Tancuri si alte tipuri de masini de lupta

nu e tanc dar tot masina de lupta e...si tot de la rusi vine :
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...destul de scary,trebuie sa recunoastem!

Aseara pe Viasat History am vazut un documentar despre niste tipi care colectionau si restaurau tancuri. In episodul de ieri era vb de un Panther scos in 1990 din albia uni rau de pe frontul de est.  Ce mi-a atras atentia la acest episod a fost ipoteza cum ca multe din probleme tehnice ale Pantherelor, Tigerelor se datorau unor sabotaje. S-au descoperit ca unele suruburi nu erau stranse foarte bine, s-au descoperi chistoace in filtrele de ulei si prin alte piese ale motorului. Existau si niste relatari cum ca la unele roti dintate, era rupt un dinte dupa care era lipit (estetic la loc).

Tinand cont ca in fabricile germane lucrau milioane de prizonieri si ca problemele tehnice ale noilor tancuri erau destul de frecvente la care mai adaugam unele urme de sabotaj (evidente sau doar relatate) tind sa cred ca si acest factor a influentat soarta razboiului.

On 10th May the French troops headed for Belgium being attacked by the Germans. They were moving during night and reached Gembloux on 13th May. Their mission was to block the German advance to allow other French and English troops to establish a defensive position between the Dyle and the Meuse. The area is favorable to the tanks, therefore to the ennemy whose tanks are more numerous. The French used the Bruxelles-Namur railroad and the cities of Gembloux and Ernage to anchor the defences.

The first contact between French and German tanks took place in Hannut on 12th May 1940.

The French cavalry Corps, with its 8 Somua S-35 squadrons (13e and 29e Dragons in the 2e DLM, 1er et 2e Cuirassiers in the 3e DLM) had to delay the German XVI. Panzerkorps. The infantry (Dragons portés) was organized into strongpoints, the tanks were deployed on the rear, ready to counter-attack between the infantry positions. On 12th May 1940 the Hannut area (3e DLM) is attacked by the Panzer Gruppe Eberbach. The German tanks reach the center of the town. A first counter-attack is led by the Hotchkiss tanks of Capitaine Sainte-Marie Perrin : 11 French tanks and 5 German tanks are destroyed. The 9 other Hotchkiss are ordered to retreat.

In Crehen the Sous-Lieutenant Lotsisky and his Somuas destroyed 4 Panzers, 1 gun battery and several trucks.

In Thisne, despite heavy losses the French troops destroyed the Befehlspanzer of Lt Col Eberbach who will later be Kommandeur of the 4.PzD.

Colonel Du Vigier then launched the Somua squadron of Capitaine Beaufort into action. The Germans sustained heavy losses and were forced to retreat. General Hoeppner (XVI.PzK) had been amazed by the efficiency of the Somua S-35 in comparison to the Hotchkiss tanks, it was the first time the German encountered French tanks. During the 12-13th May night General Hoeppner gave the orders to engage all the Hotchkiss tanks but to avoid combat with the Somua S-35s if not at close range because the French 47mm SA35 gun was too dangerous at medium/long range.

On 13th May, at the beginning of the afternoon the 2e Esc/1er Cuirassier from Capitaine Ameil is launched in an attack against the 4.PzD positions. The Somuas stopped at 800m of the German positions, all the German tanks were crowded in a forest edge. The 4 Somua S-35 platoons opened fire and slaughtered the German Panzers (about 60% of the 4.PzD was composed of PzI and PzII). The 4.PzD could not deploy as it was programmed and the 3.PzD had to be engaged to outflank the 2e Esc/1er Cuirassier but it encountered the Somua S-35 squadron of the 1e Esc/1er Cuirassier (Lieutenant Mazeran), perfectly embossed and engaging the flank of the Germans. About 50 German tanks were destroyed or partially disabled but the French position was finally taken because the Somuas had no ammunitions anymore. Only one platoon (Lieutenant Racine) managed to retreat and 29 impacts of 20mm and 37mm shells were numbered on his tank.

From the 42 Somuas of the 1er Cuirassier, only 16 were still operational on the 13th May evening, all covered with impacts.

Gembloux in Belgium saw the engagement between 376 French tanks (2nd and 3rd DLM = Division légère mécanique) and 664 German tanks (XVI. Pz Korps). It is the fisrt big tank battle of WW2. The French lines are also reinforced by the 1st and 15th DIM (General Juin).
On 14th May 500 German tanks attacked the positions of the 2 infantry divisions but the attack remained inefficient despite the large use of artillery and the support of the Luftwaffe.
About 60 German tanks were destroyed by the French field artillery (grossly half of the 35. Pz Rgt). Two French companies are totally destroyed in Ernage. From the 700 men of the 7th RTM only 74 are still alive on 16th May. The front didn't collapse but the losses are really heavy. At Gembloux it is a Pyrrhus victory for the French but the German pierced the lines in an other area. The mobility and tactics of the Germans almost systematically resulted in concentration of firepower and local superiority in the objective area.

LOSSES IN GEMBLOUX :
- 105 tanks on the French side
- 165 tanks on the German side

Germans never attacked with less than Panzer battalion's strength (so about 80 Panzers including 10 PzIII and 6 PzIV) against squadron strength strongpoints (20 French tanks either Hotchkiss or SOMUA). The reason is simple : tactical regulation (French officers latter admitted that they were surprised by the German tank concentration) and transmissions (lots of radio vs few radios, the classical 1940 tank stuff).

Then you have to know that apart from the officers, the tank commanders were reservists that actually did their military service on horses ! They had fired a few shells at Suippes and now, they were facing a fload of German panzers ! (It is still amazing that they did not run away at this glance). To actually hit a Panzer with the one-man turret would prove to be difficult : panzers were fast, training insufficient ... But on the German side, the situation was not very good as well : apart from the 75mm gun (PzIV), no German shell could pierce the Somua S35 and the Hotchkiss (and even not talking about the B1bis not present in this battle) at a cumfortable range, they had to move to close range. Also German tankers went to duel the French Somuas at long range (around 800 to 1000 m) with both sides using too many rounds for nothing but the 47mm gun of the Somua was able to destroy the German tanks at longer range.
Even counterattacks by 10 SOMUAs were viewed as critical on the German side ! The French would trade tanks for time.

When coming to the reason of French losses, a high proportion of Hotchkiss were destroyed by gun fire but for SOMUAs, a significant proportion were lost due to drivers errors or mechanical breakdowns.
In tank battle, the one that hold the ground in the end has a tremendous advantage. Belgian civilians still remember that after the battle, German field workshops would work during the night to repair.

Rusii anunta ca scot pe piata un nou tanc

Fortele terestre ale Federatiei Ruse se vor dota, dupa 2010, cu tancuri de ultima generatie, mult superioare principalului tanc de lupta T-90, a declarat un oficial al Guvernului pentru Ria Novosti. In prezent, armata rusa are 25.000 de tancuri, dar, dintre acestea, doar 30% sunt moderne (T-80 si T-90) si chiar si acestea necesita imbunatatiri in privinta armurii, armamentului si sistemelor electronice. "T-90 va ramane principalul tanc pana in 2025. Tancurile T-72 si T-80 nu vor mai fi modernizate, ci vor fi inlocuite cu tancuri de noua generatie, care urmeaza sa intre in serviciu din 2010", a declarat Sergei Mayev, seful Serviciului Federal pentru Contracte al Apararii (Rosoboronzakaz). Potrivit specialistilor, noile tancuri vor fi superioare lui T-90 in privinta puterii de foc, manevrabilitatii, sistemelor electronice si armurii. Astfel, viteza va creste de la 30-50 de kilometri pe ora, la 50-65 si, potrivit unor surse, tunul va fi unul cu teava lisa de calibrul 152 mm, capabil sa loveasca tinte aflate la 6.000-7.000 de metri. In comparatie, T-90 este echipat cu un tun de calibrul 125 mm care lanseaza proiectile la o distanta de 4.000 de metri.
Desi oficialul nu a precizat care va fi viitorul tanc, de cativa ani se stie ca se lucreaza, in paralel, la doua proiecte. Primul este Chiorny Oriol (Vulturul Negru), realizat de KBTM Omsk, dupa modelul T-80UM, iar celalalt este T-95 de la Uralvagonzavod, Nizhny Tagil. Foarte probabil, ambele vor fi fara turele comandate manual, cu echipajul intr-un singur compartiment al cutiei blindate, de unde pot manevra turela de la distanta. Sistemul automat de incarcare poate trage munitia mai rapid si intr-o cantitate mai mare decat un incarcator uman. Depozitarea munitiei se poate face mult mai eficient, avand in vedere ca nu este nevoie de spatiu pentru echipaj, in turela.
Potrivit publicatiei "Observatorul Militar", tancul T 90S este ultima varianta a "T-urilor" rusesti. Acesta este fabricat la Nizhnyi Tagil si se gaseste in serviciul armatelor ruse si indiene. Sistemul de armament este considerat foarte performant, tancul dispunand de un tun de 125 mm cu stabilizare giroscopica pe doua planuri si cu posibilitati de telemetrare si detectie de inalta calitate. De asemenea, tancul folosette tipuri de munitii la care tubul cartus este eliminat in afara turelei, echipajul fiind protejat impotriva noxelor.
Caracteristicile tehnico-tactice ale lui T-90:
Echipaj - 3
Greutate - 46, 5 tone
Motor - 1.100 CP
Capacitate rezervoare - 1.600 litri
Armament
Tun - 125 mm 2A46 m
Mitraliera coaxiala - 7,62 mm PKT
Mitraliera AA - 12,7 mm NSVT-12,7 AD
Pusti de asalt - 5,45 mm AKS-74
Sistem de autoprotectie I - Sistem 3 UBK
14 cu munitie de tip 9M119
Sistem de autoprotectie II - Sistem 3 UBK
20 cu munitie de tip 9M119
Distanta de tragere - pana la 4.000 m
Munitie
Tun - 43 lovituri
Mtr. 7,62 mm - 2.000 cartuse
NSVT-12.7 mm - 300 cartuse
AKS-74 - 300 cartuse
Stabilizator armament - 2E42-4
Statii UHF R-163-504
Raza de actiune: pe sosea - 650 km, in teren variat, -
500 km

Da, e vorba de cativa ani ca rusii vor scoate un tanc nou. Vulturul Negru e un tanc totusi clasic, cu echipaj in turela, dar despre T 95 se tot vorbeste ca ar avea echipajul complet coborat in cutia blindata. Americanii si suedezii studiaza si ei astfel de prototipuri, dar se pare ca rusii sunt primii care il vor avea in productie de serie. Sunt chiar curios sa vad cum arata, si ce caracteristici va avea   ( probabil va trage tot proiectile racheta )

Aceasta jucarie suedeza este excelenta pentru operatiuni defensive (principalul scop), te bagi frumos in boscheti si nu te vede nimeni.
Vad ca rusii sunt pusi pe fapte mari....americanii oare au si ei ceva de gand s-au se mai plimba inca 10 ani cu "tintele lor mobile"...

Rușii tac și fac! Și cel puțin în materie de blindate, fac din ce în ce mai bine...
Multă lume confundă Black Eagle cu T95...chiar și pe net apar multe imagini cu primul ca fiind T95...
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Cât despre suedezi, ei au deja în exploatare un tanc fără turelă, așanumitul S-Tank, o mașinărie foarte interesantă și eficientă - am văzut un documentar pe Discovery...impresionant!

Iată o poză cu interiorul acestui S-Tank:

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Imi plac la nebunie tancurile, dar, preferatele mele sunt cele din WW2, in special T34 si Tiger. Din cele moderne imi plac M1 Abrams si  al nostru TR 85 M1 Bizonul.
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