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#55
Posted 24 April 2017 - 18:20
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Dacă nici ăștia nu sunt autentici.... A fost o vreme când circula pe fb filmulețul.
Eu i-aș fi plimbat prin toată lumea, ar fi spart scena! [ https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/QVOoSg8D61A?feature=oembed - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ] Pe bune, chiar mi-ar plăcea să-nvăț pașii. 
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#56
Posted 24 April 2017 - 23:59
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Laberta, on 24 aprilie 2017 - 16:55, said:
Găsisem pe youtube și clipul tău care mi-a plăcut, dar lipsește din el mutul, care e personajul-cheie din ritual, de-aia nu l-am pus. Iar filmul tău e făcut și dat tot pe vremea comuniștilor. In anii '50 inca se mai promova folclorul autentic. Inca se mai crea folclor autentic. Marile ansambluri folclorice au distrus orice urma de autenticitate. Iar muzica lautareasca a devenit indezirabila. Ceva lumpenproletar si nu tocmai romanesc. Laberta, on 24 aprilie 2017 - 18:20, said:
Dacă nici ăștia nu sunt autentici.... Sunt autentici dar tot vai de mama lor. Daca calusul ar fi campionatul de fotbal, astia ar evolua in divizia X. Desigur, nu poti sa ai echipe de divizia A daca nu exista toate esaloanele inferioare. |
#57
Posted 25 April 2017 - 18:27
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Super de acord. Toate lalaitele alea rujate si pe tocuri, facute permanent sau toti burtosii aia aparand la tv sa-si faca reclama pentru program la nunti au facut praf folclorul. Ocazie cu care sa-i dea Dumnezeu sanatate lui Fabris. Foarte vizibil si la Calus, am vazut o varianta in care era aproape precum dansurile irlandeze, cu pasi extrem de elastici, ori la origine nu avea asa ceva, nu era clovni la circ.
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#58
Posted 25 April 2017 - 19:48
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Ceva legaturi cred ca sunt intre calusul nostru si morrisul englezesc...
Adica "bastinasii" din teritoriile ocupate de romani din insula englezeasca, or fi vazut cum dansau dacii din armata romana, si au incercat si ei sa preia dupa puteri. Se vede diferenta in executie si tempo: ai nostri sunt mai rapizi si degaja energie... Englezii (si nemtii) parca sunt femei cu bete, vorba cuiva. (Femei grase sau gravide, adaug eu.) Edited by Malus_Dacus, 25 April 2017 - 19:49. |
#59
Posted 25 April 2017 - 20:59
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Pe ce te bazezi cand presupui ca dansul calusului ar fi fost dansat de daci?
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#60
Posted 25 April 2017 - 21:06
#61
Posted 25 April 2017 - 21:11
#62
Posted 25 April 2017 - 21:23
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Mount_Yerrmom, on 25 aprilie 2017 - 21:11, said:
Prezenta acestui dans pe intreg limesul roman indica in directia contrara. o fi din cauza ca in toga e mai complicat sa sari si sa tropai ca turbatii. http://www.perseus.t...:tlg,0032,006:6 Xenophon, Anabasis, VI: After they had made libations and sung the paean, two Thracians rose up first and began a dance in full armour to the music of a flute, leaping high and lightly and using their sabres; finally, one struck the other, as everybody thought, and the second man fell, in a rather skilful way. [6] And the Paphlagonians set up a cry. Then the first man despoiled the other of his arms and marched out singing the Sitalcas, while other Thracians carried off the fallen dancer, as though he were dead; in fact, he had not been hurt at all Edited by leogoto, 25 April 2017 - 21:25. |
#63
Posted 25 April 2017 - 21:48
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Quote After this some Aenianians and Magnesians arose and danced under arms the so-called carpaea.4 [8] The manner of the dance was this: a man is sowing and driving a yoke of oxen, his arms laid at one side, and he turns about frequently as one in fear; a robber approaches; as soon as the sower sees him coming, he snatches up his arms, goes to meet him, and fights with him to save his oxen. The two men do all this in rhythm to the music of the flute. Finally, the robber binds the man and drives off the oxen; or sometimes the master of the oxen binds the robber, and then he yokes him alongside the oxen, his hands tied behind him, and drives off. [9] After this a Mysian came in carrying a light shield in each hand, and at one moment in his dance he would go through a pantomime as though two men were arrayed against him, again he would use his shields as though against one antagonist, and again he would whirl and throw somersaults while holding the shields in his hands, so that the spectacle was a fine one. [10] Lastly, he danced the Persian dance, clashing his shields together and crouching down and then rising up again; and all this he did, keeping time to the music of the flute. [11] After him the Mantineans and some of the other Arcadians arose, arrayed in the finest arms and accoutrements they could command, and marched in time to the accompaniment of a flute playing the martial rhythm and sang the paean and danced, just as the Arcadians do in their festal processions in honour of the gods. And the Paphlagonians, as they looked on, thought it most strange that all the dances were under arms. [12] Thereupon the Mysian, seeing how astounded they were, persuaded one of the Arcadians who had a dancing girl to let him bring her in, after dressing her up in the finest way he could and giving her a light shield. [13] And she danced the Pyrrhic5 with grace. Then there was great applause, and the Paphlagonians asked whether women also fought by their side. And the Greeks replied that these women were precisely the ones who put the King to flight from his camp. Such was the end of that evening. [14] |
#64
Posted 25 April 2017 - 22:09
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#65
Posted 26 April 2017 - 01:41
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Inteleg ca identificarea de catre tine in povestea lui Xenophan a calusului este abysmala.
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#66
Posted 26 April 2017 - 15:06
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Mount_Yerrmom, on 25 aprilie 2017 - 20:59, said:
Pe ce te bazezi cand presupui ca dansul calusului ar fi fost dansat de daci? Pentru ca spre deosbire de "dansul maur" (nu morisca, ffs), Calusarii au o dimensiune traditionala, mistica si un rol, o functiune. "Dansul maur" este o prosteala de curte care de-abia in secolul 17 a trecut in zona taranilor si este legat strict de festiv, exact ce intelegem azi prin "dans". Nu a existat nicio organizatie care sa danseze ritualic "dansul maurilor" ca si celebrare a fertilitatii si rit de vindecare, pasager in conflict cu biserica, cu obligatie de abstinenta legata de dans samd precum in cazul Calusarilor. Dansul din Anglia are cel mai bun corespondent in interpretarea Calusarilor de catre un ansamblu folcloric. De ce ar fi transmis romanii intr-o singura parte a lumii un rit atat de plin de semnificatie, iar in alta l-ar fi dus doar ca o distractie nobiliara pentru inainte de vin? |
#67
Posted 28 April 2017 - 10:34
#68
Posted 28 April 2017 - 11:21
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https://www.youtube....?v=2U06IwRkj7Q.
https://www.youtube....?v=ct949VnvqOs. Astea sînt dansurile rituale Edited by Plotin, 28 April 2017 - 11:30. |
#69
Posted 28 April 2017 - 16:51
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skandal, on 26 aprilie 2017 - 15:06, said:
De ce ar fi transmis romanii intr-o singura parte a lumii un rit atat de plin de semnificatie, iar in alta l-ar fi dus doar ca o distractie nobiliara pentru inainte de vin? Poti lua in calcul si faptul ca dimensiunea ritualica a dansului s-a pierdut in Occident inainte ca aceasta sa fie consemnata. Cum, de altfel, s-a pierdut si-n cazul calusului. Doar ca mult mai tarziu. |
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#70
Posted 28 April 2017 - 17:17
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#71
Posted 28 April 2017 - 17:20
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Aia sunt calusari pe cat stiu eu sa cant lalaiala aia din taragot.
Edited by Mount_Yerrmom, 28 April 2017 - 17:23. |
#72
Posted 28 April 2017 - 18:46
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Uite-i p-astia, si cu nebun si cu ceva ritual la inceput
[ https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/cYWYRPGs-o4?feature=oembed - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ] Si astia-s foarte buni [ https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/fP4gChuM8I4?feature=oembed - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ] Edited by Mount_Yerrmom, 28 April 2017 - 18:46. |
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