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IMIGRANTII/REFUGIATII sau cum pot ei afecta viata si existenta europenilor

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View Postradumiki, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 14:26, said:

Ati vazut cum se catara in vagoanele de tren pe geam?


Intr-adevar, Europa a gasit motive de a iesi din plictiseala si rutina....
Ce par are ala, ce haine, ce tunsura, cum tipa, cum se inghesuie la un tren asaltat de sute de oameni, de ce iau copii, de ce lasa copii, de ce aduc copii, de ce trimit copii....De ce trec pe sub sarma si nu peste sarma....ridica mainile in sus, nu le ridica.....
In fine ceva alunga plictisul si scurteaza siesta de la ora 14.00 a batranei europe.

Posibil ca aici este explicatia neprevederii si nepregatirii Europei pentru un flux mai serios de oameni.
Au si ei material de discutie la o berica.

Ps-1
Rog colegii de forum, daca cineva a fost intr-o situatie apropiata cu cele ce le vedem despre acesti refugiati,
sa ne impartaseasca si noua cateva simtiri si sentimente reale dintr-o asemenea actiune.
Ar fi instructiv.

Ps-2
Cine a circulat cu metroul la Tokyo ?
Sau cu cursa de navestisti, Ploiesti - Siriu pe Valea Buzaului ?

Edited by vio69a, 21 September 2015 - 15:04.


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View Postslai, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 13:58, said:

Ce aveti contra refugiatilor oameni buni?
Io chiar sunt baiat bun, ma ofer sa cazez o refugiata de 18, maxim 19 ani!

La această întrebare se poate răspunde aşa:
1) Unii îi detestă de dragul urii, pt. că au altă rasă şi/sau religie decât ei;
2) Alţii sunt enervaţi de comportamentul lor. Cândd fac mizerie (nu că românii ar fi curaţi), aruncă mâncarea primită, vor să impună şaria în zonele dominate de ei îţi sare ţandăra. Dacă nu vor să bea alcool, e alegerea lor, dar să nu-mi spună mie că nu am voie să beau alcool faţă de ei.

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View Postthe_lion, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 13:54, said:

Copiez si aici ultimul post de pe topicul vechi, vreau sa am posibilitatea sa spun "v-am spus eu" daca devin un Nostradamus mai mic.

Pun pariu ca dupa problema asta cu refugiatii intram direct intr-o criza majora-colaps pe burse, etc.
Este totusi incredibil cata liniste este pe burse in momentul asta, dar sunt convins ca linistea asta nu va mai dura mult.
Tare mi-e ca problema cu refugiatii, una deloc minora, este orchestrata de asa natura incat sa mascheze , in faza incipienta,  aparitia unor "cutremure" financiare. Ajunsi cu cutitul la os, solutiile de rezolvare a crizei asteia ni se vor parea "parfum"...desi s-ar putea sa iasa fum pe furnale din cu totul alte motive.
Sper sa ma insel.

E posibil. Am mai scris pe alt topic mai demult ca la cererea UE Romania a trebuit sa adopte Directiva privind redresarea și rezoluția bancară - BRRD

http://www.consilium...ery-resolution/

http://www.bancherul...rie-2015--13637

Cateva observatii interesante:
În cazul în care situația unei bănci devine atât de problematică încât redresarea acesteia într-un termen rezonabil devine nerealistă, autoritățile naționale de rezoluție au competența:
(...) să aplice măsuri de recapitalizare internă: de exemplu, convertirea datoriilor în acțiuni sau reducerea acestora - astfel, pierderile sunt impuse acționarilor și creditorilor băncii, conform unei ordini stabilite, și nu contribuabililor.

Mentiune: titularii de depozite la o banca sunt considerati creditori ai bancii, deci in caz ca banca se aventureaza sa acorde credite deamboulea si sa se joace cu derivative si apoi are probleme => deponentii au de suferit: li se iau cu japca bani din depozit si li se da in schimb actiuni la banca, actiuni valoroase nevoie-mare

Ce mai zice Directiva BRRD:

Depozitele persoanelor fizice și ale întreprinderilor mici și mijlocii depână la 100 000 € vor fi scutite de orice pierdereși vor fi protejate prin sistemul de garantare a depozitelor.


Sa ii credem ca depozitele sub 100.000 EUR vor fi scutite de jefuiala? Tocmai ce am vazut cum s-a sters UE la popou cu Regulamentul Dublin si legislatia Schengen. Ce motiv am avea sa credem ca nu vor reinterpreta dupa bunul plac Directiva si se vor infinge cu tupeu si in depozitele sub 100.000 EUR?
Ma asteptam ca in toiul crizei cu Grecia, UE sa ceara recapitalizarea bancilor grecesti din banii deponentilor. N-au facut-o ci au preferat sa le recapitalizeze din fondurile UE.

Poate ca UE s-a abtinut sa fure deponentilor greci banii din banci pentru ca tintesc mai ambitios: sa fure banii de prin conturile deponentilor din toate tarile UE. Se zvonea acum cateva luni ca Deutsche Bank s-ar fi jucat cu niste derivative - sume uriase - si o sa aiba poate nevoie curand de recapitalizare. Doi directori de la varful DB au demisionat brusc in vara aceasta ceea ce a atras si mai multe speculatii. La cat de mare e DB, daca are probleme o sa tarasca dupa ea si alte banci, moment la care s-ar putea atenta la banii deponentilor.

Pe fundalul unei crize cu imigranti o furaciune ca asta va parea parfum si ar putea fi varata pe gatul europenilor mai usor.

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Daca statul le da ajutoare, astia nu vor trebui sa cheltuie pe haleala, masini, bani? Oricum nu au unde sa trimita banii. Asta nu inseamna ca economia ca dudui?

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View Poste_bulu, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 14:05, said:

Eventual una care are bunul simt sa-si dea mustata jos inainte de a te intoarce tu de la munca...
Uite ce scrie o romanca care s-a dat la islamism, nuvorbesc despre colegele noastre si nu pot da link pentru ca este blogul uneia din ele!
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mashallah draga sora asa este noi avem numai 3 sarbatori,sa ne fereasca Allah swta de inventii si traditii si inovatii care ne indeparteaza de calea adevarului.InshaAllah.Chiar si lucruri mici eu cea mai mare problema am avut-o cu pensatul, pur si simplu nu ma puteam abtine sa ma opresc ,dar acum Alhamdulillah ,iubesc sprancenele mele stufoase si impreunate la mijloc" Posted Image
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View PostCris007, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 14:02, said:

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de ce dracu ai bagat poza asta, nu ai comentat nimic la ea ci pur si simplu ai trantit-o? care e scopul ei, faci spam?

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View PostCris007, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 14:02, said:

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We walk together: a Syrian family’s journey to the heart of Europe – video

Keep walking ... spre america.

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Am eu impresia sau tanti aia din poze are sprancenele pensate?

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View PostBursul, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 15:21, said:

Am eu impresia sau tanti aia din poze are sprancenele pensate?
Photoshop!

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View Postcostyn_man, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 15:23, said:

Photoshop!
Nope . Siria de dinainte de conflict era laica .
Si majoritatea sirienilor nu sunt fanatici religiosi .
Cam ca tunisienii dinaintea "primaverii" arabe .

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View PostPollux, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 13:59, said:

aia din Daesh sunt si mai generosi ca tine... accepta refugiate chiar mai mici de 12 ani. Posted Image
Articol proaspat, meteahna veche! Intre 2 rugaciuni, ciuhapilor le place sa arda in fundulet minorii, fetite si baieti! Bacha bazi, bacha bazi, asa se cheama practica si tine de cultura lor despre care baboiul Merkel zice ca trebuie respectata, asa ca...tineti-va copilasii bine.

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The New York Times
By JOSEPH GOLDSTEINSEPT. 20, 2015
U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies
KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.
“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”
Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.
The policy has endured as American forces have recruited and organized Afghan militias to help hold territory against the Taliban. But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children.
“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”
The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.
After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.
Four years later, the Army is also trying to forcibly retire Sgt. First Class Charles Martland, a Special Forces member who joined Captain Quinn in beating up the commander.
“The Army contends that Martland and others should have looked the other way (a contention that I believe is nonsense),” Representative Duncan Hunter, a California Republican who hopes to save Sergeant Martland’s career, wrote last week to the Pentagon’s inspector general.
In Sergeant Martland’s case, the Army said it could not comment because of the Privacy Act.
When asked about American military policy, the spokesman for the American command in Afghanistan, Col. Brian Tribus, wrote in an email: “Generally, allegations of child sexual abuse by Afghan military or police personnel would be a matter of domestic Afghan criminal law.” He added that “there would be no express requirement that U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan report it.” An exception, he said, is when rape is being used as a weapon of war.
The American policy of nonintervention is intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban. It also reflects a reluctance to impose cultural values in a country where pederasty is rife, particularly among powerful men, for whom being surrounded by young teenagers can be a mark of social status.
Some soldiers believed that the policy made sense, even if they were personally distressed at the sexual predation they witnessed or heard about.
“The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” a former Marine lance corporal reflected. “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”
Still, the former lance corporal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending fellow Marines, recalled feeling sickened the day he entered a room on a base and saw three or four men lying on the floor with children between them. “I’m not a hundred percent sure what was happening under the sheet, but I have a pretty good idea of what was going on,” he said.
But the American policy of treating child sexual abuse as a cultural issue has often alienated the villages whose children are being preyed upon. The pitfalls of the policy emerged clearly as American Special Forces soldiers began to form Afghan Local Police militias to hold villages that American forces had retaken from the Taliban in 2010 and 2011.
By the summer of 2011, Captain Quinn and Sergeant Martland, both Green Berets on their second tour in northern Kunduz Province, began to receive dire complaints about the Afghan Local Police units they were training and supporting.
First, they were told, one of the militia commanders raped a 14- or 15-year-old girl whom he had spotted working in the fields. Captain Quinn informed the provincial police chief, who soon levied punishment. “He got one day in jail, and then she was forced to marry him,” Mr. Quinn said.
When he asked a superior officer what more he could do, he was told that he had done well to bring it up with local officials but that there was nothing else to be done. “We’re being praised for doing the right thing, and a guy just got away with raping a 14-year-old girl,” Mr. Quinn said.
Village elders grew more upset at the predatory behavior of American-backed commanders. After each case, Captain Quinn would gather the Afghan commanders and lecture them on human rights.
Soon another commander absconded with his men’s wages. Mr. Quinn said he later heard that the commander had spent the money on dancing boys. Another commander murdered his 12-year-old daughter in a so-called honor killing for having kissed a boy. “There were no repercussions,” Mr. Quinn recalled.
In September 2011, an Afghan woman, visibly bruised, showed up at an American base with her son, who was limping. One of the Afghan police commanders in the area, Abdul Rahman, had abducted the boy and forced him to become a sex slave, chained to his bed, the woman explained. When she sought her son’s return, she herself was beaten. Her son had eventually been released, but she was afraid it would happen again, she told the Americans on the base.
She explained that because “her son was such a good-looking kid, he was a status symbol” coveted by local commanders, recalled Mr. Quinn, who did not speak to the woman directly but was told about her visit when he returned to the base from a mission later that day.
So Captain Quinn summoned Abdul Rahman and confronted him about what he had done. The police commander acknowledged that it was true, but brushed it off. When the American officer began to lecture about “how you are held to a higher standard if you are working with U.S. forces, and people expect more of you,” the commander began to laugh.
This is the same "culture" that our President has decided to flood our cities with by the tens of thousands. The same culture that he's...
“I picked him up and threw him onto the ground,” Mr. Quinn said. Sergeant Martland joined in, he said. “I did this to make sure the message was understood that if he went back to the boy, that it was not going to be tolerated,” Mr. Quinn recalled.
There is disagreement over the extent of the commander’s injuries. Mr. Quinn said they were not serious, which was corroborated by an Afghan official who saw the commander afterward.
(The commander, Abdul Rahman, was killed two years ago in a Taliban ambush. His brother said in an interview that his brother had never raped the boy, but was the victim of a false accusation engineered by his enemies.)
Sergeant Martland, who received a Bronze Star for valor for his actions during a Taliban ambush, wrote in a letter to the Army this year that he and Mr. Quinn “felt that morally we could no longer stand by and allow our A.L.P. to commit atrocities,” referring to the Afghan Local Police.
The father of Lance Corporal Buckley believes the policy of looking away from sexual abuse was a factor in his son’s death, and he has filed a lawsuit to press the Marine Corps for more information about it.
Lance Corporal Buckley and two other Marines were killed in 2012 by one of a large entourage of boys living at their base with an Afghan police commander named Sarwar Jan.
Mr. Jan had long had a bad reputation; in 2010, two Marine officers managed to persuade the Afghan authorities to arrest him following a litany of abuses, including corruption, support for the Taliban and child abduction. But just two years later, the police commander was back with a different unit, working at Lance Corporal Buckley’s post, Forward Operating Base Delhi, in Helmand Province.
Lance Corporal Buckley had noticed that a large entourage of “tea boys” — domestic servants who are sometimes pressed into sexual slavery — had arrived with Mr. Jan and moved into the same barracks, one floor below the Marines. He told his father about it during his final call home.
Word of Mr. Jan’s new position also reached the Marine officers who had gotten him arrested in 2010. One of them, Maj. Jason Brezler, dashed out an email to Marine officers at F.O.B. Delhi, warning them about Mr. Jan and attaching a dossier about him.
The warning was never heeded. About two weeks later, one of the older boys with Mr. Jan — around 17 years old — grabbed a rifle and killed
Lance Corporal Buckley’s father still agonizes about whether the killing occurred because of the sexual abuse by an American ally. “As far as the young boys are concerned, the Marines are allowing it to happen and so they’re guilty by association,” Mr. Buckley said. “They don’t know our Marines are sick to their stomachs.”
The one American service member who was punished in the investigation that followed was Major Brezler, who had sent the email warning about Mr. Jan, his lawyers said. In one of Major Brezler’s hearings, Marine Corps lawyers warned that information about the police commander’s penchant for abusing boys might be classified. The Marine Corps has initiated proceedings to discharge Major Brezler.
Mr. Jan appears to have moved on, to a higher-ranking police command in the same province. In an interview, he denied keeping boys as sex slaves or having any relationship with the boy who killed the three Marines. “No, it’s all untrue,” Mr. Jan said. But people who know him say he still suffers from “a toothache problem,” a euphemism here for child sexual abuse.

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View Postzircon, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 15:26, said:

Articol proaspat, meteahna veche! Intre 2 rugaciuni, ciuhapilor le place sa arda in fundulet minorii, fetite si baieti! Bacha bazi, bacha bazi. Treaba asta tine de cultura lor iar baboiul Merkel zice ca trebuie respectata, asa ca...tineti-va copilasii bine.
Am dat si eu linkul asta insa reactia a fost ca cea a mieilor dusi la taiere - indiferenta fata de viitor.

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View Postradumiki, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 14:26, said:

Ati vazut cum se catara in vagoanele de tren pe geam?
http://www.digi24.ro...entru refugiati
cand esti "disperat" intri si in gaura de sarpe..

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View Postmotanul13, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 15:26, said:

Nope . Siria de dinainte de conflict era laica .
Si majoritatea sirienilor nu sunt fanatici religiosi .
Cam ca tunisienii dinaintea "primaverii" arabe .
Deci mai exista si cite o floare printre buruieni? Cu o floare nu se face primavara!

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View Postcostyn_man, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 15:33, said:

Deci mai exista si cite o floare printre buruieni? Cu o floare nu se face primavara!
Pai nici nu are cum .
Atata timp cat "in sprijinul democratiei" finantezi fundamentalistii .

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View Postcasadivino, on 21 septembrie 2015 - 15:28, said:

cand esti "disperat" intri si in gaura de sarpe..

Corect, insa nu se puteau si ei organiza putin?
Cred ca asta contrariaza cel mai mult pe europeni, debandada pe care o arata grupurile astea.

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Hallo, ich habe gute Nachrichten für sie... :rolleyes:

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A erupt o dispută între algerieni şi eritreeni.
O eritreeancă creştină, ce purta cruce la gât, a fost lovită în repetate rânduri.

Desigur, tot noi suntem extremiştii islamofobi. :puke:

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