China vs US

O piata de desfacere, ce-i drept din ce in ce mai anemica. Dar e buna si aia pana reuseste China sa-si impulsioneze consumul intern

Mai mult din cauza asta asta intreb ce primesc la schimb pentru sprijinul dolarului. Nu cumva china actioneaza prin intermediul altora ?  Recunosc, e o idee cel putin ridicola dar totusi ...

Nu sprijina nimic. Se sprijina pe ei, si ne-prea-avand in ce sa se propteasca se proptesc in cea mai mare economie capitalista, US.

Daca ar fi cum zice flaviand, ar re-investi cashul ala in propria economie bazata, nu cumparand bucati din America, ca si fie si ei trasi la mal de primul supravietuitor.

Whereas the American package was geared to consumers, the Chinese package is geared to productive infrastructure projects that will add to the long term competitiveness of its economy. In China, real wages will filter down to consumers in the form of real wealth, as China's economy gears itself up to become an increasingly effective challenger to American superpower status.

Sales of passenger cars, buses and trucks climbed to 827,600, the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers said today in Beijing. The tally in the first two months rose 2.7 percent to 1.56 million, compared with a 39 percent decline to 1.35 million in the U.S.

    China has halved retail taxes on small cars and drawn up plans to give out vehicle subsidies in rural areas to revive demand after auto sales rose at the slowest pace in a decade last year. Combined with the country's wider 4 trillion yuan ($585 billion) economic stimulus package, the policies have caused General Motors Corp. to roughly double its forecast for China's nationwide auto market growth this year.

By contrast, GM is shuttering plants in the U.S. and seeking a government bailout on tumbling demand. GM's domestic sales collapsed 51 percent in the first two months as the industrywide sales rate dropped to the lowest level since 1981 amid the recession.

This newspaper cites a senior official of China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, the state regulator of China's auto industry, who dropped the hint that "the auto manufacturing giants in China, such as Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) and Dongfeng Motor Corporation, have the capability and intention to buy some assets of the two crisis-plagued American automakers." These hints are very often followed with quick action in the Middle Kingdom. The hints were dropped just a few days after the same Chinese government gave its auto makers the go-ahead to invest abroad.

General Motors monthly sales of cars and light trucks fell by 49 per cent last month, Chrysler's by 55 per cent and Ford Motor's by 40 per cent, including vehicles made by Volvo, its Swedish premium brand.

"This is the first time in history that China has surpassed the US," said Michael DiGiovanni, GM?s head of global sales and industry analysis.

Diferenta e ca dolarii aia sunt bani munciti de chinezi, nu scosi la imprimanta asa cum au facut-o pur si simplu americanii. De aceea China incearca sa profite cat mai poate de pe urma lor, inainte sa devina hartie igienica.

In February, China secured oil supply deals totaling $41 billion with Russia, Brazil and Venezuela.

Among the most lucrative: an agreement reached with Russia, in which China will lend $25 billion to Russian oil giant Rosneft and oil pipeline company Transneft. In return, according to Russian news reports, China will receive 300,000 barrels of crude a day for the next 20 years at a rate of about $20 a barrel less than half the current price of $45.

While touring Latin America, Vice President Xi Jinping signed a deal to lend $10 billion to Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras. China will receive up to 160,000 barrels a day, again over a 20-year period.

The oil deals complement efforts to buy into the Australian mining industry. China's biggest aluminum producer, Chinalco, has submitted a bid of $19.5 billion to buy an 18 percent stake in beleaguered mining company Rio Tinto. Chinese firm Minmetals has offered $1.7 billion for Oz Minerals.

The purchases were a shrewd diplomatic move, pleasing European manufacturers, making a small dent in China's huge trade surpluses and undercutting the U.S. "buy American" drive, a policy that Chinese officials have been quick to criticize.

A major factor, said Nicholas Lardy, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, is that China's acquisitions have been focused on resources that tend to be found outside the U.S.

But if China starts looking at U.S. firms, such as the struggling car industry, it might avoid another Unocal moment. Western economies are in such a weak position that they may not be so selective.

You may not see the threat in Wen`s remarks if you don´t consider asian mentality.  

“We have lent a huge amount of money to the United States,”

To speak that out so publicly as he did in itself is a very blunt statement from their point of view.

For them, the americans already lost their face `cause not only did the chinese lent you lots and lots of money, but also Ms Clinton herself came over only to beg for more! That is not a good thing, because now the chinese are starting to play their cards.

I agree with Michael when he says,

     "You may not see the threat in Wen`s remarks if you don´t consider asian mentality."

I say this as I post from my island "hideout" in the Yellow Sea using an errant wireless signal that I get once in a while...

For the Chinese to say what they've been saying, given the Asian tradition of "beating around the bush" until someone is so embarrassed that they do the right thing or until you just have to step on them, I'd say America has been warned...

Seconded. This is very bad given Chinese culture.

It is especially worrying considering the recent aggression on US ships. First the Chinese flew a bomber within a few hundred feet above the deck of a US ship. They blamed it on a rogue pilot ignoring orders. Second they had several vessels surround and block another US ship. The Chinese pulled down their pants and the US ship had to retreat. Again they said it was unintentional.

Chinese citizens rarely act autonomously. Chinese military never act autonomously.

They have a huge advantage over the States. Scary times.

I have several friends, who are 1.5 generation Chinese Americans.  I would agree that it takes a lot for Chinese to make this kind of public statement.

Comentarii pe tema ultimelor declaratii ale chinezilor: http://www.chrismart...5#comment-24138

Mi se pare aproape incredibil si foarte greu de crezut. Adica sa cumperi petrol pentru 20 de ani la aproape jumatate din pretul actual ?? Cand pretul va incepe sa creasca din nou ?? Cat de disperat trebuie sa fii sa vinzi in asa conditii ?

Adica se apropie un razboi sau ce?

“We have lent a huge amount of money to the United States,”
To speak that out so publicly as he did in itself is a very blunt statement from their point of view.
....

Da, nici eu n-am luat in calcul diferenta de mentalitate intre asiatici si restul lumii ... Cred ca au dreptate.

In ceea ce priveste  

Mi se pare aproape incredibil si foarte greu de crezut. Adica sa cumperi petrol pentru 20 de ani la aproape jumatate din pretul actual ?? Cand pretul va incepe sa creasca din nou ?? Cat de disperat trebuie sa fii sa vinzi in asa conditii ?

Cred ca ceva este in neregula cu stirea asta, probabil este doar jumate din adevar, ca in alte multe cazuri.

Povestea e simpla: chinezii au bani in exces iar rusii nu sunt chiar asa prosti cum ii cred unii...

Povestea e simpla: chinezii au bani in exces iar rusii nu sunt chiar asa prosti cum ii cred unii...