nu numai atat, odata localizata problema corpul va recunoaste semnatura virusului si in viitoare incercari de invadare.
Nu stiu daca stiti dar mai mult de 85% din pacientii cu HIV au dermatita seboreica, pacienti care din nou, au imunitatea la pamant.
O sa postez si pentru voi rezultatele aici, care cred eu vor fi favorabile. M-am gandit si la pastile pt imunitate dar m-am interesat mai bine si sunt mari vrajeli.

PS: M-am consultat si cu un medic dermatolog si a zis ca merita incercat. Asta ca sa nu ziceti ca va povestesc ce-am visat aseara.
Daca nu mai apuc sa postez alt mesaj inseamna c-am descoperit leacul si m-au asasinat traficantii de corticoizi ) S-auzim de bine !

Edited by MitzaPCH, 19 January 2014 - 02:41.

 MitzaPCH, on 19 ianuarie 2014 - 02:34, said:

Departe de adevar nu esti. Insa daca bagi corticoizi in tine ai sa dai dintr-o belea intr-alta.
Eu unul nu am sistemul imunitar deloc slabit. Ba chiar din contra. Si cu toate acestea ma mai supara din cand in cand DS. O tin in frau cu BlueCap-ul (orice altceva am incercat pana acuma nu a dat rezultatele pe care le da aceasta crema) si cu o igiena corespunzatoare.
INSA, daca vrei sa-ti ridici imunitatea (mai ales acuma, in sezonul rece), cel mai la indemana este cu Immunal - Sandoz (solutie orala; este naturala si excelelnta).
Cantastim-ul - vaccinul atialergic - era facut la Institutul Catacuzino si actiona prin ridicarea imunitatii. Nu stiu daca se mai fabrica, daca se mai gaseste, insa pentru imunitate, Cantastim-ul, dadea rezultate EXTRAORDINARE.

Salut razvan2007, nu voi folosi si nici n-am folosit corticoizi pana acum, ma refeream la Cantastim, eu n-am vrut sa postez numele pentru ca n-am vrut sa dau idei nebune, am zis mai intai sa testez pe pielea mea.
Cand o sa am putin mai mult timp o sa incep toata nebunia, promit ca postez rezultatele dupa acel set de injectii.

Nu vreau sa ma antepronunt, in legatura cu vindecarea sau ameliorarea dermatitei seboreice, dar vreau sa impartasesc ce am descoperit tuturor celor care au aceasta problema. De mai bine de o luna am urmat ceea ce am gasit aici, iar rezultatele, pe cuvant de onoare va spun, in cazul meu, sunt uimitoare. Nu am folosit miere cruda pentru ca, evident, la vremea aceasta, nu se gaseste asa ceva (doar vara tarziu, cand se recolteaza mierea din faguri). Insa am folosit miere normala, luata de la cineva de incredere; miere curata, nu serbet din zahar, melasa sau mai stiu eu ce alte porcarii ce se gasesc in special prin magazine si in care nu poti avea incredere ca este miere curata 100%.
La momentul cand scriu aceste randuri am fata cur de bebe si, de cand am dat cu nasul de miere , nu am mai experimentat toate acele probleme specifice bolii. Am aplicat si aplic zilnic masca, timp de 3h, pe toate zonele problematice. Masca o dau jos prin masaj usor, clatind cu apa calduta si din abundenta. De-atunci n-am mai pus deloc sapun pe fata.

De asemenea mai puteti citi si aici.

Ieftin, natural, neinvaziv si, cel mai important, eficient.
Sper sa dea si altora rezultatele pe care le-am obtinut eu!

Edited by razvan2007, 31 January 2014 - 13:57.

Si eu am avut succes in tratarea sau ameliorarea nu stiu exact (de 6 luni nu a mai aparut) a dermatitei seboreice pe fata.Cine doreste sa incerce si sper sa functioneze si la voi ,trebuie sa faca urmatoarea chestie:amestecam otet de mere si miere + lingurita de miere (autentica,aveti grija ce cumparati) acest amestec il tineam pe fata o ora.Dupa aceea ma spalam si intindeam apisan ,pe care il mai tineam o ora sau mai mult .Eu am facut treaba asta zilnic timp de o luna, dimineata, si am rarit-o la de doua ori pe saptamana.Am folosit apisan forte(apisanforte.ro) pt ca asta aveam in casa nu am incercat cu miere simpla dar s-ar putea sa mearga si asa.Am suferit de dermatita aproximativ 10 ani ,la inceput mai usor dar in timp se extinsese pe 60%din fata.Acum nu se mai cunoaste nici o urma.Nu stiu daca conteaza ,dar nu am folosit creme cu cortizon.S-ar putea ca asta sa mai ingreuneze procesul dar incercati mai mult.La mine a avut efect 100% ,sper sa mearga si la voi.

 MitzaPCH, on 19 ianuarie 2014 - 02:34, said:

Nu vreau sa te dezamagesc dar nu cred ca are vreo legatura. Si eu am aceiasi problema cu dermatita insa nu am sistem imunitar slab. Sunt ani de zile de cand am racit ultima oara, iar la mine raceala inseamna putina tuse 1-2 zile si nas infundat 4-5 zile maxim. Nu am facut vreodata vaccin antigripal sau alte prostii de genul asta. De problema cu cojile insa nu am putut sa scap inca din adolescenta.

In ce priveste dermatita seboreica puteti incerca si samponul de la gerovital cu ichtiol http://www.farmec.ro...ichtiol-69.html

 zeus1, on 16 februarie 2014 - 19:34, said:

De ce, au încercat toți cei de la canalu' ăl mai bun de știri din România și au scăpat de dermatită? Sau ți-au scăzut vânzările de smacuri și te-ai gândit să încerci și aici cu ceva reclama?

Eu am vreo doua luni de cind ma spal la cap cu bicarbonat, am parul scurt,  bicarbonatul il las cam trei minute apoi il clatesc, pot spune ca scalpul meu sa curatat de toate cojitele,nu am mai folosit nici un fel de sampon doar bicarbonat

Am dermatita de 23 ani.
Sampoanele folosite au fost cele prezentate pe acest forum,10 ani aproximativ nu am mai avut matreata de cand am folosi dercosul Vichi in schimb in aceasta perioada pe fata nu am scapat de pete si cojite.
Din vara anului trecut au reaparut cojile pe cap folosind in continuare dercos si unguentul preparat in farmacie(l-am postat aici pe forum) dar tot nu am scapat de coji.
Ultimele sampoane incercate au fost Node K Bioderma,Stieprox sau Stebiprox si Favisanul Nutritiv(l-am folosit aproape pe tot).
Nu va spun ala e cel mai bun sau altul dar cand dau cu un sampon nou si parca e mai rau,il fac cadou.
Am recomandat dercos unui coleg,dar nu a avut efect decat cateva luni,asa ca nu la toata lumea are efectele scontate.
In disperare si mancarime am cumparat de o saptamana Alpecin Killer,de la prima spalare nu am mai avut mancarimi iar la a doua mai am cojite foarte mici.
Killerul asta cica este nou.Cat de nou este?cine il foloseste?cum este pe termen lung?
Uleiul din samburi de strugure am observat ca amelioreaza efectele dar decat pe termen foarte scurt
Am facut prima masca cu miere de salcam.Sper sa am rezultatele lui Razvan 2007.

 Constan, on 24 martie 2014 - 23:19, said:

Să dea Dumnezeu!
Indiferent de rezultatele obținute folosind mierea, să postezi cum evoluează totul. Chiar sunt curios dacă și la tine surpriza va fi tot plăcută și, sper, de durată.

Sănătate multă!

Ma confrunt cu aceasta problema si eu,  de ani de zile.  Nu am probleme cu imunitatea (raceala/gripa o data la 4 ani), analize normale, alimentatie echilibrata fara prajeli, nu fumez. Am incercat sampoane de la Ducray, Vichy etc...singurul cu care o tin in frau este BlueCap, dar trebuie sa ma spal o data la 2 zile, il gasesc greu si  folosesc un flacon mic de aprox. 70 ron/luna. Cum incerc sa renunt la el, problema reapare, a dat dependenta.  Ma deranjeaza faptul ca trebuie sa ma spal la 2 zile, ca imi subtie si usuca parul. Am sesizat ca problema depinde si de apa cu care ma spal, fiind agravata de apa dura sau din piscina.
La nivelul tenului - mai fac scuame doar la baza scalpului, preponderent la tample. Idem, o tin partial sub control cu crema BlueCap. Pe fata FACEAM scuame intre sprancene, in sprancene, pliurile nasului, dar de scuamele astea am scapat definitiv si ieftin: spalat cu apa plata pe fata, demachiere/curatat fata doar cu apa micelara (oricare, Bioderma are preturi nesimtite in Romania, "afara" luam cu 15 euro un bidon de 500 ml de apa micelara pt bebe) si lotiune simpla (aia de la Gerovital). Ca si crema - Normaderm este o porcarie care da dependenta si usuca pielea ceva de groaza (senzatia ca se rupe cand zambeam), La Roche ma umplea de puncte negre, Avene (cu AHA, caca-maca-laca) usca si ea pielea - acuma folosesc dimineata banala crema pt ten seboreic de la...Gerovital! Nu ingrasa si nu usuca, simplu si ieftin ca braga.  Seara - ulei cosmetic, gasiti functie de ten.
Mai caut metode pt a scapa si de cea de la nivelul scalpului, cu siguranta rezolvarea nu poarta niciun brand, nicio companie "celebra" nu are interesul sa trateze asa ceva, dependenta le umple buzunarele, nu vindecarea. Imi aduc aminte ca maica-mea a luat acum vreo 20 ani de nu stiu unde Dzeu niste flacoane cu nu stiu ce lotiune chinezeasca de plante, bizara, mirositoare, cica impotriva caderii parului - OMG! Am facut atunci o claie de par des care crestea incredibil de repede! Deci, solutia definitiva la "bubele" de piele nu e pe raft in farmacii. Succes!

Ce ingrediente ar trebui sa contina un sampon ca sa isi faca treaba in problema asta:

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 rellyc, on 29 martie 2014 - 22:12, said:

Pentru o hidratare adevarata cauta info despre produsele Paula's Choice, intrunesc toate conditiile de ingrediente si nu ai sa gasesti alcool sau alte dracovenii in ele.

Salut baietii ! Esec total cu pastilele, injectiile, imunitatea etc. Am revenit din nou la vechile obiceiuri cu Vichy Dercos, Kerium DS crema si Apidermin Lux.
In alta ordine de idei rasfoiam net-ul zilele trecuta si am dat peste ceva ce zic eu merita impartit cu voi sa-mi ziceti ce credeti sau daca a mai incercat cineva ceva.
Nu stiu de voi dar eu cand sunt in concediu la mare/ocean parca n-am avut niciodata DS de aceea mi se pare cel putin aplicabila ideea domnului de mai jos.

"BullDancer"
"Okay, let me begin by saying that I’ve had Seborrheic Dermatitis for over 18 years. So I know what you are going through, and I DO have a cure (or CURES I should say) for you. I have tried everything you can possibly imagine over the years, done thousands of hours of research, tested natural sources (oils, etc.), diet, allergens, and even made my own concoctions. There is not a doctor or person out there that is going to tell me about this condition. While I have seen some people providing information that is on the right track, a HUGE percentage is seriously misguided or incomplete.
Before I get into this, here is some immediate action to take:
1.) If you are putting any natural oils or butters on your face, coconut oil, jojoba oil, neem oil, tee tree oil, almond oil, lavender, oil of oregano, olive leaf oil, etc. (you’ll notice I mentioned many anti-fungals, and the list goes on)…STOP immediately!!
2.) If you are using a soap of any kind, natural or otherwise, STOP immediately!!
3.) If you are using steroid creams, cordizones, or various prescriptions with side effects too numerous to mention…for the love of God..STOP immediately!!
There are more action items, but I’ll cover them later. For now the first thing we need to address is seborrheic dermatitis itself (and this applies to psoriasis, enzcema, rosacea as well), what and why it is happening, and what it is that I mean by “cures” (plural). There are two cures that I am referring to and they need defining. The first is the “cure” for your symptoms. Depending on how bad your flare up is, this information will get rid of your flare up completely from within HOURS to 1-3 days. And your symptoms are are gone! That’s right, not weeks like other “solutions”…which I will touch on later. In most cases you will see a DRASTIC change overnight that will make you say “holy crap” when you look in the mirror. The second cure is the cure for what is causing your Dermatitis. I consider “cured” to be when you have absolutely no symptoms and you no longer have a skin problem. You have probably heard many people say “it’s a food allergy!”, or “it’s your diet and toxins”, or “it’s your detergent”, or “it’s SLS in your shampoo and toothpaste” and confidently proclaim their cure. In some regard, they are correct, but they are also very misguided and incomplete from what I have seen. So this info is to help you to understand everything better avoid all of the wild goose chases this skin issue (and people) can send you on. Here is goes:
CURE #1, Dermatitis and Your Symptoms
Without getting too in depth, Seborrheic Dermatitis or dermatitis in general, is causing your skin to flare up because of yeast; more specifically Mallassezia yeast. This yeast grows on everyone’s skin and feeds off of the sebum (oil) that your body/skin produces. With dermatitis, you are producing more oil than normal in the areas of your flare ups, while also overproducing skin cells. The Mallassezia yeast feeds on this oil (and lipids…in soap!) and grow themselves. This causes skin irritation and flaky skin, due to the rapid oil and skin cell production. The rapid skin cell production, rapid oil, and yeast production, go hand in hand with flare ups. That said, any oil you put on your face is providing a feeding ground for yeast to thrive. Various natural oils, or creams that contain natural oils, may provide you some burning relief temporarily…but you are taking one step forward and two-three steps back! There are many oils that have anti-fungal properties that can help kill or diminish the yeast. HOWEVER, you are still providing food for them to grow! Moreover, you are providing A LOT of that food. It’s more food and growth than you are killing. Most dermatitis is also usually secluded to particular areas of your body or face and scalp. Those are the areas that are overproducing oil, while the other areas are not. So when you start adding additional oil to those areas, AND to the areas that are not overproducing, you are actually encouraging the yeast to spread to areas it normally wouldn’t. Think about it, now there is food there too! Just know that anti-fungal oils may hurt the yeast a little bit in theory, but the amount you are feeding the yeast is WAY more! Go ahead and try putting coconut oil on a flare up for a long period of time. While coconut oil can do wonders for skin…it will sky rocket and spread your flare up over time. The people who have had any cure success with oils is because they UKNOWINGLY solved their “cure #2” (discussed below) problem when switching to natural oil based solutions. Meaning, they may have been allergic to SLS, or something in their previous cream, or the flare up caused them to switch detergents, diet, etc., etc. It was definitely not the oil. Soaps are also no good! Soaps tend to clog your pores no matter how natural, and more importantly, almost all are made of lipids which yeast also feeds on. So in a way you are almost trapping the yeast with an additional food source along with the over production of oil you are producing in that area. So stay away from soaps and oils! What you need is something that has no oils, no soap or lipids, no chemicals, fragrances, irritants, etc., that cleans your pours/skin and kills the yeast. Forget about coal/pine tar soaps or shampoos, pyrithione zinc, selenium sulfide, ketoconazole, or any of those soaps/shampoos. Yes, they have good anti-fungal properties that can be effective, but they also have other properties and chemicals that will not work for many people and can be causing or adding to the problem. So what do you use then, right? The answer is Sea Salt - unrefined, no frangrances, PURE sea salt with trace minerals. The best, hands down, is Dead Sea Salt. The more trace minerals that are in the salt, the better. I use on be the company Minera, but if you are in a pinch just go to any natural foods store and pick up a pure sea salt that has lots of trace minerals. It will work VERY well. The Dead Sea Salt just takes it to a whole other level. Just research if you want to know why. It’s the lowest elevation on earth and has properties found nowhere else on earth. So here’s what to do:
1.) Take a small bowl and fill it with warm water, mixing in a generous amount of the sea salt.
2.) Put the bowl aside and splash your face with regular warm water for 10-30 seconds to open up your pores. You can do this with a warm wash cloth if you wish. The goal is just to open your pores and make sure they are open when you wash with the sea salt water.
3.) Now wash your face with the sea salt water. If you have a flare up or get in in your eyes, it will sting. But it’s going to be the same sting you would have if you went for a dip in the ocean in your current state. The sting is fine for your eyes too (unlike stings from chemicals) and hurts only initially the same as if you opened your eyes under water in the ocean. So continue to wash your face with the salt water for a few minutes. If you can soak your face in it, even better, as you really want it to soak in and clean good.
4.) Now rinse your face with cold water and pat dry with a clean wash cloth.
5.) If your skin does not feel tight or overly dry after, then leave it alone and don’t put anything else on it. That is ideal. But if it you need to put a moisturizer on, I would recommend small amount of Aveeno Eczema Therapy lotion. It’s oatmeal based, not greasy, fragrance free, and tends not to sting flare ups like many lotions. I haven’t been the biggest fan of Aveeno products, but this one is in a different class. Do not dump tons all over your face. Rub a small amount in, see how your face feels after a few minutes, and if it’s too tight or dry rub in just a little more if needed. Do that until you are comfortable. I suggest patting your face after moisturizing to remove any excess. When your skin is completely healed soon, you won’t even need the moisturizer.
If you do this routine morning and night, your skin will have dramatic results almost immediately. You will be shocked! A friend of mine had a very bad flare up for weeks with the severe sunburn look all over his face because he was spreading it with natural oils. I obviously gave him this information, and he told me that within an hour he saw a 75% improvement and was almost 100% clear the next day. He actually didn’t have the Aveeno until the next morning so he used a very light layer of Neosporin all over his face, then splashed cold water on and patted dry. He wanted as little on as possible that could be greasy which is correct! Anyway, I don’t know about the Neosporin, but whatever works!
CURE #2 – The “real” cure
As I mentioned earlier, the skin is the body’s first line of defense signaling that something is wrong. And let me tell you, something IS wrong. Everyone is different and their body’s react differently to things. Take a shell-fish allergy for example. Some people may break out in hives, some may get lock-jaw, some may have their throat close. In this case shell-fish is the cause, and the reactions can obviously differ. But various body reactions don’t just happen with allergies, they can happen with a myriad of issues. For example, when there’s too much bad flora in your gut and your liver has too many toxins. This is quite difficult to clear and takes a very strict diet/detoxing over time to heal. This is not an allergy, but something that the body will react to. In my, or your case, our body reacts with dermatitis! Wonderful, huh? Hey, it’s better than throat closing! Anyway, what you need to understand is that everyone is different and everyone has a different cause. The causes are mainly going to be an allergies, or something health related. THAT is what YOU need to figure out. When you do, and you address it…Seborrheic Dermatitis is GONE! Just remember, the dermatitis you have is a reaction. It’s not just “hey sorry, this is how your body works” like doctors may have you believe. It doesn’t just happen, just like your throat wouldn’t close under healthy/normal conditions. It’s a reaction…so find your cause. That said, your cause could be an allergy to food, environment, detergent, SLS in shampoos, any chemical out there, or you name it. If it’s health related, it could be bad flora (candida overgrowth) in the gut needing probiotics and diet detox, or it could be a vitamin deficiency where your body is not functioning properly for example. So it’s not JUST a food allergy, or JUST a health problem. It’s different for everyone. The next time you see someone ranting or even selling their “it’s 100% a food allergy” cure, know that they might be helping some people who it actually is a food allergy, and seriously misguiding many others at the same time. I would try and get health blood tests and allergy blood tests (food and elemental) and see if you can pin point it. PS – I hate to say this but it could be more than one issue - like bad gut, and multiple allergies, etc.. However, remember that the body can react differently to different allergies. In the meantime, try to cut out some obvious bad habits you might currently have. If your eating a lot of crap food, smoking, drinking lots of coffee, alcohol, eating high amounts of sugars, etc., to help your cause. Also keep your skin as clean and dry as possible. Some moisturizing is okay and in most cases needed off the bat, but keep it to a minimum and you’ll be okay.
I know how awful, embarrassing, frustrating, and self-esteem killing dermatitis can be, so I’m really hoping this make a positive difference for people. It’s taken a long time to collect, understand, and experiment.
So I’d love to hear peoples’ experience using this, and would be happy to answer any questions.
Contact me through the email link at my curezone profile.

Good luck!"

Chiar nu am timp de o traducere, daca are cineva putin timp liber sa ajute si colegii care nu prea le au cu engleza ar putea sa ii ajute.
Sincer .. nu mai stiu ce sa cred, la cate tampenii am incercat, otet, uleiuri de nspe mii de feluri, miere si alte zeci de creme nu m-ar surprinde sa nu functioneze nici tampenia asta cu sarea ) doar ca pare cat de cat logica oricum la cat de disperat sunt m-as da si cu carbune incins pe fata.
Va tin la curent dupa ce reusesc sa procur niste sare d-asta de la un prieten din Israel, ca n-am incredere in sharlele romanesti.

Am fost la vreo 4-5 medici...toti mi-au dat tot felul de sampoane(Ducray,Nizoral,etc) farmaceutice si creme ,solutii pentru fata...nu au avut nici un efect...Hairstylistul la care ma tund mi-a recomandat urmatorul sampon : http://www.aoro.ro/l...-scalp-sanatos/ ,eu l-am cumparat de la salon.Puteti sa va duceti la oricare salon care comercializeaza loreal si sa intrebati de sampon pentru matreata.Sunt diferite,depinde pe care-l gasiti,nu trebuie neaparat sa semene cu cel din link.Iar pentru fata folosesc o solutie micelara si o crema pentru scuame de la Ivatherm,le recomandase decanul facultatii de medicina de la Timisoara  intr-un articol pentru astfel de probleme.Ceea ce am mai observant e ca imi apar atunci cand mananc peste 80 g de carbohidrati pe zi ...si am un ten super curat cand tin o dieta ketogenica.Va urez succes!

 MariusCD, on 10 iulie 2014 - 03:30, said:

   [ https://i.imgur.com/qq8uYxk.gif - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ]   de unde apareti bai vere, ce atitudine de pitiponi aveti unii de aici, mai rau ca niste pisde  [ https://i.imgur.com/SCZNVB5.gif - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ] daia va si fac toti doctorii de bani, au cu cine =))

ca sa fiu on, bagati shampon cel mai scump, cu cat dai mai mult cas$^caval pe el, cu atat o sa scapi mai rpd de matreata, pe cale de consecinta logica, ati vazut ca dupa ce va spalati cu astea, dispare si matreata... sau stai [ https://i.imgur.com/3R7tNLI.gif - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ]

Edited by zjyghczk, 10 July 2014 - 08:03.

 zjyghczk, on 10 iulie 2014 - 08:02, said:

Ce e asa de greu de inteles?Organismul meu nu tolereaza carbohidratii .Cand ii consum in exces si nu urmez nici un tratament imi apar o gramada de scuame fata de cand nu ii consum.Crezi ca doctorii imi vindeau sampoanele ,crèmele?Nu mai vorbi daca nu ai o astfel de problema si nu stii prin ce trec restul ...ce va urasc pe astia care va dati asa cu parerea ,doar ca sa va aflati in treaba

Apropo,bezmeticule,pentru cultura ta generala 99% din boli se pot vindeca prin alimentatie.