10 000 eur subventie pt automobilele electrice

Prin linkul de mai sus nu ma contrazici, mai mult imi confirmi spusele.
Uita-te cu atentie la schema, in special la DC Inverter Control Circuitry
Curetul alternativ este redresat de punte in DC. Aici curentul electric continuu (DC) alimenteaza asa-zisul invertor. Absolut corect pana aici.
Invertorul transforma curentul DC in curent alternativ, adica AC.
OK, dar motorul se numeste DC brushless motor. Pai ori este DC brushless, ori este AC? Dupa schema, daca ala este inverter, ala nu este motor DC.
Conform definitiei pieselor de acolo, DC Inverter Control Circuitry ar trebui sa se numeasca simplu DC Control Circuitry, iar motorul DC brushless.
Eu asta am spus de la inceput. Invertorul de acolo nu este invertor, ci DC Control Circuitry si este parte componenta a motorului DC brushless. Daca este invertor, atunci motorul trebuie sa fie de tipul AC cu inductie.

Cu ce ma contrazici, ca nu inteleg foarte bine? Fa enuntul cu cuvintele tale, dupa care da-mi linkul, te rog
Uite, te rog sa raspunzi la urm intrebari:
1. Dupa parerea ta si dupa schema din link, unde incepe invertorul si unde incepe motorul?
2. Motorul este de tip DC brushless, precum spune in link sau nu? Daca nu, de care este?

P.S. Fix la fel trebuie sa arate si sistemul Tesla Model 3. Ca sunt AC-uri cu motoare cu inductie si DC brushless, nu stiu, nu ma pricep. N-am vazut niciodata unul

 Hansolo, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 18:00, said:

Invertorul este un tip de convertor, asa este. Insa in linkul tau convertorul se numeste parte care redreseaza si filtreaza curentul, adica cel care transforma AC in DC. E din nou corect.

Insa eu sustin ca termenul de inverter este incompatibil cu denumirea de DC brushless motor. Ca chestia aia care ii zici inverter functioneaza ca un inverter, este alta treaba...
Insa vad ca termenul este folosit pe scara larga, asa ca nu-l mai consider gresit

Edited by valitudor, 23 September 2017 - 18:34.

Inverterul e ala care din CC alimenteaza prin tranzistori cele 3 faze ale motorului (tranzistorii T1..T6 din poza pusa anterior).
Motorul se numeste BLDC https://en.wikipedia..._electric_motor
Eu la asta spuneam ca e putin discutabil, motorul ala are 3 faze la stator, poate fi vazut ca AC sau DC comutat dar denumirea incetatenita e BLDC.
La fel sunt si motoarele auto in general, la link-ul de mai sus spune
Brushless motors are found in electric vehicles, hybrid vehicles and personal transporters, which are in essence AC synchronous motors with permanent magnet rotors.

Edited by Hansolo, 23 September 2017 - 18:55.

 robylup, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 11:18, said:

M-am uitat la maxx-volts dar vad ca fabrica doar incarcatoare pentru masini, tu spuneai de conversie la plugin

 dan_padure, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 18:56, said:

Pai si plug.in e un hibrid cu incarcare. Exista chitul complet la maxx pt conectare direct pe baterie. O mufa se scoate pe "polita"de la luneta, acolo se conecteaza incarcarcatorul. Incarcatorul il conectezi la un tranformator 110v la 220v, tranformatorul la priza. Bateria mea se incarca doar prin franare regenerativa. Cu maxx volts pot sa o incarc si mai ales sa echilibrez celulele la "priza".

Atasez descrierea lor:
2006-2011 Honda Civic Hybrid

Advanced Programmable Charger Model

IMA Battery Pack Home/Work Charging System

w/ IMA battery cooling fan control!

** May help ELIMINATE OBD-II Diagnostic Trouble Codes: POA7F P1600 P1433**

**May help turn off your IMA light and allow ASSIST and REGEN**

**May help turn off RED battery trouble light and allow IMA battery to feed power to your 12v battery again**


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What is a MAXX VOLTS charging system and why to I need it?
The unique high voltage charging system we offer has been designed to serve the market of Honda owners who invested in Hybrid automobiles with the idea that the high MPG fuel efficiency of this 51mpg hwy rated vehicle (civic)  would save a lot of money in fuel costs over time. Whether you bought your Honda new or used, you probably realized as time passed, or in case of buying a used one that the mpgs started to drop over time. The car started charging itself more often which loads up the engine and drags down fuel efficiency.

The NiMH battery packs in the Honda Insight Hybrid vehicles consist of 120-132 individual battery cells robotically welded in series consisting of many sticks of welded batteries each. Through the battery pack, electricity travels end to end + to - until it runs through each of the 120-132 nickel metal hydride battery cells where the total voltage ends up in the 144-190 volts range depending on the state of charge of the pack and its overall battery health, year/make/model. Now the Honda IMA system does a fairly good job managing the charging and usage of this electricity but it the pack as a whole unit but does not have the capability to manage each individual of the 120-132 battery cells individually. Over time these batteries can become out of sync with one another with slight voltage and internal resistance differences. This will reduce the range of effective useable area the IMA system has to operate in between charging and discharging (ASSIST) power. 

What our charging system will do is give the end user the ability to charge their IMA battery pack at home or the office via the standard USA 110v AC plug you would have in your home. This ability to override the IMA system telling the vehicle when to start and stop charging the battery pack will allow you to fully charge the pack without the IMA computer playing referee. 

How will this home charging of the IMA battery pack help me?
Our home charging system will allow the end user not only to charge their pack, but also to BALANCE their NiMH Honda battery pack. In most cases this will eliminate the IMA light, the lack of the cars ability to assist and regenerate power to the battery pack. It may help keep off IMA lights and may help you to pass smog inspections.

What is balancing a pack?
The Maxx Volts Charger system allows you to charge your battery pack. This will allow the charger not only to fill, but also to soak charge the weaker cells within the pack. Balancing a pack is bringing all of the 120-132 individual cells within the same voltage as one another so that their charge and discharge energy levels are as close as possible to one another.

How do I charge the weaker cells?
Charging at a safe charging current (with our Maxx Volts Charger), until the stronger cells with the highest voltage reach capacity, they will transfer any additional energy into a few degrees of heat that is exhausted by our IMA fan support, while the weaker, lower voltage cells "catch  up" and continue rising in voltage.

What trouble codes may the MAXX VOLTS CHARGER help eliminate?

P1447/P1449/P1600 diagnostic trouble codes from the OBD II scan port are the typical codes that our system may help to eliminate with MAXX VOLTS charging system. Each battery has a different history and condition however and you must to start with a battery that is salvageable and not beyond repair in order for the process to be effective.

How will I know when my battery is charged?
Our Maxx Volts charger has a built in voltage and amperage current display. We will provide baseline figures for you to look out for and what to expect when reaching a full charge. This information will be contained in the year/make/model general use instructions we provide for your particular vehicle within your package.

How often should I charge the pack?
This will depend on a number of factors including the overall condition of the pack, the climate and mileage, usage of the car and factors such as the internal resistance of the cells., Our customers have used our chargers anywhere from every few months to weekly as a maintenance charger  to keep the pack balanced.

Why wouldn’t  I  just buy a new battery from Honda instead of the MAXX VOLTS charger?

Honda doesn’t  sell new hybrid batteries for any NiMH packs. For an average of about $3200.00, they will sell you a “refurbished unit” and gladly take your existing pack to refurbish and sell to someone else. In the end you will be out the money spent and still have a used/refurb battery pack that usually continue to fail in a short amount of time. Panasonic made the original hybrid batteries and they no longer make these cells so they are not available as new. So for a fraction of that cost you can have a personalized MAXX VOLTS charger to command at your will to take a charge, balance the high end of your battery pack and potentially have a good working car again without the IMA lights and with improved MPGs again.

There are more than one charger on the market, how is yours different from the others?
There are various chargers in the marketplace, but none as feature rich, available for purchase to the general public and proudly built in the USA clearly demonstrating our quality, attention to detail and how well thought out our systems are.  Just like you, we actually own and drive these every day. We currently own 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 Honda Civic Hybrids, 2001, 2003 Honda Insights, 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid, 2003, 2004, 2005 Honda Civic Hybrids at this time. So what this means is that every unit built has been thoroughly FIT and TESTED through quality control we can apply while fitting these systems to an actual car and not a "jig".

There are a number of inferior knockoff "chargers" around using cheap chinese Meanwell power supplies, however we have thoroughly tested those and they did not meet our stringent quality standards. An overview the features and benefits of our system below will allow you to decide who is building a quality engineered and well thought out unit at a reasonable price.

Some Specifications on our Advanced Programmable Maxx Volts Charger:

v  - Programmable DIGITAL 24hr timer with AM/PM clock and internal battery backup!
-Internal clock battery does not depend on being plugged in!
-Easy to understand AM/PM clock with programmable ON time and off times - no math or guesswork required. You set it for start and stop times based on a 24hr clock.
-Able to be used as a SOAK charger for up to 23:59 hrs for initial recovery of a low voltage battery
-1 minute resolution. Start and stop charging times in 1 minute resolution.

v Built in DIGITAL LED VOLTMETER!
- No guesswork or dangerous poking or prodding of high voltage electrical terminals with a crappy voltmeter to try and figure out the state of your battery charge/volts.

v  Built in DIGITAL CURRENT AMPERAGE METER!
- Allows you to monitor/calculate the energy going into the pack and determine if you have successfully made the proper IMA+ and IMA- connections. Unlike competitor products, you can actually VERIFY that energy is making its way to the IMA battery in real time and real mA measurements!

v  Modular construction with CPC locking connectors.
-The charger and the car's wiring harness uses professional grade connections complete with locking Tyco connectors!
-Clean installation, safe connectors with female port on the harness side for safe use.
-There are NO high voltage wires hanging out of the charger unit to tangle or trip over and no exposed high voltage wires or prongs to accidentally touch together like some cheap knockoffs.

v  Material construction quality and engineering

-Charger high voltage purpose use cables are rated for 600V and not some inferior and potentially dangerous 12v rated automotive wire.

-Battery pack to charger reverse electrical flow protection built into battery harness.
-Positive electricity from battery pack cannot flow from high voltage positive in our wiring harness back to the charger. 
-HV Current can only flow from charger to battery pack, even if the car was started accidentally!
-Connections are soldered, custom printed with wire connection markings, heatshrunk and many connections potted for electrical connection protection.
-MAXX VOLTS charger power cables from car to charger are CPC male twist and lock connection. No loose connections and a securely and surely locking connection that won't pull out.

Strain relief plug ends protects wires from bending, wearing out and pulling out of intermediate cable.

-Brand new power supply cases designed for ventilation and cooling.

-Slow blow arc quenching high voltage fuse at battery connection.

-Internal power supply fuses

 

v  Built in LED quiet cooling fan

-Protects power supplies from overheating.

-Doubles as a visual indicator that the charger is powered on and charging. Even from inside your home you can tell if the charger is on.
-Forget that the charger is still on and ready for a drive? With a LED powered fan in your rearview mirror makes driving off with the charger on and attached virtually impossible.

Significant improvements have been obtained with nearly every NiMH Honda Hybrid battery we have tested and reconditioned but YMMV. You must have a recoverable IMA battery in order to fully benefit from any grid charger’s use. The majority of our customers also report significant improvements when using our charger.  Most clients have a check engine light  before buying a our charger.  With regular grid charging, the check engine light can normally be eliminated and battery life significantly extended.     Some have extended their battery life well over a year or more by using the grid charger.  

Unfortunately, in any one specific case, it is not possible to say for sure how much the charger will help.  The amount of improvement  depends on the condition of your existing battery pack itself. If the cause of the problem is a major physical failure such and internal short or high  internal resistance, the charger cannot help, those failed battery sticks must be replaced. If the problem is the more common nickel metal hydride battery pack imbalance, then our charger is designed to alleviate those issues. We make no guarantees that this product or any external charging system will fix your IMA battery, however more often than not, the charging and balancing of an IMA battery will alleviate many common symptoms of an out of balance hybrid battery.

Under the worst case scenario if you had to replace your hybrid battery, our  grid charger is still an imperative maintenance tool as it can prevent the new hybrid pack from prematurely deteriorating and becoming imbalanced.   Those who have chosen to replace their IMA battery have benefitted from the use of our systems to virtually eliminate the imbalance problem helps contribute to IMA lights and premature battery failures.

Second Generation Honda Civic Hybrid MX 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011  IMA Battery Pack Charging System

The MAXX VOLTS charging system pictured above will include the battery wiring harness for one vehicle make/model complete with reverse polarity protection, the charging port with dustcap and 9 pin upgradable CPC connection, the male to male modular 600v pro wiring harness from charger to port, the charger itself with built in LED cooling fan (fan color may vary from photos- blue, red, yellow, green) and female 9 pin CPC twist and lock connector with dustcap, the built in volt and amperage meter ( meter supports 0-999ma), 110v power cord to wall outlet, manual override power switch, built in PROGRAMMABLE 23:59hr digital timer w/ internal battery and clock w/ 1 min resolution with auto-off.

da, dar tot ce obtii este o incarcare completa a acumulatorului, care nu stiu cat e la Civic, dar la Prius este undeva sub 1KW
Mai importanta este balansarea celulelor ,dar asta este cam altceva

 dan_padure, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 20:41, said:

Si balansare si incarcare face . Chitul complet are charger si discharger. E altceva sa pleci dimineata cu bateria 100% si sa te tina pana la servici, chiar sa ai o repriza de full electric si altceva e sa pleci cu bateria goala si sa ai nevoie de putin cuplu in plus sa nu.l ai.
Oricum, masina care are asa ceva pus acum, intr.un an de echilibrari si incarcari a dus bateria de la 55% capacitate la 83%.
A mea momentan e la 75% dar softul Ima e de cacao si ca sa fac update la soft trebuie sa merg pana in Ungaria.
Daca nu vedeam efectele, eram sceptic, dar asa...

Edited by robylup, 23 September 2017 - 20:49.

n-am mai comentat nimic in legatura cu lista de piese pentru conversie - kit conversie.
#valitudor ce parte nu ai inteles din lista mea?
pana la urma ce trebuie sa pui pe masina ca sa fie electrica?

Care lista, bre?

 valitudor, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 14:32, said:

nu este reala subventia in Romania.
masina are un pret pe poarta fabricii, tu o cumperi cu acelasi pret iar statul te minte ca ti-a dat subventia.
ce sa cheltuie daca nu exista acei bani?
cine a luat subventia in Romania? cine poate demonstra ca a dat mai putin cu 10.000 euro pe masina?
sincer, un moderator ar trebui sa schimbe titlul in :" ESTE REALA SUBVENTIA DE 10.000 EURO?"

 valitudor, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 21:17, said:

CUM CARE?
am scris clar ce contine un kit conversie.
nu l-ai citit? tu ai comentat pe ideea ce inseamna invertor pe Logan.

Edited by deloghi, 23 September 2017 - 21:20.

 robylup, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 20:47, said:

ok, la prius hibrid standard (nu plugin) bateria tine ~2-3km, deci este mica, folosita doar pentru optimizare ICE si blocaje in trafic, semafoare. Nu pentru mers distante mai lungi pe electric

 benis, on 19 septembrie 2017 - 11:07, said:

Și dc crezi că producția e de 1% ? Vreun complot sau pur și simplu asta e cererea ?
Dacă și modifica unul din giganții auto o linie de producție Intr o luna onorează toate precomenzile de la Tesla. Și apoi ce fac ? Se uită la ce fabrica nouă și frumoasă au ? Că de,clienți nu mai sunt...

 dan_padure, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 23:06, said:

Toyota si Honda au sisteme diferite hibrid. Eu nu am luat Honda ca sa merg full electric

Intrati pe site-urile germane sa vedeti cat costa o masina VW electrica la ei. O sa ramaneti surprinsi ca pretul din Romania la care se adauga si subventia este mai mare.
In concluzie Ministerul Mediului nu acorda nici o subventie de 10.000 euro cumparatorului roman.
Interesan este unde se duc acesti bani? Cine este beneficiarul acestor scurgeri de bani?
Este inacceptabil sau chiar dubios cum toti aceia care au cumparat o masina electrica in Romania nu si-au dat seama ca sunt pacaliti.
In concluzie Tesla Model 3 care costa 35.000 euro, este pana la urma mai accesibila decat ce se vinde acum la noi si net superioara.

Dupa ce se lamureste fiecare, fac apel la unul din moderatori sa schimbe titlul actual in:  ESTE REALA SUBVENTIA DE 10.000 EURO ACORDATA DE STATUL ROMAN?

Sper sa vada si sa se convinga si autoritatile de control din Romania. Este mult prea evident si nu exista scuze sau argumente prin care sa se nege ca nu este o frauda.
Toti cei care au achizitionat o hibrida sau full electrica cu aceasta subventie sunt indreptatiti sa ceara lamuriri Ministerului Mediului prin care sa li se demonstreze unde este stipulata suma subventionata in pretul final.
Daca nu primiti raspuns, conform seriei de sasiu intrebati producatorul masinii cat este pretul cu care a iesit de pe rampa de productie.
Era prea frumos sa fie adevarat, mai ales in Romania in care guvernul se lauda ca da cea mai mare subventie din Europa.

Edited by deloghi, 25 September 2017 - 05:57.

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am fost si eu la viena sa ma plimb. fara sa vreau am vazut si parcul auto Tesla.
vor face si in Romania reprezentanta. ei inca refuza sa faca prin intermediar, nu stiu de ce, banuiesc ca este vorba de calificarea celor cu care lucreaza. nu vor sa aibe negativ acum la inceput.

 deloghi, on 25 septembrie 2017 - 05:33, said:

Pai cat costa? Posteaza o poza sau un link, sau macar o cifra.

 deloghi, on 25 septembrie 2017 - 05:33, said:

Tesla Model 3 nici nu s-a lansat inca, nici in SUA, unde s-au livrat doar cateva prototipuri la angajati (pt ca au ales sa nu mai testeze masina ca nu aveau timp??)
Pana o sa apara in Europa o sa mai treaca ceva timp, poate prin 2019 sa discutam de model 3 in europa si pana atunci piata se va schimba mult, eGolf o sa mai aiba 2 generatii etc

 deloghi, on 25 septembrie 2017 - 05:33, said:

Fa o sesizare, o reclamatie.

 robylup, on 25 septembrie 2017 - 18:13, said:

cat de rentabila poate fi o masina de 100.000 euro?
Sigur, cand esti deputat, ca cel din articol, totul e altfel.

 bzalex, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 05:25, said:

nu vreau sa fiu carcotas, dar ceea ce descrii e ilegal.

 djl, on 23 septembrie 2017 - 12:14, said:

Norvegia este unul din marii producatori de petrol, si unul din motivele pt care ofera aceste subventii este ca un fel de compensatie pt poluarea produsa de petrolul forat si exportat, banii de pe petrol fiind folositi pt subventii la electrice.

 inuendo0, on 19 septembrie 2017 - 13:06, said:

cine nu e de acord cu tine, e hater automat, sau habarnist... tu ca nu stii ca deja prin danemarca au inceput sa retraga facilitatile pt electrice nu esti habarnist.
Tu ai electrica? Nu.
Daca o sa ai in 2019 Tesla sa zicem, pana atunci e posibil sa nu mai fie gratis curentul, si nici nu cred ca e normal sa ceri de pomana.
In UK am asistat la trecerea de la incarcatoare gratis la platite, incet incet.
Unii spun ca sint prea saraci pt Tesla, si ii ridiculizezi. Cand tu insa vrei curent gratis, e normal, si cine nu vrea, e prea "avuti"... Ba esti ceva...

 unbrutus, on 26 septembrie 2017 - 19:58, said:

Chiar nu am dus dorul dezinformarilor si minciunilor tale intentionate pe timpul cat ai stat pe tusa. Dar vad ca revii cu aceleasi.
Ai ceva linkuri, declaratii de presa oficiale cu care sa iti sustii afirmatiile? Sau iei raport.

inuendo0, eu il am demult pe unbrutus la ignore, iti recomand sa faci la fel.