Anna Bono, specialist în Africa: Migranții nu sunt săraci care fug de război. Cifrele stau mărturie

Nick_85, on 14 iulie 2018 - 10:27, said:

Atât ai avut de spus?
Of dragule, aplici o tactică cunoscuta și cam rasuflata. Atunci când unii nu au argumente fac pe grammar nazi! 😁

mihaela5, on 14 iulie 2018 - 13:36, said:

argumente la ce? la faptul ca sunt tari majoritar crestine in Africa? ca imigranti vin si din aceste tari mai (mult chiar)? ca imigratia nu are legatura cu religia? argument ca tu ai insirat la nimereala niste tari pe care nici macar nu stii sa le scrii corect? ca 90% ala  (ai sursa ceva?) l-ai scos din burta?

mihaela5, on 12 iulie 2018 - 16:33, said:

Hai ca nu e chiar cu spui..."mult chiar".

Majoritatea vin din Marocco, Libia, Tunisia, Mali, Sudan, Niger, Chad etc. Cu mici exceptii toata listuta asta au peste 90% majoritate musulmana. Ce vin mai mult din tari cu procent mic al musulmanilor (in special in Franta) ar fi Congo de exemplu. Dar acolo pe de alta parte vin multi si din Algeria. Nu-s deci per total asa multi.

Edited by SorinGT, 14 July 2018 - 15:10.

pentru a fugi la mii de km iti trebuie cash
aia ce o fac nu sunt saraci

Nick_85, on 14 iulie 2018 - 14:48, said:

Care e ponderea imigrantilor crestini, animisti samd ? Nu cumva sunt aruncati direct in Mediterana de catre colegii lor musulmani ?

SorinGT, on 14 iulie 2018 - 15:07, said:

de exemplu pt regiunea subsahariana

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Nigeria 50% 50%
south africa / crestini
Somalia / islam
senegal /islam
Ghana / 77% crestini 16%/islam
Angola/ crestini
Kenya/ crestini
DR Congo /crestini
Cameroon/  70%crestini  18% islam
Ivory Coast / 50% 50%

si vine tanti Mihaela si ne zice ca 90% (din burta) vin din tari islamice sau celalat care ne zice ca africa e ruina pt ca islam. Imigranti vin si din tari crestine si din tari arabe; cauza este una economica nu relgia.

si da sunt mai multi crestini (pt anul 2010)

57% crestini vs 27% musulmani  vs 11% neafiliati si alte religii
https://www.statista...pe-by-religion/

56%% crestini vs 27% pt 2012
http://www.pewforum....ion-spotlights/

Edited by Nick_85, 14 July 2018 - 22:06.

Tu crezi ca poti sa ne prostesti cu baliverne dinastea?

ionelmironescu, on 12 iulie 2018 - 17:08, said:

Au existat si cetateni sirieni, inclusiv militari, care au trecut de partea rebelilor.Da, regimul Obama a sponsorizat mercenari islamisti pentru a distruge regimul Bashar iar de partea lui Bashar au intervenit, pentru ca au avut interesul sa o daca, Iranul si Rusia, cu trupe proprii si tehnica de lupta.Posibil si China dar ceva mai discret.Fara Rusia si Iran, azi Bashar era de domeniul trecutului
Decat o Sirie in haos, dominata de islamisti traditionali,  mai bine una condusa de un regim autoritar dar care este adept al laicitatii si modernismului.Inclusiv fan al occidentului.Stim foarte bine ca democratia nu are priza la arabi si musulmani, in general, din motive care tin de religia lor pe care se bazeaza cultura lor.

Edited by max_01, 14 July 2018 - 22:26.

ionelmironescu, on 12 iulie 2018 - 17:08, said:

E atacata din interior chiar de fortele dictatoriale.

Nick_85, on 14 iulie 2018 - 21:39, said:

Manipulezi .Insiri aici tari africane care nu sunt exportatoare de refugiati. Cati refugiati vin din Angola, Kenya , Ghana, Africa de Sud , Yory Coast , Cameroon? Iti spun eu nici unul !  Majoritatea vin din Somalia si Sudan. Tari majoritar islamice. Singurii crestini care vin in Europa din Africa sunt din Eritreea.
Daca (,) cauza e economica stii ca nu au ce cauta in Europa, da?

mihaela5, on 15 iulie 2018 - 12:01, said:

tot zici de Sudan si nici nu iti dai seama ca de fapt nu este cum crezi tu. stii tu ceva dar faci diferenta intre Sudanul de Sud si Sudan?  

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https://www.unrefuge...cts/statistics/
South Sudan > crestini, islam sub 7%

refugiatii sudanezi de care stii tu ceva sunt de fapt sud sudanezi adica dintr-o tara crestina

Sudan, tara musulmana cu care ii asociezi tu nu prea exporta refugiati in comparatie cu Sudanul de sud sau mult mai putin.

cu Sudanul ai cam dat-o in bara...

ps. nu ai raspuns la intrebare: 90% ala de refugiati provin din tari musulmane l-ai scos din burta sau ai ceva sursa? daca ai sursa pune link plz sa vad si eu.

mihaela5, on 12 iulie 2018 - 16:33, said:

Edited by Nick_85, 15 July 2018 - 13:52.

Nick_85, on 15 iulie 2018 - 13:40, said:

NU i-am scos din burta . Tu ai pus numai Africa la socoteala si ai pus tari care nu exporta refugiati dar i-au uitat pe aia care vin din OM si Asia,  Siria , Iraq , Afganistan , Palestina, Pakistan, toate tari islamice, basca musulmanii din tarile europene , Kosovo, Bosnia, Albania, majoritatea refugiatilor sunt musulmani fie ca iti place tie sau nu. NU stiu de unde iti iei tu informatiile eu lucrez  direct cu ei si stiu exact din ce tari provin si ce religie aduc cu ei.

Si daca  tot ai adus aminte de sudanul crestin poate ar trebui sa stii situatia reala a ceea ce se intampla acolo.  Cum sund sudanezii crestini persecutati de musulmani .


“IF SOUTH SUDAN secedes,” Omar al-Bashir told supporters at a rally in 2010, “we will change the constitution”, paying no attention to “diversity of culture”. The Sudanese president revisited the subject two years later. “Our template is clear: a 100% Islamic constitution,” he said in a speech to Muslim leaders in the capital, Khartoum. As for non-Muslims: “Nothing will preserve your rights except for Islamic sharia.”

The south seceded in 2011, taking with it most of Sudan’s Christians. After the split churches in the north were burned. Then came demolitions: at least 20 since 2011. Four took place in August this year. About 27 other churches are listed for bulldozing. The government says it is merely removing unlicensed buildings. But only churches seem to be getting knocked down. In any case, the government announced in 2013 that it would no longer grant licences for the construction of new churches.

“Christians have no rights here any longer,” says Reverend Kuwa Shamal of the Sudanese Church of Christ, one of several church leaders who have been arrested on specious charges of spying and undermining the constitution.



Sudan’s treatment of Christians has long been dire. Forced assimilation in the 1980s and 1990s helped spark its decades-long civil war. “Denial of religious freedom” was cited by Bill Clinton, then America’s president, among his reasons for imposing sanctions on Sudan in 1997. A peace agreement with southern rebels in 2005 brought some respite, but “after the independence of South Sudan the government decided there was no space for Christians,” says Muhanad Nur, a human-rights lawyer in Khartoum.

Many Western observers agree. On November 17th America’s deputy secretary of state, John Sullivan, told Sudan to stop smashing churches. Open Doors, an NGO, ranks Sudan as the fifth-worst country in the world for the persecution of Christians. In June, American congressmen from both parties wrote to President Donald Trump urging him to delay lifting sanctions for another year, citing in particular “state-sanctioned persecution of Christians”. (They were lifted anyway on October 12th to prise Sudan from the orbit of Iran, a long-standing ally.)

Although foreigners focus on Sudan’s central government, much of the repression is happening locally and sporadically. Church demolitions in Khartoum, for instance, are carried out by local authorities. Many suspect they are more interested in grabbing valuable land than in suppressing religious minorities.

The governor of Khartoum, Abdel Rahim Muhammad Hussein, has threatened to kick out tens of thousands of South Sudanese refugees, many of whom are Christian. He claims they cause insecurity and spread disease. Such words are worrying when coming from a man who, like Mr Bashir, is wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of crimes against humanity.

Yet Sudanese citizens are far more welcoming. Sudan still has many Christian schools, most of whose pupils are Muslim. And many of the Christians that Sudan lost when the south broke away have since returned: about half a million South Sudanese have crossed the border since the start of a civil war there in 2013. Father Juma Charles of St Matthew’s Catholic Cathedral in Khartoum says that so many of his flock have returned that prayer centres that were closed in 2011 are open again.

https://www.economis...tion-is-growing

Edited by mihaela5, 15 July 2018 - 14:06.

mihaela5, on 15 iulie 2018 - 14:01, said:

ce tot vorbesti acolo: Sudanul de Sud este o tara crestina cu putini musulmani (sub 7%) in care se bat de ani de zile tabara presedintelui catolic Salva Kiir Mayardit cu tabara opozitiei condusa de de alt crestin cara sa se instaleze dictator. Nici o treaba cu islamul razboiul lor civil si cei 1.4 milioane  de refugiati.

Zi mai bine ca ai auzit de sud sudanezi si ai presupus cum faci de obicei ca sunt musulmani ca si cei din Sudan.

ps. nu o mai lungi; zi cum ai ajuns la cifra aia de +90% refugiatii provin din tari musulmane.

mihaela5, on 15 iulie 2018 - 14:01, said:

pai ... nu contrazice nimeni ca tarile din N Africii si OM sunt tari musulmane cu mici exceptii. eu iti contrazic numarul ala scos din burta si cum vrei tu sa arati ca relgia musulmana este de vina. tu si colegu care a zis ca Africa este ruina pt ca islam.

Edited by Nick_85, 15 July 2018 - 22:25.

Nick_85, on 15 iulie 2018 - 22:23, said:

Adica Sudanu-i rupt in doua nordul e isamic sudul e crestin dar n-are nici o treaba islamul acolo cand se stie clar ca crestinii sunt pesecutati de musulmani .
ia zi aici are islamul treaba sau nnu ? Sau nici aici nu e islamul vinovat ?

Boko Haram: 200,000 Christians at Risk of Massacre in Nigeria

Boko Haram forces appear poised to attack Maiduguri, a city of 2 million in northeast Nigeria –- meaning that 200,000 Christians could be at risk of slaughter by the Islamist terror group, say U.S. intelligence officials and experts on Nigeria.

"An attack on Madiguri is very likely," said J. Peter Pham, director of the Africa Project at the Atlantic Council, echoing U.S. intelligence officials. Pham believes, as do other experts, that Boko Haram has already placed "sleeper cells" among the tide of refugees who have fled the group’s murderous rampage through Africa's most populous nation. "They've done it everywhere else they've gone,” said Pham. “So why not Maiduguri?"
One big concern is the large number of Christians in the city -- about 200,000, most of them Roman Catholic. In previous attacks, Boko Haram has offered Nigerian Christians the opportunity to convert or be killed. Already, 200 Christian churches have been lost to the group's onslaught.
Strategically, success in Maiduguri would provide Boko Haram with a launching point for further attacks on the neighboring states of Cameroon, Chad and Niger, all of whose territory were once part of an Islamic caliphate that lasted six centuries, ending in the 1300's. Boko Haram declared its own caliphate in the region last year.

But even with limited success, the image of Boko Haram’s black jihadist flag flying over any part of Maiduguri could be a symbolic victory. "Even if they only raise the black flag only briefly, it will be a big blow to the central government," said Pham.

Boko Haram currently has about 4,000 to 6,000 men --and kidnapped boys -- under arms, and its tactics have improved. "They're operating at a faster tempo and on a larger scale. They are now capable of large-scale operations," said a U.S. official, citing last month's deadly assault on 16 villages and the city of Baga, northeast of Maiduguri. By some estimates, 2,000 people died in those attacks

https://www.nbcnews....nigeria-n306211

mihaela5, on 15 iulie 2018 - 22:46, said:

sunt 2 tari diferite. In sudanul de sud este un razboi civil intre ai lor (pleonasm). nu are treaba celalalt Sudan cu lupta pt putere intre doi care se vor dictatori din sudanul de sud. in sudanul de sud ce isi fac crestinii acolo si-o fac cu mana lor.

Edited by Nick_85, 15 July 2018 - 23:43.

Nick_85, on 15 iulie 2018 - 23:42, said:

Sudanul de sud( cel crestin)  nu este producator de refugiati . Doar din Sudanul de nord musulman ajung refugiati in Europa.

Edited by mihaela5, 15 July 2018 - 23:44.

Cu două săptămâni în urmă, în portul Zarzis, Tunisia a ajuns o ambarcaţiune cu 40 de migranţi cu vârste cuprinse între 17 și 36 de ani. "Echipajul" este format din două femei însărcinate şi 38 de bărbaţi adunaţi din Egipt, Bangladesh, Camerun, Senegal, Guineea, Coasta de Fildeș și Sierra Leone.
Youssef Chahed, şeful guvernului tunisian, a declarat că le-a acordat posibilitatea de a rămâne în Tunisia în cele mai sigure condiţii de securitate dar toţi cei 40 refuză propunerea, intenţia lor fiind să ajungă în Europa.
http://www.webdo.tn/...e-selon-chahed/

Edited by max_01, 29 July 2018 - 19:39.

Pai europa sa le ofere bocancu in coor....
O sa-i vad eu cand se nasoleste situatia pe toata planeta.....pentru ca primii care vor fi jughiniti sunt minoritatile