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"Nokia 800 Has Overtaken All Phones in the World
I am trying not to transfer my notes from the blog to the Spillikins, but the story is so enthralling, that I could not help repeating myself. Several new details will be added as well. In the previous Spillikins we touched upon low sales of Nokia 800, but during the week conflicting evidence emerged.


Nokia 800 sales boosted by PR

The strongest indication of the popularity enjoyed by Nokia 800 was a photo from an Orange Store in UK accompanied by a commentary that the phone is not available now as all items were sold.


Source: mobiset.ru

Surprisingly, but the photo confirms my ideas from the previous week. A campaign featuring the free XBOX360 turned out to be predictably successful. The question is what will happen with the model without such a support. Only time will tell. So far Nokia is trying hard to project an image of a successful company. Nokia used all measures when Forbes mentioned that sales are weak and WP7 from Nokia faces uncertain future.

Nokia: Will Anyone Buy The Windows-Based Lumia Phones?
The market expected bad news from Nokia and share prices slid down. It is the worst case scenario for the company and its PR had to be clinical in its rehabilitation of Nokia 800.


They only had to cite the article, which mentioned that sales are high and beat all Android solutions together with Apple iPhone. It is sensational! The original article is available here.

An unknown person noticed that in online stores of several carriers Nokia 800 is number one. The conclusion was made that it sells better than other models. This news became very hot and Nokia employees helped the cause (Mark Squires, Comms Director Nokia was one of those who placed the entry in his Twitter account).


I am pretty sure that PR professionals from Nokia know what they are doing. On the other hand they are distracting the attention of consumers from real troubles of Nokia. One of them is an application from Nokia to be delisted from the Frankfurt stock exchange. The official press release mentions that share sales were limited and displayed a downward trend. If the application is approved Nokia will no longer feature on Frankfurt stock exchange in the first half of 2012. Nokia has already left stock exchanges of London, Paris and Stockholm. Its shares can be only bought from the NASDAQ, OMX Helsinki Stock Exchange and NYSE.

What does it mean? The answer is obvious that Nokia is not popular among European investors and is only present at home in Helsinki and in the US where American Depositary Receipts are in use. This news seems uninspiring for consumers, but the stock market was impressed and the share price continued going down. This week will be crucial in determining if Nokia can get at least 5$ for a share or they will break another negative record in its history. You can follow the shares fluctuations here.

I would like to remind you that the market capitalization of Nokia is less than 20 billion dollars, which is a fraction of company’s assets. Nevertheless, it is the market value of the manufacturer. That’s why PR department of Nokia has to be at its best. For example, Nokia proclaimed itself as the leading smartphone manufacturer in China with 28.6% of the market in the 3rd quarter (6.8 million items) against 17.6% from Samsung. There is no point to be proud here, because Nokia was always strong in China. The main point is that until recently Nokia was number one in the world. Now its PR department will have to work hard to prove that. I suggest coming up with the press release mentioning that Nokia is the leader inside its office buildings with Nokia 800 leading the way, because this wonderful model cannot leave people indifferent (remember not to mention that all employees received it for free).

From the startling analysis of Nokia 800 sales by a blogger let’s turn to more serious problems, namely fast battery discharge in the model. For the first time the issue was mentioned in the official Nokia blog when users started complaining that the battery was dead after several hours of use. The original article is available here.

The answer from Nokia was traditional: we had no mass issues, but in December a new update will improve the battery performance with one more to follow in January. It is a carbon copy of the case with Nokia N8, which was hastily thrown onto the market and the number of bugs was overwhelming. Both models have a similar fate. Let’s compare them.

Nokia N8 and Nokia 800 are viewed as flagships. Nokia N8 had to show that Nokia is back and is still going strong. There were no official sales figures released for Nokia N8, because they were shockingly low. N8 was a flop and the average price of Nokia smartphones is much lower than that of its rivals. Moreover the market was attacked by numerous PR tricks, for example third party info about 4 million N8 sold and so on. The same is happening around Nokia 800 now. In the past when Nokia could be indeed proud of itself separate figures were available for successful models. These days no one will mention sales data for Nokia 800 or Nokia N9.

Similarly to N8 we hear that Nokia 800 breaks all preliminary records against the background of positive feedback. The structure of online feedback is similar for both models. It is not logical, but somehow we end up with the same ratio of positive feedback, articles and reviews. I think we are dealing with the PR tricks from Nokia and not the real perception of the phone. We will soon learn the truth if we do not see the true picture." link.

Edited by Papillon_, 11 December 2011 - 21:01.

Stai așa, aici discutăm despre un telefon High END, restul de petarde scoase până în asta, adică eu spun petarde la telefoane pe care le-am cumpărat de la Nokia, că am avut fără număr, acuma N800 nu știu cât este, dar High End nu este pentru omul normal, asta este așa numita clasa Vip.

Nokia 800 e 1900 de lei iar "mega high end-ul" Nokia N9 costa 2200 de lei!

Nokia au fost lideri autoritari pe piata telefoanelor mobile ani buni (mai aveau nitzel pana la monopolizarea pietei). Smecheri si bazati simtindu-se, le-au ras in nas la toti competitorii, ei erau zmeii zmeilor, singuri impotriva tuturor, cu symbian & shit, tunau si fulgerau in toate statisticile.
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Pana cand a aparut android si aifon.
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RIP Nokia

Am avut multi ani Nokia cu Symbian OS. Cand au aparut telefoanele cu android am cumparat un Boston(Gygabite) de la orange. Ai mult mai multe posibilitati de personalizare, resoftare ... plus o groaza de aplicatii si jocuri free sau ... , gps pe care poti instala diverse softuri de navigare, harti , ... .
Au ramas mult in urma daca un android-phone  entry-level le da clasa smartphone-urilor lor.
Si , daca nu vor veni cu idei inovatoare, vor aluneca tot mai in jos.

Edited by Pekiasan, 19 December 2011 - 00:08.

Altă chestie extrem de enervantă la noile telefoane "Nokia": dacă nu le pui un anume încărcător, nu vor să înacrce acumulatorul; sau dacă iei bateria de la un alt telefon "riști" să nu ți-o încarce.
Exemple:
1) La al meu C1-01 dacă îi pun bateria (mai bine zis acumulatorul) de la 1208 (căruia am reușit să-i sparg displya-ul (ecranul)) nu mi-o încarcă. Îmi zice ceva de genul "încărcător neacceptat";
2) O cunoștiință mea a primit de la servici un E52 (nu vă gândiți că lucrează undeva unde câștigă 1000 euro pe lună ). La telefon are și un adaptor de la mufă jack (mare și mică) la micro U.S.B. A încercat într-o zi să pună un încărcător de la 1100 la adaptorul ăla ca să încarce E52-ul. Nu a mers.
3) Un cunoscut a încercat să pună la nu știu ce model de "Nokia" un încărcător U.S.B. de la un I-Phone. Nu încărca. A mers însă în schimb cu unul de "L.G."!

 MrNeo, on 7th December 2011, 15:24, said:

Ce naiba ati vazut la androidu ala nu stiu, atat il ridicati toti in slavi de parca iti tine si de casa, si de masa, si de aer si de femeie   Eu unu prefer symbian decat android, macar nu trebuie sa stau sa instalez pentru orice rahat cate o aplicatie, iar jocurile sunt chiar tapite, poate pe unu de 10-15 ani sa-l vrajeasca...
Ziceau cativa inainte ca 5800, 5230, C5-03 sunt praf.. Ce nu au telefoanele alea ?? 5800 si 5230 poate au procesorul cam slabut (totusi sunt modele mai vechi), dar camera este foarte buna, filmarea la 30fps, buton camera, recorder foarte bun, iar C5-03 se misca foarte bine prin meniu, cat despre ecranul rezistiv...macar merge folosit cu manusi sau de o fata care are unghii.
Da, e adevarat, unele telefoane Nokia sunt proaste (in special cele low-end au inceput sa fie sub orice critica), altele sunt mai de calitate, dar asta nu inseamna ca Nokia face petarde.
Parca v-au spalat creierele astia cu androidu lor, android in sus, android in jos, intri pe forum...toti lauda androidul, dai drumul la tv...i-ati un smartphone cu android la numai x lei, iesi in oras...afise peste tot cu smartphone-uri cu android, intri intr-un magazin gsm...duduia iti recomanda un telefon cu android, mai am sa aud "n-ai android, nu existi" asta ar fi bomboana de pe coliva.

Iar @djl, e posibil sa nu iti mearga deoarece C1 are baterie BL-5CB, iar 1208 are BL-5CA.

Cine te opreste sa lauzi symbian ?  

In Nokia E63-ul meu orice tip de casti in afara de Nokia nu vrea sa le accepte [ Accesoriu neacceptat ]. Cu casti LG, de la carrefour de 4 lei, real de 9 lei, de prin casa. Nimic. Accesoriu neacceptat. Pana si Iphone-ul le supporta [ care e un telefon destul de limitat in multe privinte pentru unii, pentru mine nu. Eu nu trimit fisiere prin Bluetooth, nu imi pun ringtone-uri cu manele sau alte melodii ].
Android-ul iti ofera o libertate totala, support mare [ asta depinde de device-ul cumparat ] e interesant dar in timp poti da de belele.

 Loox, on 8th December 2011, 21:04, said:

tu chiar vorbesti serios ?  am eu un galaxy , facem testul ?

 funiest, on 13th January 2012, 03:14, said:

Mie, E63-ul imi accepta o pereche de casti in-ear sennheiser .

Edited by Frankie, 20 May 2012 - 16:04.

 zuup, on 1st January 2012, 18:20, said:

Sunt prea puțini care vor cameră bună la tel și prea mulți care vor multimedia. D'asta Nokia și SE, care mai făceau tel cu camere bune, au pierdut teren în vânzări.

Am utilizat un numar de telefoane Nokia clasice (3310, 6310i, 7110), toate fara problema, fiabilitate, semnal, baterie. Acum 2 ani mi-am luat un E55. Baterie peste o saptamana vorbit, calitatea convorbirii exceptionala, calitatea sunetului pe redare muzica si radio exceptionala, finisaj si design super. SO este foarte bun, pentru un utilizator normal asa cum sunt. Curat, simplu de utilizat, toate functiile de baza. Problemele au inceput dupa ce l-am agatat cu piciorul cand era la incarcat si a facut un efect de prastie de la jumatate de metru, pe podea. Nu a mai pornit, a fost dus in service. A fost reparat pe garantie. De cand a fost reparat nu ii mai merge radio, se restarteaza, si uneori se restarteaza in convorbire, si da mesaj "Memory full".

Acum, dupa 3 drumuri in service, pot sa spun ca E55 este clar mai putin de incredere decat cele vechi, care sunt niste caramizi ce inca merg dupa 10 ani. Ca am fost si eu de vina, nu zic ca nu, dar tipul de la service mi-a zis ca nokia nu mai e ce a fost, ca primesc gramezi de N800 si N9 in service, iar cand am fost a doua oara cu E55, era un tip cu N8 bagat a 4-a oara in garantie.

Sunt atat de rele incat nici nu vor sa le mai schimbe conform legii (Cordon Electronics, a 3-a defectare), tipul de la tejghea mi-a zis, citez "Am vorbit cu cei de la lege, nu va dam alt telefon, nu mai e valabil. L-ai luat din magazin cu mana ta, asta e. Noi vi le reparam cat sunt inca in garantie "  

Edited by nicolaie, 01 June 2012 - 02:30.

Da, Symbian OS este bun, dar este depasit. A fost abandonat de toti, Nokia a tinut cu dintii de el si vanzarile s-au prabusit odata cu el. S-a trezit cam tarziu cu Windows Mobile, dar se pare ca nu e inca prea tarziu. Din pacate pentru ei, un utilizator pierdut si dezamagit e mult mai greu de recastigat decat unul nou.
Android e evolutia fireasca, si... da are unele mici probleme, dar fara asa ceva n-am evolua niciodata.
Sa se dezvolte Windows Mobile mai mult si sa intre programatorii in el mai tare, din experientele anterioare cu produsele Microsoft noi lansate, cred ca lista cu update-uri o sa fie mai lunga decat cartea "Cum sa intelegi femeile".

Edited by Getodacul, 05 June 2012 - 11:36.