DVB-T in Prahova, Ploiesti, etc

DVB-T Ploiesti

Antena: DIPOL 44/21-69 Tri Digital (Code: A2680) (16,8db)
Zona: Ploiesti, Malu Rosu
Amplasare: pe bloc cu 4 etaje
Receptie: tunerul de la Tvix M-6500A (Tvix 6500)
Semnal: ~20dB 82%
Orientare: orizontala - spre Bucuresti
Echimamente suplimetare: nimic deocamdata

Nu cumparati odata cu ea si amplificator din acela tip placuta SWA cu alimentator deoarece nu vi se va potrivi la gaurile dipolului. Nu va lasati pacaliti de vanzator cum ca au mai testat si altii. Si eu am fost pacalit cu o asemenea placuta (desi am insistat pe tema asta catre vanzator) cu care nu am ce face pentru ca desi am adaptat-o la acel dipol mai rau facea decat sa imbunatateasca semnalul. Daca vreti amplificare, testati mai intai antena asa cum vine ea si dupa aceea cumparati amplificatorul, dar nu tip placuta.

Posturi receptionate:
1. TVR 1 (CH 54)
2. TVR 2 (CH 54)
3. TVR HD (CH 54)
4. National TV (CH 59)
5. Realitatea TV (CH 59)
6. Antena 1 (CH 59)
7. TVR Cultural (CH 59)
8. TVR 3 (CH 59)
9. Antena 3 (CH 59)

Din pacate la ora actuala si cu dotarea/pozitia de acum a antenei, nu prinde canalul 30 pe care emite ProTV HD si Sport.ro HD.

Poze antena (facute cu telefonul mobil):
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Poze TViX (facute tot cu telefonul mobil):
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>> DOWNLOAD TVR HD exemplu HD <<

ID							   : 12C
Complete name					: N:\DTV_REC\TVR HD\[2009]12-10(Thu) TVR HD.tp
Format						   : MPEG-TS
File size						: 62.8 MiB
Duration						 : 36s 624ms
Overall bit rate				 : 14.4 Mbps

Video
ID							   : 1511 (0x5E7)
Menu ID						  : 15 (0xF)
Format						   : AVC
Format/Info					  : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile				   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC		   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames		: 4 frames
Duration						 : 36s 600ms
Bit rate						 : 13.2 Mbps
Width							: 1 920 pixels
Height						   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio			 : 16:9
Frame rate					   : 25.000 fps
Resolution					   : 24 bits
Colorimetry					  : 4:2:0
Scan type						: Interlaced
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)			   : 0.256
Stream size					  : 57.8 MiB (92%)
Color primaries				  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics		 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients			  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID							   : 1502 (0x5DE)
Menu ID						  : 15 (0xF)
Format						   : MPEG Audio
Format version				   : Version 1
Format profile				   : Layer 2
Duration						 : 36s 624ms
Bit rate mode					: Constant
Bit rate						 : 128 Kbps
Channel(s)					   : 2 channels
Sampling rate					: 48.0 KHz
Resolution					   : 16 bits
Video delay					  : -617ms
Stream size					  : 572 KiB (1%)

>> DOWNLOAD TVR 2 exemplu SD <<

ID							   : 12C
Complete name					: N:\DTV_REC\TVR 2\[2009]12-10(Thu) TVR 2.tp
Format						   : MPEG-TS
File size						: 12.6 MiB
Duration						 : 30s 720ms
Overall bit rate				 : 3 427 Kbps

Video
ID							   : 610 (0x262)
Menu ID						  : 2 (0x2)
Format						   : MPEG Video
Format version				   : Version 2
Format profile				   : Main@Main
Format settings, Matrix		  : Default
Duration						 : 30s 720ms
Bit rate mode					: Constant
Bit rate						 : 2 997 Kbps
Nominal bit rate				 : 3 100 Kbps
Width							: 720 pixels
Height						   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio			 : 4:3
Frame rate					   : 25.000 fps
Standard						 : PAL
Colorimetry					  : 4:2:0
Scan type						: Interlaced
Scan order					   : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)			   : 0.289
Stream size					  : 11.0 MiB (87%)

Audio
ID							   : 600 (0x258)
Menu ID						  : 2 (0x2)
Format						   : MPEG Audio
Format version				   : Version 1
Format profile				   : Layer 2
Duration						 : 30s 720ms
Bit rate mode					: Constant
Bit rate						 : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)					   : 2 channels
Sampling rate					: 48.0 KHz
Resolution					   : 16 bits
Video delay					  : -411ms
Stream size					  : 720 KiB (6%)
Language						 : Romanian

enjoy,
Mtz

PS: nu incercati cu jegurile de antene gratar din obor. Constructia si mai ales conceptia lor este defectuoasa/dezastruoasa/handicapata (dipol perpendicular pe gratar ???!!!!) si nu are nicio treaba cu o antena "normala la cap".

Edited by Mtz, 09 January 2010 - 17:56.

cu putin noroc ar trebuie sa prinzi si cele 2 canale HD dupa canalul 30  

am citit mai demult pe forum, ca se prindea inclusiv Pro TV HD in Ploiesti  

Cu un tuner simplu DVB-T cu antena din dotare , am vreo șansă să prind ceva HD ? Locația : Ploiești , Sala Sporturilor Olimpia.

pai daca tunnerul DVB-T stie MPEG 4 o sa prinzi canalele HD !
daca tunnerul nu are MPEG 4, o sa ai doar sunet pe ele, fara imagine !

daca ai un astfel de tunner ia si incearca  

catalinman, on 11th December 2009, 06:33, said:

Am înțeles că acest lucru se poate rezolva cu anumite codecuri/softuri.

Nu am încă , însă mă gândesc serios să-mi cumpăr.

Mersi


L.E - Ce ziceți de acest model de tuner ? Merită ? http://www.pcfun.ro/...-x3m-he2500-x3m

Edited by G-Unit//FuLLReSpecT, 10 December 2009 - 22:46.

e excelent tv tunnerul ala, vad ca stie DVB-T MPEG 4 si nici scump nu e

catalinman, on 11th December 2009, 06:49, said:

Mersi încă odată pentru părere. Pe mine mă încântă la el câteva aspecte :

1. NU e Kworld.
2. Extern.
3. Are telecomandă.
4. Prețul.

daca polarizarea e oriozntala semanlul se atenueaza cu 25% , deoarece se emite vertical .

G-Unit//FuLLReSpecT, on 10th December 2009, 22:18, said:

neaparat iti trebuie prelungitor USB sa urci receptorul cat mai sus si antena ciot sa o pui pe un plan metalic afara cu vedere spre Bucuresti, indoor in Ploiesti cred ca e exclus sa ai semnal corect
Mie asa imi merg toate perfect la Fundulea 33.1 km de Bucuresti, antena fiind pe streasina casei-deschidere spre Buc, doar acolo am semnal pe toate TS-urile, cel mai bine vine ProTV-ul, cel mai slab Realitatea.
Daca nu merge cu antena ciot din dotare iti trebuie o antena mai serioasa !
Zv. are dreptate, pe vertical merge mai bine, dar la antena ciot foarte mult castigi din amplasare, cand gasesti semnalul poate fi 100%, cativa cm mai la stanga sau dreapta si se pierde....

rvic77, on 11th December 2009, 20:31, said:

Și chiar am un cablu usb lung și n-am ce face cu el se pare că îi voi găsi întrebuințare

Edited by G-Unit//FuLLReSpecT, 11 December 2009 - 11:38.

Daca folosesti prelungitoare USB mai lungi de 6m, vei avea pierderi de date. Se poate atenua cu huburi, dar te complici.

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80% cat aveam eu minus aia 25% de care zici tu inseamna 55%, ceea ce e poate, prea putin.
Am pus-o pe vertical si imi prinde acum canalul 30, dar normal ca mi le pierde pe celelalte 2 in care aveam 9 programe...
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Bine ca e antena desteapta pentru ca desi se spune despre ea ca e doar pentru pozitie orizontala, in profilul principal (teava principala) de care se leaga partea de sustinere pe catarg are inca 2 gauri pentru a se prinde suportul pentru pozitia verticala. Adica profilul patrat este gaurit pe toate fetele pentru a se putea prinde suportul si la 180 de grade.
O chestie curioasa la suportul de prindere ar fi niste gauri de reglare a antenei sus-jos, numai ca daca ar fi sa pozitionez antena in respectivele pozitii, antena s-ar orienta numai catre in jos, sub diferite unghiuri. Niciodata in sus.

Normal ca n-o sa stau sa frec antena din vertical in orizontal si o sa raman la o pozitie anume, dar de ce dreq n-or fi inventat astia "dipolul in cruce" care sa prinda si H si V ???

Streamul complet de la trustul PRO:

ID							   : 1
Complete name					: N:\DTV_REC\Sport.ro HD\[2009]12-12(Sat) STIRI Sport.ro ora 10.00.tp
Format						   : MPEG-TS
File size						: 49.7 MiB
Duration						 : 17s 600ms
Start time					   : UTC 2009-12-12 08:59:16
End time						 : UTC 2009-12-12 08:59:33
Overall bit rate				 : 23.7 Mbps
Network name					 : ProTv

Video #1
ID							   : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID						  : 101 (0x65)
Format						   : AVC
Format/Info					  : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile				   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC		   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames		: 4 frames
Duration						 : 17s 320ms
Width							: 1 920 pixels
Height						   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio			 : 16:9
Frame rate					   : 25.000 fps
Resolution					   : 24 bits
Colorimetry					  : 4:2:0
Scan type						: MBAFF
Color primaries				  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics		 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients			  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Video #2
ID							   : 356 (0x164)
Menu ID						  : 102 (0x66)
Format						   : AVC
Format/Info					  : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile				   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC		   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames		: 4 frames
Duration						 : 17s 600ms
Width							: 1 920 pixels
Height						   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio			 : 16:9
Frame rate					   : 25.000 fps
Resolution					   : 24 bits
Colorimetry					  : 4:2:0
Scan type						: Interlaced
Scan order					   : Top Field First
Color primaries				  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics		 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients			  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio #1
ID							   : 258 (0x102)
Menu ID						  : 101 (0x65)
Format						   : MPEG Audio
Format version				   : Version 1
Format profile				   : Layer 2
Duration						 : 17s 424ms
Bit rate mode					: Constant
Bit rate						 : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)					   : 2 channels
Sampling rate					: 48.0 KHz
Resolution					   : 16 bits
Video delay					  : -1s 15ms
Stream size					  : 408 KiB (1%)
Language						 : Romanian

Audio #2
ID							   : 358 (0x166)
Menu ID						  : 102 (0x66)
Format						   : MPEG Audio
Format version				   : Version 1
Format profile				   : Layer 2
Duration						 : 17s 448ms
Bit rate mode					: Constant
Bit rate						 : 256 Kbps
Channel(s)					   : 2 channels
Sampling rate					: 48.0 KHz
Resolution					   : 16 bits
Video delay					  : 10h 53mn
Stream size					  : 545 KiB (1%)
Language						 : Romanian

Menu #1
ID							   : 257 (0x101)
Menu ID						  : 101 (0x65)
List							 : 256 (0x100) (AVC) / 258 (0x102) (MPEG Audio, Romanian)
Service name					 : Pro Tv HD
Service provider				 : ProTv
Service type					 : digital television
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Menu #2
ID							   : 360 (0x168)
Menu ID						  : 102 (0x66)
List							 : 356 (0x164) (AVC) / 358 (0x166) (MPEG Audio, Romanian)
Service name					 : Sport.ro HD
Service provider				 : ProTv
Service type					 : digital television
Maximum bit rate				 : 11499600
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enjoy,
Mtz

Edited by Mtz, 14 December 2009 - 11:58.

Salut. Ai cumparat antena din Romania ? Daca raspunsul este da, de unde si la ce pret ?
Multumesc.

Din Romania. 155 lei fara transport. Daca vrei firma, pe privat, ca nu stiu daca merita sa le fac reclama.

enjoy,
Mtz

Teoretic DVB-T este vertical , daca ar fi soft orizontal pierderea este de 15dB pe semnal si trebuiau sa emitta cu 5kw sa zicem sa faca ce face unu de 1,5k vertical . . Bun deci tu mai ai ceva , o reflexie mica de iti rasuceste nitel semnalul . Exista MIXED dipole , am construit eu dar pe FM . ala are 2 chestii : H elements from Base , Vertical element from base !

Nu stiu ce pierdere pot avea emisiile pe orizontal, dar chestia e ca prind canalele 54 si 59 fara vreo amplificare de la peste 50km distanta si am semnal de 82% dupa cum am spus in primul post si nu cred eu ca releele alea sa aiba cine stie ce putere.
Chestia cu "reflexia mica ce imi rasuceste semnalul" nu am inteles-o. Dupa cum am mai spus aici, prind toate cele 3 canale fara probleme, singurul inconvenient fiind faptul ca nu pot folosi o singura antena pentru toate.

Chestia cu "mixed dipole" era interesanta in cazul meu doar daca se putea modifica foarte simplu ceva la antena pe care deja o am. Oare daca mai ridic vreo 2 metri antena in sus (nu am avut scara si de aceea este doar la 2m inaltime fata de tarasamentul blocului) as avea vreo sansa la protv (canalul 30) mentinand antena orizontala?

enjoy,
Mtz

Edited by Mtz, 14 December 2009 - 23:03.

Nu se poate modifica , exact , deoarece strici lobul directivitatii cu care i-si culege semnal !
In orice publicare figureaza ca DVB-t e Vertical si nu orizontal . Siteurile de mare putere alea ar trebuie a fie orizontale dar cu tzeava de tuica spre antene , adica sa urce power garla sa poata sa acopere si bine !  Da de acord .
54 din nord si 59 din sud . Insa 59 ii da capace lu' nea 54 ca semnal deoarece releul de la berceni e mult mai inalt ca sta pe o elevatie mult mai buna .

59 poate sa ii dea capace forever lui 54 ca eu stau in nord si cred ca asta e bine pentru mine.
Daca verticalul e de baza, de ce nu ii obliga cineva pe astia sa emita toti in vertical, de exemplu? Mi se parea corect ca al doilea care a inceput sa emita sa isi cumpere scule de emis (oare sunt speciale pentru vertical si orizontal?) sau sa emita tot la fel cum a facut-o si primul.

Ar fi trebuit sa inventeze astia ceva ca sa impace si capra si varza: antena amplasata la 45 de grade, care prinde si H si V.

enjoy,
Mtz

Edited by Mtz, 14 December 2009 - 23:07.