MIN, componentă prezentă la MINoani și egipteni.Posibila origine.

Posibil cea mai veche legătură și origine pentru particola MIN prezentă atât la minoani cât și la egipteni este în Asia, la dravidieni.
Apoi vedeți cum sună dar și ce înseamnă Ar-MIN /drav. :"7-STARs" 7 stele= PLEIADELE

Reprezentarea grafică a dravidianului/Harappa MIN este peștele


Is there new evidence to further support the 'min' (star/fish) decipherment theory? http://a.harappa.com...pherment-theory http://www.akhabatak...es/image013.gif

Study of the Indus Script by Asko Parpola http://www.harappa.c...ndusscript.html

http://www.thehindu....ticle485447.ece

The underlying language of the Indus script was Proto-Dravidian, Asko Parpola, Professor-Emeritus of Indology, Institute of World Cultures, University of Helsinki, Finland, said on Friday. Declaring that ?an opening to the secrets of the Indus script has been achieved,? Prof. Parpola said the results of his readings kept within narrow limits: fertility cult connected with fig trees, a central Hindu myth associated with astronomy and time-reckoning and chief deities of Hindu and Old Tamil religion.

A Dravidian solution to the Indus script problem Kalaignar M. Karunanidhi Classical Tamil Research Endowment LectureWorld Classical Tamil Conference25-6-2010Coimbatore by Asko Parpola http://webcache.goog...r...oblem&hl=en

The plain ?fish? sign probably has the intended meaning ?fish? on Indus tablets such as H-902 B which seems tomention offering of four pots of fish. In Mesopotamia fish offerings were made in temples, in India fish and meat andstrong drinks were offered to godlings inhabiting sacred trees. That the signs looking like a ?fish? really have thispictorial meaning is certified by the Indus iconography, in which it is placed in the mouth of a fish-eating crocodile.But if phonetic decipherment is possible only in cases where the rebus principle has been employed, how can welocate such cases, and how can we deduce the intended rebus meanings? These are certainly among the mostdifficult tasks. .............. Starting point: the ?fish? signs of the Indus script In Mesopotamian and later Indian onomastics, names of gods are used to form personal names. We can expect tohave theophoric components of proper names and of priestly titles in some fairly large and uniformly distributedgroup of signs in the Indus seals.Although Mesopotamian ECONOMIC texts often record rations of fish, fish is NEVER mentioned inMesopotamian SEAL inscriptions. Yet the ?fish? sign, both plain and modified with various diacritic additions, occursso frequently on Indus seals that almost every tenth sign belongs to this group. This suggests that at least in the IndusSEAL inscriptions, the ?fish? signs denote something else than ?fish? and are used as rebuses.The most commonly used word for ?fish? in Dravidian languages is miin, which has the homophone miinmeaning?star?. Both words may be derivatives of the root min ?to glitter?.Of course, one must check that the words in assumed readings are represented in more than one subgroup andcan be reconstructed for Proto-Dravidian. In addition, the hypotheses must be checked against script-externalevidence. Do the proposed interpretations make sense in the Harappan context, and with regard to the later SouthAsian tradition, and the Mesopotamian contacts? There is some external evidence supporting the proposed Dravidian rebus reading of the ?fish? sign. The motifsfish and star co-occur on Mature Harappan painted pottery. Tamil speakers, who call these two things with the sameword, have imagined the stars to be fish swimming in the ocean of night sky.Additional support for reading the ?fish? sign as a rebus for ?star? is the absence of a sign depicting ?star? from theIndus script, although the ?star? symbol is painted and incised on Early Harappan pottery. The omission of a ?star?pictogram from the script is understandable as an economic measure, as the ?fish? sign covers the meaning ?star? aswell.The rebus meaning ?star? suits the expected meaning ?god? as a component of proper names in seal inscriptions.Whenever a god or goddess is mentioned in cuneiform texts, the pictogram of ?star? is prefixed to the name as itsdeterminative, to indicate that what follows is divine. In the Sumerian script, the ?star? pictogram means not only?god? but also?sky?. ?Star? is thought to have originally been an attribute of the sky-god An. With An as the leadingdivinity of the Sumerian pantheon, his symbol would then have started to mean ?god? in general. Astronomy, includingthe use of a star calendar, played an important role in ancient Mesopotamia, and deeply influenced the religion: all themain gods were symbolized by particular stars or planets.In the Near East, the ?star? symboldistinguished divinities even in pictorial representations.Significantly, a seal from Mohenjo-daro depicts an Indusdeity with a star on either side of his head in this NearEastern fashion.The ?fish? signs could well have beenparts of Harappan proper names, for ever since Vedictimes people in India have had astral names derivedfrom their birth stars. There are indications that this kindof name-giving is of non-Aryan origin. Methodology: Checking and verifying The hypotheses can and must be subjected to script-internal checking in the manner of cross-word puzzles.One cannot overemphasize the importance of thisoperation. If we apply exactly the same assumptions and methods of interpretation to signs associated with an interpreted sign in a compound sign or in a recurring signsequence, do we get sensible results? If yes, these provisional results must be subjected to further external checking:Are the posited compound words actually attested in Dravidian languages and not mere imagination? Particularlyimportant is Old Tamil literature, the only ancient Dravidian source not much contaminated by Indo-Aryan languagesand traditions. Interlocking of consistent readings with each other and with external linguistic data and clues constitutesthe essence of all decipherments. Compounds formed with ?fish? signs and Indian mythology The numerals belong to those few Indus signs whose function and meaning can be deduced with fair certainty, partlyfrom the fact that they consist of groups of vertical strokes, which is the way numerals are represented in manyancient scripts, partly from their mutual interchangeability before specific signs, including the plain ?fish?. Reading thesequence ?6? + ?fish? in Dravidian yields the Old Tamil name of the Pleiades, aru-miin, literally ?6 stars?. Note thatthe numeral attribute precedes its headword in the Indus script as it did in Proto-Dravidian, but by no means in everylanguage of the world.?7? + ?fish? corresponds to the Old Tamil name of Ursa Major, eZu-miin. This sequence forms the entire inscription on one big seal from Harappa (H-9).In Mesopotamia big dedicatory seals weresometimes presented to divinities. The stars of UrsaMajor have since Vedic times been identified with theancient ?Seven Sages?. These mythical ancestors ofpriestly clans play an important role in early Indianmythology.Because the Pleiades constitute the firstconstellation of the Vedic star calendar, its heliacal riseat the vernal equinox is thought to have marked thebeginning of the New Year. This and the position of themarking stars in the sky dates the calendar to the twenty-third century BCE and suggests its Harappan origin.The Vedic people did not inherit the calendar from theIndo-Iranian tradition but adopted it in India. Vedic texts prescribe the kindling of sacred fires under the Pleiades, because the Pleiades now have the Fire-God Agni as their mate. We are told that the Pleiades were the wives of the Seven Sages, but are now precludedfrom intercourse with their husbands, who divorced them. Therefore the Pleiades now rise in the east, while theSeven Sages (that is, the stars of Ursa Major) are in the north. The Fire God Agni mentioned as the mate of thePleiades apparently represents the young vernal sun, whose conjunction with the Pleiades started the New Year.Later Sanskrit texts tell the myth in more detail and in several variant forms. According to them, the Fire GodAgni (or the great ascetic god ?iva) seduced the Pleiades in the absence of their husbands, the Seven Sages. Theywere divorced. Only Arundhatii, the faithful wife of Sage VasiSTha, could not be seduced. She could remain as thestar Alcor with her husband, the star Mizar of Ursa Major (see fig. 13).This is really one of the central myths of the Hindu religion. In a Puranic version, God ?iva seduced six of thewives of the absent Seven Sages in their Himalayan hermitage. The Sages cursed ?iva?s phallus to fall down. Thephallus started to burn the world and stopped only when the Sages placed it on a vulva-shaped platform andworshipped it with cooling water-libations. This is how the cult of ?iva?s linga or phallus originated. ?iva, one of thegreatest gods of Hinduism, has mostly the phallus as his cult icon since the earliest historical times. ?iva?s Vedicpredecessor Rudra is thought to be of non-Aryan origin. In Vedic texts, Rudra is euphemistically called ?iva?benign?, and equated with the Fire god Agni as is ?iva in the Pleiades myth.

Mă opresc aici cu extrasul.

Foarte interesant, reprezentarea unei zeități antropomorfe ce aduce a pește se regăsește la sumerieni unde este Enki,U+anOannes apoi la semiți DAGan.

Destul de interesant, cu mii de ani înainte de sumerieni și cu atât mai mult de semiți găsim la Lepenski Vir zeitatea antropomorfă cu chip de pește.

Nu sânt singurul care semnalez o asemenea prezență cu mult timp înainte de sumerieni înEuropa.
Dar poate sânt singurul care susțin originea acestui simbol și zeități aici, și afirm că se numea DAG.

Acest DAG este prezent mai în toate ramurile lingvistice care aparțin de Nostratică.
În aceste familii înseamnă foc, strălucitor, zori (ai zilei) și altele asemenea.

Este prezent, repet în proto-dravidiană, limbile cartveliene,sumeriană, IE.

Numele DAG esteai apoi prezent în multe limbi și are la bază conceptul de strălucire.

DAG: "de foc, STARlucitor=STĂRlucitor">în alte familii de limbi> "pește,munte (vârf strălucitor),zori de zi, strălucirea zilei, zi"
Oannes,dagan eroul civilizator sumerian An-Zu, ieșit din apă care a adus sumerienilor toate cunoștințele.

An-Zu,En-Ki, U-An.Oanne,IOANes,IONas iețit din pântecele monstrului,balenei.

DAG înseamnă STRĂLUCITORul, prea-STĂRlucitor-ul,regăsit apoi târziu în familia IE ca DAG zi.
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Edited by eugenrau, 19 March 2011 - 14:04.