Discutii generale despre Apple

ionutzm05, on 21st April 2011, 21:45, said:

poate asta e raspuns la faptul ca apple a dat in judecata samsung pt plagiat )

Deci ce am inteles eu:
Cand sincronizezi iPhone cu iTunes, fisierul consolidated.db se actualizeaza cu locatiile si creaza un istoric pe 12 luni. Cine are acces la acel PC/Mac are acces la acel fisier foarte simplu.
Ce n-am inteles eu:
De ce acel fisier nu e criptat astfel incat sa nu se vada acele coordonate la deschiderea lui?
Sunt sigur ca daca acel fisier era securizat in vreun fel, nimeni n-ar fi stiut de chestiile astea.

Practic nu ma intereseaza ca apple are acces la acele date, ci ca oricine rau intentionat le poate procura destul de usor.

Florinbv, on 26th April 2011, 11:16, said:

nu e criptat decit daca vrei, si ii spui lu' iTunes.

Well well well, se cam ingroasa gluma: First Lawsuit Filed Against Apple For Undocumented Location Database

http://www.mobilecru...ation-database/

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In state se da oricine in judecata pt orice.

Apple a publicat astazi urmatorul raspuns:

Apple would like to respond to the questions we have recently received about the gathering and use of location information by our devices.

1. Why is Apple tracking the location of my iPhone?
Apple is not tracking the location of your iPhone. Apple has never done so and has no plans to ever do so.

2. Then why is everyone so concerned about this?
Providing mobile users with fast and accurate location information while preserving their security and privacy has raised some very complex technical issues which are hard to communicate in a soundbite. Users are confused, partly because the creators of this new technology (including Apple) have not provided enough education about these issues to date.

3. Why is my iPhone logging my location?
The iPhone is not logging your location. Rather, it’s maintaining a database of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers around your current location, some of which may be located more than one hundred miles away from your iPhone, to help your iPhone rapidly and accurately calculate its location when requested. Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites, and even triangulate its location using just Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data when GPS is not available (such as indoors or in basements). These calculations are performed live on the iPhone using a crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data that is generated by tens of millions of iPhones sending the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple.

4. Is this crowd-sourced database stored on the iPhone?
The entire crowd-sourced database is too big to store on an iPhone, so we download an appropriate subset (cache) onto each iPhone. This cache is protected but not encrypted, and is backed up in iTunes whenever you back up your iPhone. The backup is encrypted or not, depending on the user settings in iTunes. The location data that researchers are seeing on the iPhone is not the past or present location of the iPhone, but rather the locations of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers surrounding the iPhone’s location, which can be more than one hundred miles away from the iPhone. We plan to cease backing up this cache in a software update coming soon (see Software Update section below).

5. Can Apple locate me based on my geo-tagged Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
No. This data is sent to Apple in an anonymous and encrypted form. Apple cannot identify the source of this data.

6. People have identified up to a year’s worth of location data being stored on the iPhone. Why does my iPhone need so much data in order to assist it in finding my location today?
This data is not the iPhone’s location data—it is a subset (cache) of the crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower database which is downloaded from Apple into the iPhone to assist the iPhone in rapidly and accurately calculating location. The reason the iPhone stores so much data is a bug we uncovered and plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below). We don’t think the iPhone needs to store more than seven days of this data.

7. When I turn off Location Services, why does my iPhone sometimes continue updating its Wi-Fi and cell tower data from Apple’s crowd-sourced database?
It shouldn’t. This is a bug, which we plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below).

8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.

9. Does Apple currently provide any data collected from iPhones to third parties?
We provide anonymous crash logs from users that have opted in to third-party developers to help them debug their apps. Our iAds advertising system can use location as a factor in targeting ads. Location is not shared with any third party or ad unless the user explicitly approves giving the current location to the current ad (for example, to request the ad locate the Target store nearest them).

10. Does Apple believe that personal information security and privacy are important?
Yes, we strongly do. For example, iPhone was the first to ask users to give their permission for each and every app that wanted to use location. Apple will continue to be one of the leaders in strengthening personal information security and privacy.

Software Update
Sometime in the next few weeks Apple will release a free iOS software update that:

    - reduces the size of the crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower database cached on the iPhone,
    - ceases backing up this cache, and
    - deletes this cache entirely when Location Services is turned off.

In the next major iOS software release the cache will also be encrypted on the iPhone.

Ce dragut, de fapt era... un bug, nothing to worry about:   http://www.gsmarena....x-news-2570.php


Today Apple released a Q&A statement, which admits the tracking and calls it a bug. An update to fix it all is on the way though. Apple also admits the location recording continues to work even if you turn the Location Services off and that the iPhone stores your location history ever since you've bought the phone

daca ar fi fost criptat ar fi fost acelasi lucru. ar fi aparut ceva care trece de criptare si iti afiseaza acelasi lucru

io va zic sincer ca daca as duce o viata de criminal mi-as lasa telefonul acasa de fiecare data cind as omori pe cineva

Cineva minte in primele 2 minute si ceva ale video-ului din acest link    http://blog.gsmarena...-privacy-video/

All Things Digital has put up this video of Apple’s Steve Jobs and Android’s Andy Rubin share their perspectives on privacy as they saw them at last year’s D Conference or D8 as it it was called. It’s interesting to watch and compare what Jobs is saying to how things turned out to really be.

Microsoft collects locations of Windows phone users http://news.cnet.com...057329-281.html

Like Apple and Google, Microsoft collects records of the physical locations of customers who use its mobile operating system.

Windows Phone 7, supported by manufacturers including Dell, HTC, LG, Nokia, and Samsung, transmits to Microsoft a miniature data dump including a unique device ID, details about nearby Wi-Fi networks, and the phone's GPS-derived exact latitude and longitude.

A Microsoft representative was not immediately able to answer questions that CNET posed this afternoon, including how long the location histories are stored and how frequently the phone's coordinates are transmitted over the Internet. Windows Phone currently claims about a 6 percent market share but, according to IDC, will capture about 21 percent by 2015 thanks to Microsoft's partnership with Nokia.

Microsoft does say, however, that location histories are not saved directly on the device. That's different from Apple's practice of recording the locations of visible cell towers on iPhone and iPad devices, which can result in more than a year's worth of data being quietly logged. Google's approach, by contrast, records only the last few dozen locations on Android phones.

The privacy practices of mobile software companies have come under extensive scrutiny after a researcher at a conference last week in Santa Clara, Calif., described in detail how the iPhone's location logging works. A CNET report, however, showed that law enforcement and forensics analysts had been aware of and relied on the undocumented feature since at least last year.

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) today asked Google and Apple to appear at a Senate hearing scheduled for May 10, and Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has asked for a meeting. A lawsuit seeking class action status was filed today in Tampa, Fla.

According to a Web page in the "Help and How-To" section of the Windows Phone site, Microsoft has assembled a database with the "location of certain mobile cell towers and Wi-Fi access points" so a mobile device can determine its location more quickly, and with less battery drain, than if only GPS was used. Relying exclusively on GPS would have a negative "impact on mobile phone users by increasing data charges and draining the battery," the company says.

To make applications like maps work, of course, it's necessary for a smartphone or tablet to transmit its GPS coordinates to a remote server--and, in exchange, receive nearby restaurant reviews, or driving directions, and so on.

Privacy concerns begin to arise when a unique device ID is transmitted, which allows a company to track a customer's whereabouts over an extended period of time. Randomizing the device ID frequently would alleviate some concerns. (Microsoft says that in the case of Windows Phone 7, location information is transmitted to its servers only if Wi-Fi and location services are turned on. It also points out it offers a global switch to turn off all location-based services.)

"The user is identifiable if you have a series of events" that can be linked together, says Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C.

Microsoft says its operating system transmits the MAC address of the Wi-Fi access point (but not the name), signal strength, a randomly generated unique device ID retained for an unspecified limited period of time, and, if GPS is turned on, the precise location and direction and speed of travel. That happens when the "application or user makes a request for location information," the company says.

One privacy concern is that location databases can be a gold mine for police or civil litigants: requesting cell phone location information from wireless carriers has become a staple of criminal investigations, often without search warrants being sought. It's not clear how often legal requests for these records have been sent to Microsoft, which said it could not immediately answer that question, or whether its lawyers require a search warrant signed by a judge.

Even though police are tapping into the locations of mobile phones thousands of times a year by contacting AT&T, Verizon Wireless, and other mobile carriers, the legal ground rules remain unclear, and federal privacy laws written a generation ago are ambiguous at best. The Obama Justice Department has claimed that no warrant is required for historical location information, a claim opposed by a coalition of companies including Google and Microsoft but not Apple. (CNET was the first to report on warrantless cell tracking in 2005.)

Apple acknowledged (PDF) to Congress last year that "cell tower and Wi-Fi access point information" is "intermittently" collected and "transmitted to Apple" every 12 hours, but has declined to elaborate. Google has confirmed that it collects location information from Android devices, but downplayed concerns about privacy by saying the information is not "traceable to a specific user." It has yet to respond to questions from last Friday.
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Microsoft Explains Its Location Data Collection Practices http://www.pcworld.c..._practices.html
Apr 26, 2011

In the midst of an uproar over ways that Apple and Google collect and store location information from mobile phones, Microsoft has laid out details about its Windows Phone 7 data collection policies.

Microsoft says that it collects location information only if users allow an application to access location data and when that particular application requests location information. It also said that it keeps that data in a Microsoft database.

Apple has come under fire in recent weeks after researchers showed that the iPhone and iPad store location data about users on the devices. Additional research found that both Apple and Google collect location information about users even when applications that require location information aren't running.

Google has defended itself by saying that location sharing by users of Android-based mobile phones is opt-in and that all location data the company stores is anonymized. Apple has not commented on the situation.

Microsoft said that it assembles and maintains a database of the locations of cell towers and Wi-Fi access points in order to provide its location services. When a user accesses an application that requires location information, Microsoft compares the Wi-Fi access points and cell towers in range of the device with the location database, which contains details of the locations of the access points and cell towers.

Microsoft has assembled the database in two ways, it said. One is via teams of people who drive around with phones that collect information about Wi-Fi access points, matching that data with location information collected via GPS. The company started that process last year and plans to continue this year, it said.

In addition, when customers are using location-aware applications and Wi-Fi is turned on, the phones collect information about nearby Wi-Fi access points. If the user has GPS turned on, Microsoft will also collect location details.

Microsoft said it only collects location information when a particular application requests it. Also, it said that when it collects location information, it matches it with a randomly generated ID assigned to the device, which is retained for a limited period. It uses that ID to distinguish location requests.

The company left a few unanswered questions, including how long it retains data collected from user phones. It said it stores the data in a Microsoft database, but did not specify whether it also stores any such data on user devices.

Because Microsoft has a relatively small mobile market share, it may escape some of the questions aimed at its competitors. Over the past weeks, the Illinois attorney general, Minnesota Senator Al Franken and Congressman Edward Markey have all asked Apple and Google to respond to questions about their location collection activities. Two consumers have filed a lawsuit in Florida charging both companies with fraud. In addition, governments in Korea and Europe are reportedly investigating the matter.

Nici Androidul nu e departe cu "inregistrarea mișcările utilizatorilor fără știrea lor"

Se pare ca au avut parte de un "dus rece" Location tracking leads to raid on Google office in South Korea link.

Pana la urma Apple o sa renunte la inregistrarea miscarilor  ?

Pt paranoici a aparut 4.3.3 care rezolva problema cu locatiile.

Pai si google se pare ca are parte de un proces: https://www.infoseci...n-Tracking.html , asa ca nu este cu nimic mai prejos decat Apple

E cunoscut scandalul in care niste cercetatori au descoperit ca Apple stocheaza locatiile pe unde am umblat si apoi le uploadeaza pentru a folosi informatia in diverse scopuri. Stim cu totii ca in urma scandalului  Apple a facut rectificari la soft si cei care au versiunea 4.3.3 nu mai sunt spionati.
  Ei iata ca cei de la CNIL (Franta - La Commission Nationale de l'Informatique et des Libertés) au facut propriile lor teste si a reiesit ca in continoare pretioasele noastre terminale, pe care am platit sume frumusele, lucreaza pentru firma Apple trimitand in timpul noptii informatii cu privire la punctele de acces Wi-Fi pe care telefonul le-a "intalnit" pe parcursul zilei. Si asta fara ca Apple sa ne ceara voie noua, fraierii care au cumparat telefonul precum si abonamentul Internet + routerul WiFi.
  Eu nu am nimic impotriva sa faca chestia asta da sa ma intrebe si pe mine sau sa imi dea telefonul gratis si atunci da Tataie sa ma spioneze cat vrea muschiu lor.
  Link articol   :    http://www.cnil.fr/n...-votre-sommeil/

Nu vad ce legatura are pretul telefonului. Cine este deranjat ar trebui sa fie si daca e vorba de o pocnitoare primita gratuit sau de un telefon care a costat o gramada de bani. Nu cred ca pretul este coordonata dupa care cineva ar trebui sa se simta in siguranta sau sa se simta vulnerabil.

usor usor o sa ne urmareasca politia ca in filmul ala insula

Stai linistit, nu numai pretioasele "aifoane" si ipad-urile inregistreaza informatiile despre locatie, site-uri accesate, parole, etc. La fel se intampla si cu Android si cu Windows 7. E inevitabila chestia. Atunci cand iti cumperi un smartphone accepti tacit faptul ca poti fi spionat oricand si ca informatii sensibile de orice gen pot ajunge cine stie unde. Singura solutie pentru cei care tin la intimitatea lor este sa foloseasca telefoane din epoca de piatra care nu fac altceva decat sa apeleze si sa trimita mesaje. Trebuie sa fii naiv sa crezi ca informatiile tale sunt sigure atunci cand folosesti un telefon inteligent.

@medley Corect ce zici dar are legatura cu pretul telefonului pentru ca un jaf de 3310 sau alte terminale ieftine si fara functii nu au cum sa fie folosite pentru spionare decat desigur prin modificari hardware serioase.
Cam nasol ce zici matale domnule Nasol2008 mai ales ca terminalele astea au preturi piperate.  Adica daca vrei sa mai vezi un mail, sa mai navighezi pe net de pe telefon si strangi bani la ciorap
rapandulele de producatori se baga in viata ta. Cam nasol zic eu. Poate ar fi bine atunci sa ne cunoastem telefonele si sa invatam sa le securizam.

Si mai e o treaba : panaramele de producatori imi folosesc mie reteaua WiFi sau conexiunea 3G ca sa ma spioneze.  
Adicatelea... bai smecherilor... ia platiti voi abonamentul si telefonul daca tot va constituiti in utilizatori.
Nu ca fac gaura in buget, ca le merge mintea sa traga putintel asa, sa nu se prinda tot prostanul.

Edited by opo, 13 October 2011 - 09:03.