Televizoare OLED [discuții doar despre OLED]

Yav, on 13 august 2017 - 23:05, said:

Salut. Nu te poate ajuta nimeni ochiometric mai bine dacat tine. Sansele sa iti sugereze cineva niste setari de imagine care sa iti fie perfecte pe tv sunt mai mici ca 6/49. La fel si cu cele copiate de pe forumuri  http://www.tlvexp.ca...ioneer-lottery/ Daca esti din zona Bucuresti sau imprejurimi, sau zona Arad/Timisoara, e posibil sa te ajute cineva cu masuratori electo-optice cu aparatura profesionala pentru a determina cele mai corecte setari direct pe display-ul tau.

Edited by Calin_fdx, 14 August 2017 - 08:13.

In anumite imagini unde predomina albul, acel alb nu este stralucitor(este cu o tenta spre gri).
Cand sunt imagini unde doar o zona este alba(de exemplu camasa unei persoane), acela apare corect.
Sunt sigur ca sunt setari in urma carora sa obtin o imagine mai buna, insa nu stiu unde sa umblu si ce valori sa pun. Ma refer la setari mai complexe decat cele simple(contrast, culoare samd)
Poate totusi cineva ma poate indruma catre cineva care ma poate ajuta.
Sunt din Bucuresti.

Edited by Yav, 14 August 2017 - 13:34.

Yav, on 14 august 2017 - 13:34, said:

Ceea ce observi este ABL-ul agresiv in content field (camp uniform pe o supafata de peste 18% din aria totala a ecranului, "camasa" unei persoane intr-o scena are teoretic o arie mai mica de 18% decat sa zic reclama de la vodafone care are peste 50% supafata alba din totalul campului ecranului. Automat intra ABL-ul in actiune, si iti dimeaza capatul de luminanta ca si in clipul atasat. Calibrarea va rezolva multe alte probleme ale display-ului, mai ales ca modelele mai vechi de oled nu stateau prea grozav out of the box. Iti dau mesaj in privat cu contactul calibratorului certificat ISF, detinator de aparatura profesionala si soft dedicat OLED.

Edited by Calin_fdx, 14 August 2017 - 14:20.

OLED declarat castigator pe 2017. Citez din https://www.forbes.c...t/#5791cc635b3e

Aug 14, 2017 @ 09:20 AM 17

OLED Dominates Latest Public TV Shootout
-This shootout is different to most in that it is judged not by industry insiders or journalists, but by an audience of regular AV enthusiasts. As such, it might fairly be considered to be more representative of how the general public perceives the latest advances in TV technology.
-Last year the HDTVTest shootout caused a stir when the voting public overwhelmingly picked LCD TVs over OLED ones as their preferred sets for watching high dynamic range pictures. This year, though, advances in OLED technology and the arrival of more OLED sets from a variety of manufacturers have seen the results turned on their head, with OLED TVs winning almost all of the shootout’s categories.
-Panasonic had a particularly good night, as its flagship 65EZ1000/EZ1002 OLED was voted best overall TV of 2017
-LG, meanwhile, scored a close second place with its OLED65B7 - a considerable achievement for the Korean brand when you consider that the B7 is more than £2,000/$2,000 cheaper than the Panasonic winner.
-Perhaps the single most striking category result of the shootout, though, was the LG B7 model bagging the audience award for best HDR TV.
-The LG B7 also managed to snag the Best Gaming TV award thanks to its exceptionally low (21ms) input lag and the image ‘pop’ delivered by OLED’s self-emissive characteristics.
-The Panasonic 65EZ1000 has been voted TV of the year by an audience of normal consumers.
If you’re interested in the test conditions used for this public shoot out, all of the competing TVs (the LG OLED65B7, Panasonic 65EZ1002/EZ1000, Sony 65ZD9, Sony 65A1 and Samsung 65Q9F) were professionally calibrated before the event by Vincent Teoh from HDTVTest in conjunction with Tyler Pruitt from Portrait Displays (the developer of industry-leading calibration software, CalMAN).

Edited by Calin_fdx, 14 August 2017 - 16:26.

Pentru mine nu e nicio surpriza ca Panasonic este cel mai bun tv la ora actuala. OLED desigur. Lcd nu e de ei și își mențin actualele modele ca sa reziste pe piața .

Trebuie sa știi foarte clar ce vrei sa vezi la o imagine sau sa fie mai multe modele unul lângă celălalt.  Probabil ca luate individual, diferentele nu sunt foarte mari.

Însă unul langa altul, anumite diferențe de compoziție , gradare sau menținere a detaliilor în scenele "dificile " ptr un tv homeuser  devin vizibile.

Am fost profund impresionat de acest model.
Probabil la anul voi lua ez950.

De asemenea am spus-o de câteva ori ca LG e foarte aproape de aceste preformante cu adevărat extraordinare cu noua serie 7.

Dacă luam în calcul și prețul mult mai accesibil,  putem afirma cu încredere ca LG face cele mai bune tv la ora actuala cu un preț accesibil în acest segment al "pasionatilor" video.

Edited by AndreiNR, 14 August 2017 - 16:26.

Cum pot obtine un nr de telefon pentru o calibrare profesionala pentru un oled 55b6j [sunt din Onesti]

http://www.avsforum....-london-uk.html

Aici aveți întregul film al evenimentului cu poze și impresii de acolo precum și cu detalierea punctajului.
O lectura foarte intersanta,  pentru cine e interesat desigur, iar in cimenturi regăsesc aceleași impresii pe care le-am.avut și eu în legătură cu Panasonicul în privința culorilor și reproducerii acestora.

Obaervati desigur ca termenul QLED apare doar prin descrierea participanților.
Nu prezintă interes la nici capitol, lucru de așteptat de altfel (de cei care și gandesc).

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mrtickleuk
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1 day ago · #81
zAndy12 said:
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No lcds cos they were getting to find the best tv of 2017 and they just felt no lcd was that in any category hence no point including them


False.
ARROW-AV
1 day ago · #82
xSAMCOx said:
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Congrats to Panasonic. They cms is legendary.
Indeed  

That said, I think it's worth noting the difference in MSRP / RRP, where you can easily afford to purchase a SONY TV which doesn't have CMS plus a LUT box as well for less money combined as compared with the cost of the Panasonic; where via calibrating the SONY TV using the LUT box you can achieve almost perfect colour as well. Hence, it would be interesting to compare the performance of the Panasonic OLED versus the Sony A1 OLED plus LUT box where I would expect the performances to be very similar .
ARROW-AV
1 day ago · #83
scei159 said:
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And Sony OLED X300 HDR mastering monitor .
Ha! Sort of, but not really... The Sony OLED X300 HDR mastering monitor was not a PARTICIPANT it was the REFERENCE MONITOR

Wherein it should be noted that everyone was asked to allocate scores to the 5 number PARTICIPANTS... They did not allocate scores to the REFERENCE MONITOR .
fatallerror
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1 day ago · #84
ARROW-AV said:
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Indeed  

That said, I think it's worth noting the difference in MSRP / RRP, where you can easily afford to purchase a SONY TV which doesn't have CMS plus a LUT box as well for less money combined as compared with the cost of the Panasonic; where via calibrating the SONY TV using the LUT box you can achieve almost perfect colour as well. Hence, it would be interesting to compare the performance of the Panasonic OLED versus the Sony A1 OLED plus LUT box where I would expect the performances to be very similar .


Which TV you voted the highest? Do you agree with the results (Panasonic)
T( )( )L
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1 day ago · #85
So how was the metamerism between those chosen panels with reference to the X300? is the panny any different?
zAndy12
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1 day ago · #86
mattk69 said:
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Good point but it did include the Zd9 & Samsung Q something.

Ah ok sorry I didn't realise that, anyway they never had a realistic chance of winning any of the categories

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KMFDMvsEnya
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1 day ago · #87
WiFi-Spy said:
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Results :

Best Overall TV of 2017 : Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED


Interesting. Definitely look forward to the breakdown of this event. I would have thought the A1E or Z9 would have won HDR, Gaming, and LR.

I have a fools hope that Panasonic will reenter the US market next year.

Nobody tell Al the results, he is going to be most perturbed that his precious was not the One TV.
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ARROW-AV
1 day ago · #88
KMFDMvsEnya said:
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No body tell Al the results, he is going to be most perturbed that his precious was not the One TV.
Some of the 50 people doing the scoring/judging were FEMALE... So definitely don't tell Al! Enough said  .

markrubin
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1 day ago · #89
will the Panasonic OLED come to the USA?
Furryhobnob
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1 day ago · #90
I'm an e6 owner and was surprised the zd9 didn't win the hdr shootout due to its higher brightness, but on the other hand oleds ansi contrast is far superior to any lcd so the image should be better/richer, has the LG won as its the only tv with Dolby vision on the list, or has LG upped its game on the tone mapping on the 2017 oleds?

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Marc Alexander
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1 day ago · #91
markrubin said:
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will the Panasonic OLED come to the USA?
I while back I believe @D-Nice posted that the Panny will be back in the US by the holidays. I don't know what his sources are or if he is even maintaining that assertion.
@D-Nice ?
Furryhobnob
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1 day ago · #92
Marc Alexander said:
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I while back I believe @D-Nice posted that the Panny will be back in the US by the holidays. I don't know what his sources are or if he is even maintaining that assertion.
@D-Nice ?
Even if it is back, I'm not sure if it's the same for you in the US but in the UK the panny is around double the price of the b7, is the Panasonic worth double the price? I highly doubt it, anyone jumping on the oled bandwagon this year will be getting a great tv whichever you go for

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Lion Rider
1 day ago · #93
ARROW-AV said:
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Yes, the whole shootout event was filmed via video camera. I will post a link to it as and when .


Aha, thanks. Looking forward to this.
RobertR1
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1 day ago · #94
I was at the event. Let met get a few things out of the way which are important. Vincent, Tyler and the Crampton and Moore crew did a phenomenal job at the event. It was an absolute pleasure to be there so thank you all for putting this on and spoiling us!

Outside of Tyler, I was the only American there and as such, I have no British reserve in me. I was happy to ask questions and point things out when something seemed odd. Any oddities were quickly addressed and the having a large array of content made this extremely valuable.

For a TV nerd, this was the perfect opportunity to see the top sets in their settings calibrated by experts.

The sets were (in order of display):
- LG B7 OLED
- PANASONIC EZ1002 OLED
- SONY A1 OLED
- Reference: Sony OLED professional monitor
- SAMSUNG Q9 LCD
- SONY ZD9 LCD

Here are my findings in relation to the main categories:

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = Low input lag and great punch in HDR. The LG and Sony Z9D were immediate standouts when the feeds came up (winner)
Panasonic = Higher input lag and not as much punch in HDR as the LG
Sony A1E = Input lag dependent on source feed. HDR not as good as LG
Samsung = Game mode had sharpening applied (could be calibrated out?) and HDR implementation heavily favors detail over brightness which reduces it's impact
Sony Z9D = Input lag dependent on source feed. Great HDR (2nd choice)

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = Great in low light HDR. Bright picture HDR is the best among OLED's. Great balance in tone mapping with Dynamic Contrast set to low (winner)
Panasonic = Great in low light HDR, bright picture HDR lacking punch. Tone mapping is a good balance but the lack of HDR punch is clear compared to the LG.
Sony A1E = Good in low light HDR, bright picture HDR lacking punch. Tone mapping is a choice a between Cinema Home and Cinema Pro settings. Both are not great options. Either you get a dim pic or blown out details.
Samsung = Very poor low light HDR performance put this set well behind the others.
Sony Z9D = Ok in low light HDR, bright picture HDR is great. Tone mapping doesn't come into play as much due to the high peak light output the set is capable of. (2nd choice)

Best Living Room TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = With the lights on and still looking for a punch picture with various sources, the LG will do a great job (winner)
Panasonic = Top PQ but the ABL is noticeable compared to the LG (2nd choice)
Sony = PQ on part with LG but ABL performance is the worst out of all the OLED's present
Samsung = Even in daytime viewing the poor black level/dark scene performance is inexcusable
Sony Z9D = Being a FALD set has it's limitations even in a daytime viewing setting. The motion artifacts on the Z9D were quite pronounced which takes it out of the running


Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED
LG = Great all around but it's main benefit a higher peak output is neutralized in a critical viewing environment
Panasonic = The better colors and detail compared to any of other sets made this set standout (Winner)
Sony A1E = PQ similar to LG but smooth gradation is great feature making this a runner up (2nd choice)
Samsung = Absolutely not. There are no positives here.
Sony Z9D = As great as the Sony is (miles better than the Samsung) it's just plainly outmatched by any of the OLED's in a critical viewing environment

Summary: Price being equal, my choice would be the 65inch LG B7. It's top 2 in most categories and when it comes to the future needs of HDR, it pulls away comfortably from the other OLED's. It's ABL not kicking in as often makes it a better choice for SDR PQ consistency also. I was initially going to wait until next year but after having been to this event, I'm placing an order for a 65inch B7 to be calibrated by Vincent. If you have specific use cases or preferences, I'm sure most of the other sets can fit your bill. However, my viewing will be a mix of everything and for that the LG was consistently towards the top.

DV vs HDR10
Vincent made the ultimate sacrifice. He bought 2 copies of the new Power Rangers movie so we can have a comparison! The LG was showing the DV feed and the rest showing the HDR10. In this release, there was an easily noticeable different between DV and HDR10. The DV version had more depth to the picture. However, there was a bit of over saturation which was acknowledged but that didn't impact the 3D depth of the scene delivered by DV.

Random notes:
- All sets were calibrated to 200nits. This was to balance out the light pollution from multiple sets being on at the same time for comparison
- BFI = Flicker from BFI on the Sony and Panasonic was unbearable for me. The LCD's did a good job but the reduction in light output is severe
- Choppy motion on the Panasonic OLED = There was some pull down issues with motion that were fixed by turning on game mode so this is something a firmware update should be able to fix
- Red push on the QLED = I pointed this out before lunch and the team went to work on it. It was improved but still present throughout
- Smooth gradation on the Sony = Vincent showed us instance where the algorithm got confused and decided to remove the detail on tiles of a storefront. However that's something you have to look for. It's a good feature that should be enabled and kept on low"

Rezultatul calibrarii OLED-ului 65B7v, reliefat print-un clip video. Imaginea display-ului filmată cu un dsrl, semnal HD, o emisiune banală la Național Geographic. Intenția e reproducerea cât mai "accurate" a semnalului video, viziunea regizorului transpusa pe display, detaliul, mișcarea, albul neutru, tenul și culorile cât mai naturale. Nici nu mă așteptam să nu afișeze o imagine nenaturala sau spalacita, ci una plină de detaliu, vibranță, imersiva și fluenta. Pentru vizualizare, selectați rezoluție 1080p HD [ https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Uf-OAVSNjl8?feature=oembed - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ]

Edited by Calin_fdx, 15 August 2017 - 04:10.

floraur, on 12 august 2017 - 18:57, said:

El si încă 2-3 pe aici doar își fac reclamă că le calibreaza, nu vor să ajute cu recomandări reglaje, doar își vând serviciile aici. Au transformat toate topicele in vânzări servicii proprii. Mica publicitate
P.S. Pentru nelamuritii ca cel de mai jos. Acest topic NU ESTE TOPIC DE PRESTARI SERVICII.
Exista topic dedicat inclusiv pentru Discuții despre calibrari aici:
https://forum.softpe...4#entry21501899
Si, nu, nu ma interesează ce "profesionisti" sunt cei care strica topicurile pe această arie, cu reclama la serviciile proprii.

Edited by Sommerby, 15 August 2017 - 06:47.

Pe tine, de fapt, ce te deranjeaza? Ca face lobby calibrarii sau ca nu-ti impartaseste setarile de calibrare?
La cati bani a investit in cursuri, certificari si aparatura, eu, sincer, il inteleg.
Ai o suta de site-uri care iti prezinta setarile lor de calibrare. Esti liber sa le folosesti.
A, nu-ti convin?

Eu mi-am calibrat tv-ul si sunt foarte multumit de rezultat. Voi face la fel si la urmatorul tv.

Salut.

Ce ma sfatuiti sa iau OLED55C6V sau OLED55B7V. Mi-ar conveni primul ca are 3D. Cine il folosese, poate sa-mi spuna daca intradevar 3d e spectaculos pe el, si se poate vedea fara probleme.
Alta intrebare, la Oradea se poate face calibrare, stiti daca e cineva prin zona?

Multumesc anticipat pentru sfaturi.

B7
Calin _fdx

Noul OLED B7 este superior generației 6. Am ramas surprins cât de bine funcționează și player-ul intern, cât de rapid încarcă fișierele,  cât de rapid deruleaza, fără pic de sacadare, fișiere remux de 35gb cu titrare, diacritice. Nu exista un motiv temeinic pentru achiziția lui C6 atat timp cât titlurile 3D sunt pe cale de dispariție. Ca cinefil nu as sta pe gânduri dacă ar fi în balanța cele doua.
Este de apreciat faptul ca informația pertinenta este tot mai vasta, informarea din mediile avizate duce la achiziția unor produse de calitate justificând prețul cerut. Optimizarea imaginii ținând cont de măsurătorile de calibrare nu am invetat-o eu și nici cei care sustin argumentat rezultatele acesteia. O folosesc producătorii de display-uri la conceperea prototipurilor, o folosesc unanim coloristii în broadcast si post production, o folosesc toți în cinematografia digitală, o folosesc videografii și fotografii respectabili,  cei din televiziuni...de ce n-ar folosi-o și cinefilii la nivel homeuser? Dacă în audio se investesc mii de euro începand de la căblaraie aurite pana la alimentarea cu surse neintruptibile cu circuit auxiliar, atunci de ce la capitolul imagine nu ar trebui acordat un minim de atenție? Pentru ce s-au afiliat toți producătorii de tv (cei consacrati bineînțeles) forurilor gen ISF si SpectraCal, lăsând active în meniul avansat peste 80-90 controale independente de setare a parametrilor imagini? Este de apreciat cineva care înaintea achiziției televizorului se informează. Tot mai mulți utilizatori de oled afla despre calibrare și toate atributele auxiliare obținerii unei imagini corecte pe display. Acest curent vine din vest, din SUA si UK. Aici nu mai e vorba de un ronghi de tv cu potențial de 2 lei și preț de 3, aici e vorba de rafinament și pasiune, de maximizare a potențialului deja existent, de șlefuire a caracteristicilor bine implementate. Vechii iubitori ai plasmelor au murit odată cu ele? Nu cred! Si daca da, renaște o tânăra generație, posesorii de OLED!
PS! Pentru cei care mai cred în minuni făcute ochiometric și setări copiate, le atașez o poza din meniul oled-ului Sony proaspăt calibrat!

Edited by Calin_fdx, 15 August 2017 - 15:29.

Explicația gamei sau EOTF din meniul Sony e cel puțin hilara

Sommerby, on 15 august 2017 - 06:30, said:

Vaiii ce oameni raiiii...Sa nu spuna cum sa calibrezi oliedul pe care il ai....Vezi ca in Anglia ,poti contacta o gramada de calibratori profesionisti care sa-ti spuna cum sa-ti calibrezi oliedul. Moca.

https://www.avforums...esults.2115251/

Din nou QLED si-a luat "mumu"(ca sa parafrazam un distins coleg; mai nou am văzut ca-si și denumesc ceva modele "MU") de la OLED.
Și de la Philips pe deasupra.
Din nou, nici aici vreo surpriza  (pentru cei care și gândesc, desigur).

Edited by AndreiNR, 16 August 2017 - 09:10.

AndreiNR, on 16 august 2017 - 09:03, said:

Ce faci, heitărești QLED-ul?

Edited by Jean-Luc_Picard, 16 August 2017 - 12:49.

AndreiNR, on 16 august 2017 - 09:03, said:

Bine, sunt comentarii ca ala a fost un eveniment regizat de Philips, ca n-au ales concurentul care trebuie pentru ca acel qled e la un pret fabulos.
Amuzante comentariile ,,peruvian forums" https://www.avforums...2#post-25286591
E ceva hatereala si pe acolo...