Genocidul shiitilor in Pakistan

In Pakistan nu sunt ucisi shiitii nici din motive politice, nici din motive etnice, ci pur si simplu doar din cauze sectare, pentru ca sunt shiiti, pentru ca au ales sa urmeze traditia familiei Profetului sawas, iar gruparile salafite extremiste au trecut de la discursuri violente impotriva shiitilor la atacuri mor
tale concrete si totusi  se vorbeste foarte putin despre aceasta. Cand Malala a fost impuscata de cretini cu aceeasi ideologie, toate ziarele au mediatizat cazul si pe buna dreptate. Cand a nu stiu cata oara 100 de shiiti au fost ucisi intr-o zi doar pentru ca sunt shiiti, s-a mentionat moartea unor pakistanezi, uitandu-se a se specifica identitatea lor religioasa  si cauza uciderii lor. Pentru ca situatia s-a repetat de nenumarate ori si autoritatile pakistaneze protejeaza aceste grupari teroriste, shiitii au iesit in strada, in frig si ploaie, si refuza sa ingroape cadavrele pana nu primesc protectie din partea armatei.

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100 de morti si 150 de raniti in urma unui atac in Quetta. Chiar și după standardele din Pakistan, atacul asupra shiitilor a fost devastator, mass-media din Pakistan numindu-l o baie de sânge.
Cei mai multi dintre morți au fost membri ai comunității minoritare șiițe. Activiștii pentru drepturile omului spun că guvernul este complice la uciderea șiitilor din cauza eșecului de a-i proteja de grupurile militante sunite.
Militantii, spun autoritățile, sunt fie în simpatie cu extremiștii sunniți sau incompetenți și în imposibilitatea de a furniza securitatea de bază. Atacurile asupra siitilor au cunoscut o creștere dramatica, peste 400 de persoane fiind ucise doar anul trecut.
Fondată în 1990, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi este o grupare sunnita militanta acuzata de o serie de atacuri teroriste impotriva shiitilor.
Grupul are legături cu alte rețele militante, cum ar fi talibanii pakistanezi.
Acesta atacă în mod regulat ținte șiite, dar a fost implicat si in atacuri majore, cum ar fi asasinarea fostului premier in 2007, Benazir Bhutto.
http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-20982061

Shia sit-in in Quetta streets enters second day
By Reuters / Web Desk / AFP Published: January 12, 2013

Shia leaders want Army to take over Quetta to handle law and order situation. PHOTO: PPI

QUETTA: The Shia community’s sit-in entered the second day as members members braved cold and rain as they sat in Quetta streets with coffins those killed in Thursday’s deadly bombings, demanding that the military seize control of the provincial capital and protect the Muslim minority community, Express News reported.
Shia leaders also told Reuters they would not allow the victims of two bomb attacks in Quetta on Thursday to be buried until their demands were met.
Express News correspondent Arif Mahmood reported even as the protest continued into the early hours of Saturday, the protesters had been in negotiations with the deputy commissioner and FC personnel.

Husnain Baloch, a local at the protests told The Express Tribune that people were staging a sit-in on Alamdar road, near Thursday’s blast, braving heavy rain and cold.
MNA Syed Nasir Shah, talking to Express News lashed out at the government for being incapable of hindering the terrorists. “Either the government has failed or it is supporting them [terrorists],” he said.
Calling in the army
“The government machinery has failed, there is no protection for people in Quetta,” local Shia party official Hashim Mausawi told AFP.
“We will not end our protest until we get an assurance that the Pakistan army will take over security and administrative control in Quetta.”
Senior administration official Hashim Ghilzai told AFP, “We had discussions with them until late last night and I am now going there to resume negotiations with them today. We are trying to convince them to end the protest.”
It was up to the government to decide if it wants to call in troops, he added.

A Shia Muslim leader publicly criticised Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani over the security in the country.
“I ask the army chief: what have you done with these extra three years you got (in office)? What did you give us except more death?” Maulana Amin Shaheedi, who heads a national council of Shia organisations, told a news conference. His statements highlighted Shia community’s frustrations with Pakistan’s failure to contain militant groups who have vowed to wipe out Shias.

PM takes notice
Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf met Interior Minister Rehman Malik in Islamabad on Saturday where he was briefed about the current security situation of the country.
After analysing the situation, particularly of that in Quetta, the prime minister handed the powers of the police to Frontier Corps (FC) in Balochistan.
He also announced one million rupees in compensation for families of those who died in the Quetta blasts and Rs100,000 to the injured. He ordered the injured to be shifted to Karachi immediately via a C-130 aircraft.
Balochistan Chief Minister Nawab Aslam Raisani was also ordered to immediately reach Quetta.
Background

A string of bombings left over 90 people dead and 150 wounded in one of the bloodiest days of violence that Balochistan has seen for years.
A suicide bomber detonated the explosives inside a crowded snooker club on Alamdar Road, a Shia-dominated neighbourhood of Quetta.
As soon as mediapersons, police and rescue officials reached the site, the second blast went off. Television channels counted the two explosions as suicide attacks. Most of the casualties were caused by the second blast.
The bombings disrupted power supplies and plunged the Alamdar Road neighbourhood into darkness. The area is dominated by the Hazara community, who are Shias by sect. Lashkar-e-Jhangvi claimed responsibility for the blast and said their target was the Hazara community.
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Formidable power of Pakistan's anti-Shia militants
By M Ilyas Khan BBC News, Islamabad
Site of twin blasts - Quetta The key to the increasing power of these groups is not just their ideological fervour but also their ability to set up militant training camps

Wednesday's bombings of a Shia Muslim neighbourhood in the Pakistani city of Quetta that killed almost 100 people is a grim reminder of the power of sectarian militants to act as the arbiters of peace - and war - in this country.
Since 2004-05, they have steadily spread their wings in south western Balochistan province, where the ethnic Hazara community of Shia Muslims has been their main target.
Figures released by the Balochistan government place the number of Shias killed in the province between 2008 and 2012 at 758. Members of the Hazara community say the figure is much higher.
Local residents gather at the site of the overnight twin suicide bombings in Quetta
Founded in the 1980s, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi is a Sunni Muslim militant group blamed for a string of sectarian and high-profile terror attacks
Banned in Pakistan in 2001 and designated a terrorist group by the US in 2003
The group has ties to other militant networks such as the Pakistani Taliban
It regularly attacks Shia targets, but has also been linked to major attacks such as the 2007 assassination of former PM Benazir Bhutto
Profile: Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
The hatred these Sunni militant groups bear towards Shia Muslims is fundamentally theological although the groups' origins date back to the late 1970s, the time of neighbouring Iran's Shia revolution.
The historic split between Sunni and Shia originate in a dispute soon after the death of the Prophet Muhammad over which of his four companions should lead the Muslim community.
The group which has claimed responsibility for the blast, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, was born out of another group called Sipah-e-Sahaba, whose name literally translates as "Soldiers of the Companions of the Prophet".
So their anti-Shia agenda is there in the very origins and name of this group. But over the last few years there has been a dramatic escalation on attacks against Shia Muslims around Pakistan, with some activists naming 2012 as the worst year in living memory for Shia killings.
The key to the increasing power of these groups to wreak havoc on Shias is not just their ideological fervour, but also their ability to set up militant training camps - and Pakistan's complex political environment.
Balochistan training camps
The bombing reflects the extent to which the Pakistani policy of using Islamic militancy as a foreign policy tool has, in the course of three decades, compromised its ability to clean up its house.
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Sunni and Shia Muslims
Muslims are split into two main branches, the Sunnis and Shias
The split originates in a dispute soon after the death of the Prophet Muhammad over who should lead the Muslim community
There are also differences in doctrine, ritual, law, theology and religious organisation
The great majority of Muslims are Sunnis
Pakistan - where Shias are a minority - has a history of sectarian bloodshed dating back to the 1980s
The geographical spread of these outfits today is unprecedented in terms of both their striking capability and their ability to paralyse life in areas of their influence.
In December, activists for Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which is now banned, closed down Karachi, a city of more than 15 million people, when one of their leaders was injured in a gun attack blamed on a rival sect.
Credible reports from the region say the group has also set up several residential and training camps in the remote Mastung area of Balochistan, from where they have been attacking buses carrying Shia pilgrims to holy sites in Iran.
A couple of very large arms dumps uncovered by the police in Quetta in recent months indicate that they have copious supplies of arms, ammunition and explosives, and the tactics they use during attacks show them to be highly trained.
But sectarian militants also have vast influence in the north-western tribal region of Pakistan, where some analysts believe they form the backbone of the Pakistani Taliban group, Tehrik Taliban Pakistan (TTP).
Not many people know that some top TTP leaders - such as the late head of the suicide training squad, Qari Hussain, and the TTP's current spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan - were all members of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi in Punjab at one time or another before they became part of the TTP.
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its affiliated groups also provide crucial technical and manpower support to other major groups in the tribal region, such as the Haqqani network and other groups.
Shia Muslim men shout slogans during a protest rally organised by the religious group Majlis-e- Wahdat-e-Muslimeen in Karachi, 11 January 2013 Shia pilgrims are frequently targeted on buses by sectarian militants
Electoral power-brokers?
With this kind of spread and influence, can the sectarian militants be defeated at all?
Most analysts believe the state is far more powerful than the entire Pakistani militant network, but at the moment it lacks the will to pull the ground from under them.
There are various reasons for this.
In Punjab province, which is the breeding ground of sectarian militants, the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its parent organisation, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, have a strong electoral presence due mainly to the state patronage they enjoyed during the military regime of General Pervez Musharraf.
All the major political parties in the province depend on this vote bloc in many areas of central and southern Punjab to win parliamentary seats.
Therefore, any kind of a crackdown on these groups would run contrary to their interests, especially when elections are approaching.
The country's powerful military establishment also has an ambivalent attitude towards these groups. Even as cadres of these groups are clearly seen as an enemy because they work with the Taliban, they serve several other major interests.
Useful in a crisis
In Balochistan, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its affiliates have helped dilute the impact of an armed nationalist separatist movement by diverting international attention to the issue of targeting Shias.
Elements in the military establishment have also felt a need to use the street protest power of these groups as a second line of defence at times of international crises.
Last year, these groups formed a major part of the movement launched by an alliance of Jihadist religious forces, the Defence of Pakistan Council, to put pressure on the Pakistani civilian rulers not to reopen the Nato supply routes through Pakistan.
In addition, these groups have provided both political and military support to Pakistani objectives against India in the disputed region of Kashmir.
As things stand, the Afghan endgame, in which the Pakistanis are fishing for a major role, is yet to play out to the finish, and the border with India in Kashmir is far from stable.
So while the destructive potential of these groups is not lost on anyone in Pakistan, they have not outlived their utility quite yet.
And if they continue to prove their anti-Shia credentials day after day, they will not have lost their utility for the Sunni-Wahabi sheikhdoms of the Middle East as well, from where they receive the bulk of their funding.

Edited by poarta-cunoasterii, 12 January 2013 - 15:12.

Maine poimaine te vad si pe tine pe la TV cu dosarul cat casa de la SRI . Chiar nu inteleg ce va place sa va bagati in razboiul altora .

Edited by Fondant, 12 January 2013 - 15:27.

 Fondant, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 15:15, said:

Parca eram oameni si ne bagam in treburile altora ca ne parea rau de suferinta lor? Acum ne schimbam atitudinea?
Acolo nu e razboi, in SIria se ucid pentru politica si putere, in Pakistan  sunt ucisi shiitii doar pentru ca sunt shiiti, fara alte motive si totusi nu se intervine, guvernul apara gruparile teroriste iar shiitii continua sa moara, nu e primul incident de acest fel, e o chestiune care continua de ani de zile.

Daca nu-si rezolva ei problemele, ei, care se cunosc, ce sorti de izbanda crezi ca ar avea Romania?!

Unul a fost ridicat de DIICOT acum o luna de zile ca scria pe forumuri despre teroristi si arabi . Cauta pe net si o sa vezi . Baietii sunt printre noi si lucreaza , te bagi in ceva foarte riscant pentru libertatea ta . Nici mama demersurilor nu-i poate salva pe aia sa se omoare intre ei . Parerea mea .

Orice individ sau grupare, care ucide in numele lui Dumnezeu/Allah, o face de fapt din nebunie sau indoctrinare religioasa manipulatoare.
Divinitatea singura ia vietile pe care le doreste, nu are nevoie de niste luptatori pe Pamant.
De asta este Divinitate, nu are nevoie de subalterni cand vrea sa faca ceva, poate, si face singura.

 Fondant, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 15:29, said:

Au fost mai multi ridicati si vor mai fi, e foarte bine ca SRI lucreaza, avem cu totii nevoie de protectie fata de extremisti iar shiitii mai mult decat ceilalti musulmani. Nu te ridica nimeni pentru ca pui stiri pe un forum, nu iti fa tu griji ca au alte criterii.

 YOUR_GOD, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 15:26, said:

Nu am postat stirea pentru a le oferi noi solutii, romanii nu au nici o treaba cu situatia de acolo si nici eu, ca musulman shiit roman, nu pot face nimic, dar pot cel putin sa fac cunoscuta situatia. S-au facut proteste in mai multe tari europene .

poarto, eu cred ca nici conflictul din siria de acum nu ajuta deloc minoritatea siita in pakistan sau oriunde altundeva. asaad a omorat totusi, vreo 30000 pana acum.
iar sauditii nu vor hali niciodata un iran nuclear, vor lupta mai abitir decat israelul impotriva asta.
dar daca nici voi nu gasiti calea de intelegere intre sectele aceleiasi religii ce speranta putem avea noi la clementa din partea voastra, in cazul unei generalizari de conflict?

http://www.youtube.c...v=mYTzGhpp2NY#!

Edited by poarta-cunoasterii, 12 January 2013 - 20:34.

 poarta-cunoasterii, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 15:20, said:

islamul e religia pacii ... cum ar putea musulmanii sa ucida pe cineva din motive religioase?


cand altii iti spun ca musulmanii ... se comporta cum se comporta din cauza religiei ... zici ca nu e asa

acum vii tu si spui ca oamenii sunt ucisi din cauza religiei ... nu te credem ... stim noi ... sunt motive politice

 poarta-cunoasterii, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 15:04, said:

Tot islamul a dat nastere acestor grupari, recte religia pe care o practici si tu, cu acelasi Qur'an, acelasi profet! Iar daca profetul nu intervine în disputa voastra ca sa va calmeze, lumea civilizata ce ar putea face?  

Edited by SophistiKat, 12 January 2013 - 23:21.

 SophistiKat, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 23:20, said:

Lumea civilizata s-ar putea ocupa de disputele dintre catolici si protestanti,baptisti si reformati,
martorii lui Yehova si adventisti,pocaitii si oastea domnului....
Lumea civilizata are slava domnului, treaba destula.
Numai lumea inapoiata se confrunta cu mai putine....

 data, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 22:05, said:

Nu am spus ca islamul ii face sa se comporte nedrept si criminal, am spus ca ii ucid pe altii din cauza religiei lor, a celor ucisi, in acest caz, shiismul. De altfel sunnitii din Pakistan sunt alaturi de shiiti in acest protest in mare masura, teroristii nu ii reprezinta nici pe ei. Noi consideram ca e o diferenta mare intre sunniti si salafiti.

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Protestanti pasnici recitand dua in Quetta. Sotiile si copiii celor ucisi precum si ceilalti protestatari nu s-au miscat de pe strada de 38 de ore, mirosul celor morti se simte, afara este frig, dar nimeni nu doreste sa plece pana ce nu li se vor indeplini cerintele: protectie fata de atacurile extremiste, criminalii sa fie arestati.
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Un mesaj de la o pakistaneza care se afla la fata locului: I request you all to take a moment and read this.
My friend is in Quetta and she sent a chunk of messages explaining what's going on right now after the gruesome attacks. The friends and family of the dead are outside sitting in the freezing cold of Quetta for the past 38 hours. No one from the government has arrived at the scene. She says the stench of blood and flesh permeates the air but no one has moved an inch. They have explained their demands clearly; That they be provided with security from extremist attacks, that their killers be arrested without delay. She says the women are sitting outside with their children as well. The streets, she says, echo with screaming, wailing and endless pleas and begging. In the end, my friend says: "I wish you could hear it all." Our government's priority is, as we all know, centered on everything but actual human life. But we can relay her voice to others. Perhaps this way we can pressurize our 'leaders' to do something. Let the world know, please.

Pakistan blasts: Government tries to placate Shia protesters

Most of the dead were from Quetta's 500,000-strong Hazara Shia
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Formidable power of Pakistan's anti-Shia militants
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Sectarian schism
Pakistani officials are holding crisis talks with Shia protesters in the city of Quetta, who are demanding protection after bomb blasts killed nearly 100.
The talks come as the minority Shia community have refused to bury the dead, barricading a road with coffins of the victims for a second day.
Sunni militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi said it carried out the deadliest of Thursday's attacks killing at least 85.
The militants have previously targeted the area's Hazara Shia.
Extreme protest
Two federal ministers and the governor Balochistan province are negotiating with the protesters in the regional capital to try to defuse the row.
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Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
Founded in the 1990s, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi is a Sunni Muslim militant group blamed for a string of sectarian and high profile terror attacks
Banned in Pakistan in 2001 and designated a terrorist group by the US in 2003
The group has ties to other militant networks such as the Pakistani Taliban

It regularly attacks Shia targets, but has also been linked to major attacks such as the 2007 assassination of former PM Benazir Bhutto
In pictures: Pakistan protests
Pakistan's anti-Shia militants
Profile: Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
However, no breakthrough has been reported so far.
Wrapped up against the winter cold, the demonstrators are continuing to block the road close to the snooker hall which was the target of the deadliest attacks.
Laid out in between them are the shrouded bodies of about 50 victims of the bombing.
Most of the dead were from Quetta's 500,000-strong Hazara Shia. Originally from Afghanistan, the community has established itself in the city over several generations.
The president of the Shia Conference, Syed Dawood Agha, told the BBC that his community would not bury its dead till the army had given an assurance it would take administrative control of the city.
A relative of one of the victims, Fida Hussain, said: "We want safety for our all sects, and all security measures should be taken for our safety. We will not bury them until the government fulfils all our demands."
The refusal to bury the dead is an extreme protest in Islamic society, where people are normally buried the same day they die.

Balochistan Governor Nawab Zulfiqar Magsi admitted that the authorities "have no right to rule" after the attacks - on one of the deadliest days of bombings in Pakistan in recent years.
Three days of mourning have been announced in Balochistan.
Balochistan is plagued by a separatist rebellion as well as the sectarian infighting.
The Taliban and armed groups that support them also carry out attacks in the province, particularly in areas near the Afghan border

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 SophistiKat, on 12 ianuarie 2013 - 23:20, said:

Dupa cum vezi islamul a dat nastere si la shiiti, si la sufiti, si la sunniti, si, adevarat, si la salafiti. Toate religiile au cunoscut extremistii lor, dar aceasta e cauzata de interpretarea gresita, nu de Coran sau islam in sine. Pana si crestinismul a cunoscut atrocitatile sale si nu din cauza Bibliei, ci a oamenilor. La fel si la noi. Stii asta, sunt sigur.

Edited by poarta-cunoasterii, 13 January 2013 - 01:03.

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In Pakistan sunt ucisi si crestini, doar pentru ca sunt crestini, iar guvernul nu intervine.
Nordul Pakistanul e controlat in totalitate de talibani, au un fel de regiune autonoma.
Cine sa intervina? Politia si armata lor trebuie sa mentina ordinea publica. Serviciul lor de informatii trebuie sa-i monitorizeze pe imamii extremisti care controleaza masele. Parlamentul lor trebuie sa modifice legislatia, sa abroge legea blasfemiei, din cauza careia se comit numeroase abuzuri impotriva non-musulmanilor.
Daca se fac presiuni diplomatice din exterior, iarasi vor spune ca „diavolul occidental” intervine in problemele lor interne.

Edited by rabelais, 13 January 2013 - 14:09.

N-ai cum sa le anihilezi  gruparile extremiste, ei trebuie sa o faca, iar daca statul nu ia masuri eficiente, poti doar sa-l fortezi sa o faca aplicand  sanctiuni temporare tarii. Cu timpul, daca nu se ridca sanctiunile pentru ca situatia nu se amelioreaza, toata populatia te va ura, dand vina pe tine ("diavolul occidental" si organizatiile mondiale pe care le controleaza) pentru ca lor le este greu.

 poarta-cunoasterii, on 13 ianuarie 2013 - 00:47, said:

Stiu ca aberezi si refuzi cu obstinatie sa privesti realitatea în fata, dar vina nu-ti apartine în totalitate, caci asa ai fost îndoctrinat, iar îndoctrinatii nu pot sa priveasca lumea dintr-o perspectiva sobra si riguroasa.

 poarta-cunoasterii, on 13 ianuarie 2013 - 00:47, said:

Minte creata si naiva, tocmai asta e problema religiilor, interpretabilitatea si versetele auto-contradictorii din textele "sacre". Atât crestinul demolator de clinici anti-avort cât si crestinul altruist pot sa-si justifice comportamentul prin citate biblice. De musulmani, nici nu mai zic...dar e extrem de limpede ca la voi interpretarea violenta este mult, mult mai raspândita decât a fost vreodata în spatiul european.

"The taming and domestication of religion is one of the unceasing chores of civilization." - Hitch

Islamul trebuie si el îmblânzit si domesticit, sau reformat, cum spune TA, altfel nu va fi NICIODATA compatibil cu modernitatea globala, iar lumea va continua sa va dispretuiasca.

Edited by SophistiKat, 13 January 2013 - 15:30.

si ma doare-n cot

Cu riscul de a parea cinic, musulmanii nici nu merita sa fie ajutati.
Cretinii de americani si de europeni i-au ajutat in Kosovo, impotriva crestinilor. Rezultat? Musulmanii ii urasc si mai tare pe americani. Americanii i-au ajutat si pe mujahedini in Afganistan, contra sovieticilor. Rezultat? Oamenii antrenati si echipati de americani au inceput sa ucida americani.

Trebuie sa fii dus cu pluta sa te amesteci in conflictele religioase care nu te privesc. Tot tu vei pica de fraier.