Probleme spinoase din istoria românilor

avenirv, on 04 decembrie 2018 - 22:54, said:

asta de unde ai scos-o?

avenirv, on 04 decembrie 2018 - 22:54, said:

de unde pana unde?
In textul medieval al lui Carol d'Anjou, de la 1332, e pomenit cam asa:
„Basarab, filium Thocomerii, scismaticum, infidelis Olahus Nostris”
Thocomerii e pocirea unui nume, care nici macar nu stim cum suna in original.

Faptul ca Basarab poate fi nume turcesc, e ca si cu Asan.
Fratii lui Asan erau Petru si Ion(Ioannitsa, Kaloian).
2 frati au nume crestine, unul are nume sa-i zicem turcesc.

Tragi din asta concluzia ca Asanestii erau turci?

avenirv, on 04 decembrie 2018 - 22:54, said:

Fiindca in sudul Transilvaniei prin sec XI dominau pecenegii,
iar inceput de sec XIII in Moldova, Basarabia, Muntenia dominau cumanii
iar ungurii au inceput supunerea cumanilor prin religie,
prin misionarismul calugarilor dominicani.

Vlahii apar din sudul Dunarii si ii supun pe cumani.
Pur si simplu cumanii din Moldova si Muntenia sunt haliti
ca si ceilalti turcici, precum pecenegii si uzii.

Sa  nu uitam, ca ceangaii, probabil la origine turcici (pecenegi, cumani, uzi)
au fost asimilati atat de unguri cat si de olahi.

Cand cobori pe Trotus la vale cam toti sunt astazi romani.

Edited by enough1453, 05 December 2018 - 00:59.

enough1453, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 00:57, said:

stii ca si bulgarii originali erau tot turchici....
dar fiecare este liber sa creada ce vrea.
acum ai dat apa la moara celor care spun ca romanii au venit din sud. continua asa...

avenirv, on 04 decembrie 2018 - 22:54, said:

Nu

avenirv, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 09:29, said:

dar la 1200 nu mai erau
iar vlahii nu au fost niciodată

Basar aba = tata puternic în cumana si zici ca nu era cuman ?

avenirv, on 04 decembrie 2018 - 22:54, said:

Erau cam departe în timp.
În plus la momentul cuceririi cam era doar o cetate.

Între timp pe la noi trecuseră vreo 5-6 năvăliri din alea.

Ideea acolo e că deși Georgia a avut domnii mai stabile, în final au relalizat mai puțin decât noi.
De ce ? Pentru că dacă te tropotesc toți sălbaticii, starea internă nu te prea ajută.

Morosanul, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 11:54, said:

Penibil. Nici macar nu te obosesti sa arunci o privire in Wiki, dar spui hatarit NU

The name is likely of Cuman or Pecheneg Turkic origin and most likely meant "father ruler".
Basar was the present participle of the verb "to rule", derivatives attested in both old and modern Kypchak languages.

The Romanian historian Nicolae Iorga believed the second part of the name, -aba ("father"), to be an honorary title, as recognizable in many Cuman names, such as Terteroba, Arslanapa, and Ursoba.
Basarab's father Thocomerius also bore an allegedly Cuman name, identified as Toq-tämir, a rather common Cuman and Tatar name in the 13th century. The Russian chronicles around 1295 refer to a Toktomer, a prince of the Mongol Empire present in Crimea.

The Cuman or Pecheneg origin of the name is, however, only a conjecture and a matter of dispute among historians.
Contemporaries constantly identified Basarab as a Vlach (pai se putea altfel?)
Charles I of Hungary speaks of him as Bazarab infidelis Olacus noster ("Bazarab, our treacherous Vlach").

Normal, eras ciónducatorul vlahilor, dar nu are dea face cu originea

Cornel_P, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 12:03, said:

Nu măi, da zic că ești tu turc

Stefanos = gr. coroană  -> Ștefan era grec ?
Mikael = Hebrew mīkhā'ē'l (Who is like God?)  -> Mihai era evreu ?

WestPoint, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 12:16, said:

dansul este patriot. dar sustine ca romanii au venit din sudul dunarii.
asa o fi !

si apoi, cine e Iorga !?
de asemenea s-a dovedit prin analiza DNA ca basarab a fost roman si crestin ortodox.

Morosanul, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 12:06, said:

turcaletii au aparut pe la 1076 si i-au batut pe bizantini la manzikert sau malazkirt.
s-a spus pe aici ca navalitorii au venit pe la noi.
nu am negat dar am aratat ca cei ce au desavarsit treaba au venit direct prin est si dupa 300 de ani au reusit sa cucereasca. cand au venit turcaletii, bizantul era THE cetate.
daca vrei iti trimit niste carti sau mergem cu masina.

Edited by avenirv, 05 December 2018 - 14:11.

Mda, The Cetate, dar nu mai era demult the imperiu, cu care se luptasera alea alte 5 neamuri de turcaleti

Cornel_P, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 12:03, said:

Nu zice el, zic contemporanii că era vlah. Și contemporanii sunt unanimi. Doar "- pații" din epoca modernă suferă de cumani, bulaci și alți cai verzi pe neuron.

Vlah poate insemna si pastor .

Cornel_P, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 15:17, said:

bozgor  insemna "om fara de tara" (adica nomad).

Il chema Basarab fiindca vlahii de atunci isi botezau copiii cu numele provenind de la alte etnii.
Un pic precum procedeaza astazi rromii ce-si cheama odraslele: Cristiano Ronaldo si Messi.

De fapt îl chema Ivanco.

elcrom, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 20:20, said:

sau Ion (Johannes, etc).

Johannis ?

Cornel_P, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 15:17, said:

Inseamna  un singur lucru:

The Russian hydronym Volga (Волга) derives from Proto-Slavic *vòlga "wetness, moisture", which is preserved in many Slavic languages, including Ukrainian volóha (воло́га) "moisture", Russian vlaga (влага) "moisture", Bulgarian vlaga (влага) "moisture", Czech vláha "dampness", Serbian vlaga (влага ) "moisture", Croatian vlaga "moisture" and Slovene vlaga "moisture" among others.[3]
The Slavic name is a loan translation of earlier Scythian Rā (Ῥᾶ) "Volga",[4] literally "wetness", cognate with Avestan Raŋhā "mythical stream" (also compare the derivation Sogdian r’k "vein, blood vessel" (*raha-ka),[5] Persian رگ rag "vein"[6]) and Vedic Sanskrit rasā́ (रसा) "dew, liquid, juice; mythical river".[7] The Scythian name survives in modern Mordvin Rav (Рав) "Volga".
The Turkic peoples living along the river formerly referred to it as Itil or Atil "big river". In modern Turkic languages, the Volga is known as İdel (Идел) in Tatar, Атăл (Atăl) in Chuvash, Idhel in Bashkir, Edil in Kazakh, and İdil in Turkish. The Turkic peoples associated the Itil's origin with the Kama. Thus, a left tributary to the Kama was named the Aq Itil "White Itil" which unites with the Kara Itil "Black Itil" at the modern city of Ufa. The name Indyl (Indɨl) is used in Adyge (Cherkess) language.
Among Asians,[clarification needed] the river was known by its other Turkic name Sarı-su "yellow water", but the Oirats also used their own name, Ijil mörön or "adaptation river". Presently the Mari, another Uralic group, call the river Jul (Юл), meaning "way" in Tatar. Formerly, they called the river Volgydo, a borrowing from Old East Slavic.

De acolo si numele Volohovenilor /bolohovenilor, Volyniei /Volkyniei, ...

Etymology
The word Balkan comes from Ottoman Turkish balkan 'chain of wooded mountains';[3][4] related words are also found in other Turkic languages.[5] The origin of the Turkic word is obscure; it may be related to Persian bālk 'mud', and the Turkish suffix an 'swampy forest'[6] or Persian balā-khāna 'big high house'.[7]

The Balkars (Karachay-Balkar: Малкъарлыла, таулула Malqarlıla, tawlula) are a Turkic people of the Caucasus region, one of the titular populations of Kabardino-Balkaria. Their Karachay-Balkar language is of the Ponto-Caspian subgroup of the Northwestern (Kipchak) group of Turkic languages.

Bulgars.

Balkan Region
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Balkan Region (Turkmen: Balkan welaýaty, Балкан велаяты, بلقان ولايتى) is one of the regions of Turkmenistan. It is in the far west of the country, bordering Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, the Caspian Sea, and Iran. Its capital is Balkanabat, formerly known as Nebit Dag. Balkan is Turkish for "Wooded mountain". It has an area of 139,270 square kilometers and a population of approximately 553,500 people (2005 est.).[1] Its population density of 3.3 persons per square kilometer is the lowest in Turkmenistan.

There is a large monument on the far eastern side of the city called "Monument to the Desert Explorers" which depicts a camel and several men struggling to walk through the windy desert of Karakum.[2] Nebit Dag was renamed to Balkanabad (Balkan from the name of the Balkan mountains, abad – city) in 2001 by the decree of former President of Turkmenistan Saparmurat Niyazov.

Balkan Mountains – Great and Small Balkhan Ranges in Balkan Province, near the Caspian Sea (Turkmen: Balkan daglary)

Uly Balkan
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The Uly Balkan, also known as the Great Balkan Range is a mountain range in Turkmenistan.[1] The highest summit is Mount Arlan at 1,880 metres (6,170 ft).

Adică VLAH inseamna sedentar, traitor pe langa locurile umede cu apa, de acolo vine si numele bulgarilor, in timp ce DAC = muntean /dag, iar Get iarasi similar cu Vlah in armeana insemnand râu, adica tot bolohovean.

Morosanul, on 05 decembrie 2018 - 14:15, said:

la 1076 bizantul era maaaare imperiu....