a fost 9-11 real?

Boston, Texas - ce mai urmează? Invadăm Iranul ?

Edited by jazzu, 18 April 2013 - 10:40.

ala din texas se pare ca este accident.

Pare ceva de genu Mihăileşti sau mai serios.

Uitati de faptul ca toate acele atentate au fost in apropierea tarmului oceanului.
Deci nu in interiorul tarii.
Au pus americanii 19 indivizi sa se sinucida, ca asa au vrut ei.
Voi stiti ce aberatie de logica e asta, cu intelegerea intre ei si tero?
Si si-au omorit 3000 de oameni, din care citeva sute sigur, pe avioane. Ca sa ce? Sa inceapa sa omoare alte zeci de mii de-ai lor. Ptr ce? ptr petrol?
Cind ei cheltuie miliarde ptr protectia oamenilor in spatiu, si sute de miliarde ptr protectia oamenilor pe fronturi.
Logica ca ei si-au omorit proprii oameni ptr petrol, tine de lumea nici macar a 3-a, A nspea.

NASTYPRIMUL, on 20 aprilie 2013 - 02:05, said:

Asta ma intreb si eu, cum au reusit?

rich1974, on 18 aprilie 2013 - 11:02, said:

de unde stii, din presa aia discreditata?
mai-mai...

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Ar trebui sa credem ca pasaportul lui Satam al-Suqami a fost ejectat din avion (American Airlines-11) in timpul impactului cu North Tower, si a fost gasit pe trotuar cu putin timp inainte ca primul turn sa se prabuseasca. Ca o paralela, cutiile negre ale AA-11 si UA-175 au fost distruse in urma prabusirii turnurilor.

Chiar puteti crede asa ceva?

Edited by nea_caisa, 25 April 2013 - 06:10.

nea_caisa, on 25 aprilie 2013 - 06:04, said:

Ma gandesc ca tu ai o explicatie. Uimeste-ne!

nea_caisa, on 25 aprilie 2013 - 06:04, said:

Da, pot crede asa ceva. Urca-te pe cea mai inalta cladire pe care o poti gasi si da drumul de sus la un pasaport si un aparat electronic. Ghici care se sparge.

Contrar credintei populare, cutiile negre nu sint indestructibile. Au fost cazuri in care au fost distruse in urma prabusirii avioanelor.

Am observat ca adeptii teoriei conspiratiei vin intodeauna cu intrebari, dar niciodata cu explicatii.
Se leaga de niste aspecte minore si nu pun niciodata lucrurile cap la cap sa vada toata problema in ansamblu. "S-a auzit bubuituri, a fost demolata cladirea". Cand vii si le explici frumos ce si cum, scot alta intrebare "Da' cum a ajuns pasaportul lu ala pe strada?"

Pai cum sa ajunga? Respectivul avea 2 pasapoarte. Unu il avea la el si l-a folosit cand s-a imbarcat in avion. Celalalt era la un agent CIA care era in preajma turnurilor si care l-a aruncat pe jos cand s-a lovit avionul de turn. De ce a fost pus? Pentru ca imaginile de la aeroport si datele inregistrate nu erau suficiente ca sa dovedeasca ca respectivul era in avion. Trebuia un act de-al arabului pus in apropiere.
Suna mai plauzibil, nu?

Buna explicatie, aplauze la scena deschisa, in sfarsit s-a lamurit misterul. E clar. Nu mai trebuie cautat nimic, dovada lucraturii e evidenta!

Daca sunt atatea lucruri simple pe care unii nu le cred, de ce se opresc si cred ca intr-adevar s-a gasit un pasaport si ca pasaportul era fix "al cui trebuia".
Intrebari precum "in ce stare era pasaportul", daca era singur de capul lui pe jos sau bagat in ceva, daca era langa turn sau mai departe, cine era cel care l-a gasit si mai ales de ce l-a gasit, cine si cand a spus ca s-a gasit, cate alte obiecte sau paspoarte s-au mai gasit, etc, etc.
Cand se analizeaza ceva se iau in considerare toate aspectele, nu se vine cu o idee dinainte insusita careia i se cauta motive de existenta.
Intr-un soc ca acela, obiectele mici, cu inertie/masa mica se pot imprastia fara a fi distruse sau deteriorate semnificativ, depinde de localizarea lor, intamplare. Vedeti ca dupa impact cad tot felul de obiecte, inca multa vreme dupa aceea, le iau curentii de aer. Arunca d-ta un pasaport de la etajul 70 (presupunand ca poti deschide fereastra!) sa vezi ce frumos se duce in partea cealalta a orasului.

Lucrul este insa curios, din toata gramada aia de obiecte aruncate din avion, plus ce s-a aruncat din interiorul cladirii, tocmai un pasaport, si tocmai unul special s-a gasit? Probabilitatea de a se intampla asa ceva e infima, dar daca am stii ca de fapt s-au gasit si alte chestii din astea, lucurile n-ar mai fi chiar asa de imporobabile.
Si acum vine intrebarea mea: oare acei agenti CIA nu si-au dat seama ca a planta pasaportul, de capul lui,  e o chestie prea gogonata?
Se zice ca o minciuna, ca sa fie crezuta trebuie sa fie una mare de tot, dar asta e valabil pentru prostime numai.

Pisa4you, on 25 aprilie 2013 - 08:32, said:

Rosebud09, on 25 aprilie 2013 - 19:54, said:

Ati dat niste exemple puerile. Aveti bunul simt si faceti diferenta dintre
-un pasaport aruncat pe geam de la etajul xx si
-un pasaport care zboara ca prin minune la impactul unui Boeing 767 cu North Tower (intre etajele 93-99).
Cei aprox. 38 000 L de combustibil din rezervoare nu sunt chiar de neglijat.

nea_caisa, on 26 aprilie 2013 - 10:03, said:

Pasaportul nu a zburat, ca nu avea aripi, ci a fost exact aruncat de forta impactului, cum au fost fost o gramada de alte obiecte. S-au gasit parti din scaunele avionului si veste de salvare pe acoperisul cladirii Bankers Trust, la sud de WTC2. S-a gasit o parte din trenul de aterizare la coltul strazilor West si Rector, tot spre sud (pag. 16 in raportul FEMA: http://www.fema.gov/...fema403_ch2.pdf). Michael Sheehan, un agent de bursa care lucra in primul turn lovit, a gasit in strada un prospect cu itinerariul zborului nr 11. Echipa care a lucrat la Ground Zero a gasit si cardul de bancomat al lui Waleed Iskandar, pasager al zborului nr. 11. FBI si membrii echipelor de investigare au adunat sapte cutii cu obiecte apartinind pasagerilor zborului nr. 93, care a lovit al doilea turn. Au gasit bijuterii, fotografii, carduri de credit, genti, portofel, bani. Vrei detalii despre cine si unde a gasit capete, corpuri, picioare etc.?

Mersi Rosebud pentru idee.

Paginile la care faci trimitere nu-mi sunt noi.
De pe link-ul catre NY Times:  
<<Michael Sheehan, a broker working on the 55th floor of 2 World Trade Center, moved to the stairwell when he realized a plane had crashed into 1 World Trade Center. By the time he reached the 25th floor, he could smell the fumes of fuel that had begun to filter through the ventilation systems of the two buildings.
On the street, standing in a shower of office paper and the siding from the building, he found a piece of paper. It was an airliner's itinerary, listing information about a flight from Boston to Los Angeles.
"I realized then that it was a commercial flight. Then the second plane hit. I realized then it was terror.">>

Hai ca e tare omul, in tot haosul ala a gasit el tocmai foaia cu itinerariul. Numai gogosi servite oitelor.

Edited by nea_caisa, 26 April 2013 - 12:28.

Si din toate astea tu ce zici? A pus cineva hartia acolo? A mintit omul sau au scris aia de la NY Times tampenii?

Here is a list of 24 facts that cannot be debunked about 9/11.
1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. ‘Niels Harrit’, ‘Thermite Bentham’, “The great thermate debate” Jon Cole, ‘Iron rich spheres’ Steven Jones, ‘Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)’. ‘Nano Tubes’
2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. ‘Explosive Evidence’, ‘Blueprint for Truth’, ‘AE911′, ‘Toronto Hearings’, ‘Kevin Ryan’.
3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7′, ‘WTC 7′.
4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. ‘Stand down order’. “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?”. Norman Minetta testimony. “Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.”, ‘NORAD Drills’.
5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was “Setup to fail” Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, “It was a 30 year conspiracy”, “The whitehouse has played cover up”, ‘Max Cleland resigned’, ‘John Farmer’.
6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. ‘Moussaoui trial’ revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. ‘Sheraton Hotel’, “Double tree’, ‘Citgo”.
7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” CIA created, trained and funded “Al Qaeda/Taliban” during the Mujahideen. OBL was a CIA asset named ‘Tim Osman’. OBL Reported dead in Dec 2001 (FOX).
8)100′s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses. “Explosions in the lobby and sub levels”, ‘Firefighter explosions’, ‘Barry Jennings’, ‘William Rodriguez’.
9) 100′s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. “Like you’re in a foundry”, “NIST’s John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metal”, ‘Swiss Cheese’, “As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.” Leslie Robertson’.
10) ’5 Dancing Israeli’s’ arrested in ‘Mossad Truck Bombs’ on 9/11 that stated “We were there to document the event.” ‘Urban Moving Systems’ front company, ‘Dominic Suter’. “$498,750 Business loan (June 2001)”. “Officer DeCarlo’, ‘Art Students’, ‘Israeli Spying’.
11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. ‘Dov Zakheim’ Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of ‘Systems Planning Corporation’ (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.
12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. ’9/11 Whistleblowers’, ‘Patriots for 9/11′. ‘Robert Bowman’, ‘Sibel Edmonds’, ‘Albert Stubblebine’, ‘Wesley Clark’, ‘Mark Dayton’, ‘Alan Sabrosky’, ‘Cyntha McKinney’, ‘Jesse Ventura’, ‘Kurt Sonnenfeld’. “patriotsquestion911.com”
13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). “I designed it for a 707 to hit it”, Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. “Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners”, “like a pencil puncturing screen netting” Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. “As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen.” Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.
14) History of American False Flag attacks. ‘USS Liberty’, ‘Gulf of Tonkin’, ‘Operation Northwoods’, ‘OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)’, ’1993 WTC attacks’. ‘Patrick Clawson’. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed “a New Pearl Harbor”, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”. 9/11 Achieved those goals.
15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports. ‘BBC wtc 7′, ‘Jane Standley’, Ashleigh Banfield’.
16) “Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. “shot down the plane over Pennsylvania” Rumsfeld, “nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there” ‘Chris Konicki. “Not a drop of blood” Coroner Wallace Miller. “there was no plane.” Mayor Ernie Stull.
17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. ‘Jersey Girls’. ‘Phil Zelikow’ already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.
18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons’ affairs with Monica).
19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. “The TV was obviously on.” Was informed about the second impact while reading ‘My Pet Goat’ to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under “attack”.
20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.
21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, ‘KuAm’) which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. ‘Wirt Walker’, ‘Ezra Harel’, ‘ICTS”, ‘WTC power downs’.
22) “Who killed John O’Neil?”. Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O’Neil died in the Towers. ‘Jerome Hauer’ ‘Jules Kroll’.
23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. ‘Put Options.’ Never identified insiders made millions. ‘United and American Airlines’ ‘Raytheon.’
24) At least 7 of the 19 listed highjackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 highjackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the highjacking code. ‘Alive highjackers’, ‘ACARS’, ‘Pilots for 9/11 Truth’.

Edited by jazzu, 14 May 2013 - 09:50.

http://en.wikipedia....tion_Northwoods

trebuie citit documentul asta desecretizat ca sa se vada ca oamenii se gandeau la treburi de genul asta cu mult inainte.
john o'neil mi se pare ca a lucrat la cazul USS cole dar a fost retras de acolo ca cica se apropiase prea mult de adevar.

mi-e clar ca 9-11 a fost opera lui Bush
a reusit sa ramina la putere
plus pretextul ideal ca sa invadeze alte tari
si tapii ispasitori sunt musulmanii
intotdeauna