De ce a apărut Windows 11?

Întrebarea e simplă: de ce au hotărât cei de la Microsoft că ar fi cazul să aducă o versiune nouă de Windows? Mi se pare că puteau foarte bine să introducă toate modificările de rigoare prin cumulative updates 21H2. Windows 11 e upgrade gratuit la Windows 10, deci ce are Microsoft de câștigat din asta? Licențele OEM se vând indiferent că vorbim de Windows 10 sau 11, bănuiesc că prețul va fi similar.

Teoria mea e că încearcă să ne facă să folosim Edge cu Bing, am înțeles că meniul lor folosește exclusiv Bing și Edge. Alt motiv ar putea fi că încearcă să ne facă să renunțăm la hardware-ul vechi și să cumpărăm calculatoare noi, cu licențe noi, de aici și cerințele de sistem exagerate.

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“Here are nine possible justifications for Microsoft's decision to roll out a major update, which some suspect could be called Windows 11, instead of just another twice-per-year enhancement to Windows 10:

It's good for business. Shipping new versions of big products such as Windows has in the past led to increases in Microsoft's revenue growth rate, the company has said. That has come about in part as a result of people buying PCs with Microsoft software pre-installed by manufacturers. Historically, Windows has had a higher operating margin than the whole of Microsoft, and keeping Windows growing can make the company more profitable.
Tough comps. The coronavirus benefited PC makers including Microsoft as people rushed to buy computers to work and take classes at home. Technology industry research company Gartner estimated that PC shipments in 2020 grew faster than they had in a decade. That lifted growth rates for Windows license revenue tied to consumer PCs. As a result, Microsoft could release Windows updates that entice people to buy new machines, so that comparing results against the pandemic computer crush doesn't make for weak presentations to investors.
The Google threat. The threat from Google's Chrome OS has arguably never been bigger, as people sprang for low-cost Chromebook laptops running the Google operating system instead of more traditional Windows or Apple macOS computers. According to Gartner, computer makers shipped 11.7 million Chromebooks in 2020. That's still small compared with the 79.4 million shipments of PCs, but Chromebooks grew 200% while PCs grew about 11%. The challenge facing Microsoft is to entice people to return.
The Apple threat. Apple has posed a threat to the Windows ecosystem by introducing Mac computers that run its own Arm-based M1 chips, which boast more impressive battery life than Intel-based PCs. Microsoft and other PC makers have come out with Arm-based Windows 10 computers, but software compatibility issues have made the machines hard for reviewers to recommend. Microsoft could improve that situation. "If Microsoft and the PC OEM ecosystem is able to offer a nearly-identical user experience across Windows on x86 and Windows on Arm for the fat tail of productivity applications that really matter for users, plus longer battery life, performance per watt, and 5G (via Qualcomm) approaching that of the M1, we think it would be a big winner for Windows," Rosenblatt Securities analyst John McPeake, who has a buy rating on Microsoft stock, wrote in a note distributed to analysts on Thursday.
Boosting Surface. It's not nearly as big as Windows or other Microsoft franchises such as Azure and Office, but Microsoft still sells its own line of Surface PCs that could be made more intriguing on shelves. Surface revenue grew more than 30% in the second and third quarters of 2020, but that's still far from Chromebook-style growth. A reinvigorated Windows might make consumers take a second look at the Surface Pro convertible tablet, whose basic hardware design hasn't changed all that much since its 2012 debut.
Getting older. By pumping out two Windows 10 updates per year, Microsoft is making sure the operating system is staying fresh. It's still almost 6 years old, which means it's been around longer than any of its predecessors.
Enhancing the brand. A fresh new Windows could help with the company's overall perception. Windows 10 is the world's most popular operating system, with over 1.3 billion devices using it. If the company can persuade users that the operating system is evolving, they might feel that innovation at the company is alive and well, and that might make them more willing to pay for other Microsoft products, such as Office productivity software subscriptions.
Developers. If Windows gets revamped, software developers might want to bring their software to the operating system to capitalize on renewed public attention. "Windows, of course, succeeded in large part because developers chose to build their applications for Windows," Chris Capossela, Microsoft's chief marketing officer, said during a conversation with Evercore analyst Kirk Materne on Monday. The company could benefit by getting more hot properties into its app store for Windows. If people spend more time in the store, they might also spend more money in the store.
The pursuit of perfection. There is still room to improve parts of Windows 10, which annoys some users with product promotions and alerts about software updates. "Our aspiration with Windows 10 is to move people from needing to choosing to loving Windows," Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella told analysts on a conference call days before the company released the operating system in 2015. A documentation page on Microsoft's website says that "Windows 10 has a much higher Net Promoter score than Windows 7." That means users are more likely to recommend Windows 10 to friends or colleagues. It's a positive development, but it doesn't mean that Microsoft has achieved Nadella's Windows nirvana.”


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Probabil au ceva intelegere cu producatorii de hardware, primind ceva in schimb-ul unui Windows care cere hardware mai nou.
Windows 11 are cerinte cam duble fata de Windows 10.
PS: In cazul spatiului pentru OS pe SSD/HDD chiar mai mult decat duble.

Edited by JustXXL, 04 July 2021 - 22:05.

Anul si cârlanul, de aceea.
Nu vreau sa divaghez discutia, dar sunt pe Linux de la sfarsitul anului trecut si imi dau seama cata bataie de cap am avut cu Windows. Bine, cu asta, a trebuit sa invat cate ceva altfel, dar...am totul gratis si navighez in mai mult siguranta, pentru moment macar.
Revenind la WIndows. Microsoft da drumul cate unui SO, pentru...bani. Ca Vista NU era de vandut, apoi nici Windows 8, de aceea impreuna cu toate actualziarile, s-a numit 8.1 si a fost cel mai bun WIndows de pana acum. 11 este Windows 10 cu tot ce trebuie (reparat sper). Daca vine tot cu actualizari obligatorii, iar nu-i bine. Totusi, intr-un final, au vazut si ei ca omul vrea free, de aceea, Windows 10 a fost mai usor de utilizat fara bani.

Cel mai bun a fost Xp la vremea lui și după aia 7.
8.1 e un gunoi

waterman, on 04 iulie 2021 - 22:11, said:

Nu stiu ce ai facut cu el. Pentru mine, 8.1 a fost peste 7. Si eu am fost un heavy user.

Microsoft renunta la vinzarea os-ului.
Trece la abonament .

YOUR_GOD, on 04 iulie 2021 - 22:34, said:

Mie mi se pare mai greoi 8 și 8.1
Pe sisteme pe care 7 era decent, 8 cu câteva update-uri devenea un chin.

Și nu sunt doar user, mi-au trecut sute de sisteme prin mâna.
Doar acum in momentul de fata am vreo 70 și ceva mentenanța permanenta.

E drept ca e și chestie de gusturi dar mie 8 nu mi-a plăcut

Încă am 7 pe desktopul vechi și pe un laptop Hp, pe desktopul nou și pe un laptop samsung am 10.
Eu nu trec la 11.

Eu mai am 8.1 pe PC. W10 a adus o grămadă de incompatibilități cu unele periferice.

Care e minim de cpu ptr acest sistem operational?

Merge pe sempron celeron mai vechi de 2010? Merge si pe telefon si celular si alte dispozitive? Am auzit ca zice ca un aiatem operativ la toate aparatele de calcul

Acestea au fost fara raspunsuri as avea si o intrebari daca acum ca observam ca e evident ca spre deosebire de anii 1990 2000 sau 2010 acum nr de calculatoare in plina descrestere ptr ca oamenii folosesc android si alte dispozitive si aingura folosainta este internetul cu ceva retele sociale. Ms se confrunta cu o peovocare de neimaginat in primul rand piata tot mai mica ai apoi concurenta ptr marele public care cum ziceam se rezuma la browsing.

Cred ca aceste corporatii se vor dedea la lucruri nasoale ca sa pastreze conusmerismul si profitul

Sempron sau celeron gâfâie și cu w10

Daca ai un PC de ultima generatie, nu vad rostul sa stai pe OS vechi, pe aia cu Semproane si Celeroane ii inteleg.

Legat de cerinte, mie mi se par de bun simt, la cat a evoluat hardware-ul in ziua azi, TPM 2.0 am pe piese lansate acum 2 ani de zile.

Prin Windows 11 se acordă un ''sprijin'' producătorilor de hardware, nu frățesc, desigur, ci pe bani, mulți bani, altfel noile cerințe impuse nu prea au sens.

poate fi un simplu update cu nume nou, orice societare are nevoie să aducă produse noi în mod constant, un exemplu simplu e windows 8.
noutatea crește prețul la bursă, și-n 10 și-n 11 pot lua datele noastre cum vor ei.

Edited by mirceabarbulescu, 04 July 2021 - 23:22.

Toate mi-au placut, de la 95 in sus. Vista in schimb era o mizerie.

horny_hornet, on 04 iulie 2021 - 21:53, said:

21H2 chiar este win 11, toti cu 10 il primesc daca au toate conditiile.
Fiecare sistem vine cu un update de hardware, asa a fost intotdeauna.
Oricum win 10 vine cu full suport pana in 2025 asa ca nu e nicio graba in a upgrada la 11... in rest cine l-a testat a avut cuvinte de lauda, cica e mai rapid pe acelasi hardware.

Edited by andreic, 05 July 2021 - 00:57.

kosmin90, on 04 iulie 2021 - 23:15, said:

corect. un calculator nou cu TPM 2.0 si fara pretentii de gaming e la vreo 20 de bulioane, nu e ceva incredibil. un laptop decent este putin mai scump, si tot asa

Cu siguranta e un cumul de motive, atat economice pentru ei, cat si psihologice pentru noi.
Ca si OS, fiind un pas mare fata de ce era in trecut - un OS modern, vizibil mai sigur (teoretic), cu o noua identitate vizuala, cu niste cerinte minime moderne nu aceleasi ca la Windows 7.

In felul asta pot face si trecerea la aceste cerinte minime pentru securitate in alt mod - daca era doar un update nu puteau sa schimbe acele lucruri fara sa creeze si mai multe probleme sau imposibilitatea de a il aplica. Fiind un produs complet nou, se poate.

N-am niciun device care sa il suporte, e nasol. Dar pana in 2025 cand W10 nu va mai avea update-uri de securitate, probabil cu totii vom avea un nou laptop/desktop care sa suporte cerintele minime cu TPM/PTT/fTPM, restul de dual core, 4GB RAM si altele nu cred ca sunt o problema oricum.