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remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:14, said:

e mai incalcita de atat problema
cand guvernul turc a cerut de la parlament unda libera pentru o interventie terestra in Syria in proximitatea granitei-dar si in Iraq, reprezentantii politici ai kurzilor in parlament s-au opus.
de ce?

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 15:24.

ce hashtag mai este "trending" in turcia, pe twitter:
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ce-i subliniat:
#protestatarii (la kurzi se refera) trebuie impuscati
#lasati ISIS-ul sa mature kurzii
#ISIS, va sprijinim, distrugeti kurzii

si uite asa se ia temperatura unei natii bolnave ce se pretinde sanatoasa.
mai mult, aici: https://twitter.com/...396922290089984
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e dezgustator si trist ca erdogan prefera vecinatatea cu ISIS-ul unei intelegeri cu minoritatea kurda separatista.

Edited by remembernazdaq, 07 October 2014 - 15:35.

nici Turcia nu trebuie sa se destabilizeze nowadays desi presiunile sunt mari
si iarasi ma refer la Qassem Soleimani si la brusca lui afectiune pentru kurzii de pretutindeni.
ce castiga Iranul daca Turcia este atrasa in conflictul  iraqo-syrian pe modelul in care pakistanul a fost atras in conflictul din afganistan?

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 15:32.

ThinkAbout, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:31, said:

destabilizarea turciei ca putere suprema locala din interior, prin dezbinare. iranul viseaza de mult la pozitia turciei. si cunoastem metodele iraniene prin care sunitii din iran au fost "neutralizati"...comparativ vorbind.

ThinkAbout, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:21, said:

zau daca inteleg. ai vreun link ce dovedeste asta?

Edited by remembernazdaq, 07 October 2014 - 15:39.

remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:41, said:

pai cauta cum s-a votat in parlament si cine s-a opus
http://www.dailysaba...r-troop-mandate

remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:41, said:

cred ca viseaza mai mult decat statutul turciei, mai ales ca treneaza convorbirile privind dosarul nuclear iranian
de aceea am facut o paralela cu pakistanul
india a iesit castigatoare in contextul regional.

ThinkAbout, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:48, said:

mdah...spooky.
sa fie vreo intelegere din culise intre kurzii turciei si guvernul turciei?
god dammit, lumea musulmana si logica diplomatiei...

remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:55, said:

este vorba de opozitie nu de guvernul turciei, in special de
Peoples' Democratic Party (Turkish: Halkların Demokratik Partisi (HDP), Kurdish: Partiya Demokratika Gelan) is a pro-minority rights and feminist left political party in Turkey, acting as the fraternal party to pro-Kurdish Democratic Regions Party (BDP).
cred ca te lamuresti mai mult din articolul de aici
https://www.opendemo...hallenges-ahead
deci de ce opozitia a fost impotriva mandatarii guvernului pentru operatiuni peste granita in Syria si Iraq, desi sunt si kurzi, membri ai ei, ba mai mult votantii kurzi reprezinta electoratul lor.
In conditiile in care situatia din Kobane se agravese in urma cu 3 saptamani si toata lumea realiza atacul iminent al jihadistilor de la IS care concentrau in zona forte?

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 16:00.

fatah, te cred, zau. dar fara explicatia unei intelegeri din culise (din care, poate, are ceva de castigat...cum ar fi kurda ca limba materna si studiul ei in scoli, de ex.), chiar nu inteleg votul partidului kurd.

ThinkAbout, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:55, said:

aici nu te contrazic. india va schimba "maestrul" rus cu cel american, in curand.
iar pakistanul, in raspuns...se va orienta pro-china.
nu neaparat in aceasta ordine.
se stie de mult ca unul dintre puternicii aliati ai israelului in zona este india.

Edited by remembernazdaq, 07 October 2014 - 16:14.

remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 16:12, said:

bun, intelegerea din culise fiind orchestrata de cine astfel incat opozitia sa voteze impotriva trimiterii de trupe ale armatei turce in Iraq si Syria in conditiile in care se stia cand s-a cerut acordul parlamentului ca Kobane o sa cada in mainile IS-ului daca nu intervine nimeni in ajutorul lor?

remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 16:12, said:

india nu-i pakistan, din fericire iar un iran nuclearizat este ceva mult mai horror decat pakistanul nuclearizat indiferent de aliantele din care Iran face parte.
insa aici speculez.
as merge mai mult pe ideea manipularii de catre Iran a kurzilor turci in vederea incercarii de destabilizare a Turciei pentru a-si salva axa Teheran-Baghdad-Damasc-Dahiyeh la schimb

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 16:22.

un pic de realitate din kobane
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era sa mi-o iau cu youtube-ul
este vechi si era din Aleppo, ce ti-e si cu dezinformarile zilele astea.

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 17:29.

kurzii din turcia darama gardul de sarma ce delimiteaza granita ca sa se alature celor ce lupta in kobane impotriva IS-ului
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si in sfarsit, declaratia care ma intrebam de ce intarzie
Liderul provinciei autonome a kurzilor iraqieni, Barzani a declarat dupa 3 saptamani ca trimite intariri kurzilor syrieni prin Turcia.

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 18:38.

ce spuneam de Teheran
face duet cu RIA NOVOSTI
Syrie/Kobane: Téhéran fustige la passivité de l'Occident (médias)
Téhéran a soumis à une critique virulente la politique de non-ingérence de l'Occident dans la situation dans la ville syrienne de Kobane assiégée par les djihadistes de l'Etat islamique (EI), rapporte mardi l'agence IRNA en référence à la porte-parole de la diplomatie iranienne Marzieh Afkham.
http://fr.ria.ru/wor.../202639556.html

meanwhile jihadistii de la IS edicteaza norme privind jurnalistii, uitand ca au decapitat 2 ca asa au avut chef
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Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 18:54.

Spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights: Rupert Colville
Location: Geneva
Date: 7 October 2014

We are very alarmed by the situation in Kobane, the town also known as Ain al-Arab in Arabic, in north-eastern Syria, which is currently being attacked by ISIL.  Up until 3 or 4 days ago, there were still some 10,000 civilians who had not yet crossed into Turkey, and although most have now done so, some may still remain.
From 4 September onwards, ISIL is reported to have intensified what appears to have been indiscriminate shelling of various parts of the town, as they advanced to the outskirts.  On Monday 6 September, ISIL units reportedly broke through the trenches dug by the town’s mainly Kurdish defenders, and street-to-street fighting then took place in eastern neighbourhoods of the town. They also took control of a number of buildings and a strategic hill looking over the town from the south-east .
As a result of these developments, most of the approximately 10,000 civilians who had remained in the border area are believed to have crossed into Turkey on Sunday and Monday. The Kurdish groups in control of Kobane had reportedly ordered civilians to seek refuge in Turkey, and civilian administrators in Kobane were also said to have mostly left the town by yesterday evening.
Nevertheless we remain hugely concerned for the safety of any civilians remaining in Kobane or in the border area near the town, as well as in surrounding villages. We believe the numbers are now , at most, in the hundreds  -- maybe fewer. But clearly anyone who falls into the hands of ISIL is at risk. Given their atrocious record of repeated murders and summary executions of prisoners in both Syria and Iraq, we are also extremely concerned about the fate of any combatants captured by ISIL.
- See more at: http://www.ohchr.org...h.V1UN3T6c.dpuf

urmatoarea declaratie cum o sa sune?
cronica unui genocid previzibil dar in cazul caruia lumea a asistat neputincioasa?

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 19:36.

remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:26, said:

sa stii ca am reflectat la ce ai scris si mi-am adus aminte de un discurs mai vechi a lui Erdogan
Recep Tayyip Erdogan:It is wrong to view them differently, we need to deal to them jointly,he told reporters Oct. 3 in Istanbul.

de ce a tinut Erdogan sa comunice asta in 3 octombrie?
simplu, miza fiind alegerile parlamentare din iunie

Edited by ThinkAbout, 07 October 2014 - 23:23.

remembernazdaq, on 07 octombrie 2014 - 15:26, said:

... dar perfect previzibil.

PYD' Saleh Muslim a cerut acordul Ankarei de a permite kurzilor turci sa se deplaseze catre  Kobane
“We have our armed fighters in Afrin and Cizre waiting to join the ranks of fighters in Kobane. But, we have to use Turkish territory in order to carry these fighters to Kobane. We asked Ankara to allow them cross the Turkish border,” Muslim told the Hurriyet Daily News on Oct. 7.

Coalitia aeriana anti ISIS bombardeaza Kobane si s-a stabilit o legatura intre fortele ei si luptatorii kurzi de la sol
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NATO’s new chief Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance would step in to defend Turkey in the face of any attack from ISIS.

intre timp Kobane a primit intariri de la luptatorii anti Assad kurzi din Aleppo

Din discutiile purtate intre Ankara si Wasinghton am retinut asigurarile in ceea ce priveste kobane
While the US military is looking at a wider picture of how to defeat ISIS, “That doesn't mean that we are going to turn a blind eye to what's going on at Kobane or anywhere else.”

cum era de asteptat, turcia pune conditii pentru a interveni de partea aliantei anti-isis, chestie care nu bucura deloc washingtonul. s-ar zice, CULMEA, ca turcii isi doresc un suport mai vehement pentru rebelii anti-asaad din partea aliantei anti-isis.
so...daca aveti vreun repros, vreodata, impotriva sprijinirii rebelilor (la fel de criminali ca asaad, in my humble opinion) va rog adresati obiectiile ankarei si nu va lansati in tirade anti-americane decat cu riscul de a parea ridicoli.

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http://www.nytimes.c...tw-nytimesworld

Edited by remembernazdaq, 08 October 2014 - 15:47.

Si asigurarile pe care le cere sunt de fapt pe planul 2, nu de alta dar daca erau singurele nu aveau nimic impotriva americanii cel putin cat priveste zona sigura de protectie umanitara
Erdogan a cerut ceva cu care US nu este deloc de acord, astai-i sigur, dar ma intreb ce?
Tehnologie nucleara?
Modificari ale constitutiei dupa alegerile din iunie anul viitor care sa-i garanteze lui Erdogan puteri sporite dar in flagranta contradictie cu statul de drept si democratia cerute Turciei, ca membru al NATO?

Edited by ThinkAbout, 08 October 2014 - 16:47.