CIA si "neutralitatea" (de)criptata a Elvetiei

Guverul elvetian a dispus o ancheta in cazul Crypto AG, companie de criptare globala care s-a dovedit a fi detinuta de CIA si operata ca la bordeal de catre intelul SUA si cel german. In aceste conditii cine mai crede in neutralitatea Elvetiei si pe ce motiv, dar in criptare?

CIA controlled global encryption company for decades, says report

The Swiss government has ordered an inquiry into a global encryption company based in Zug following revelations it was owned and controlled for decades by US and German intelligence.
Encryption weaknesses added to products sold by Crypto AG allowed the CIA and its German counterpart, the BND, to eavesdrop on adversaries and allies alike while earning million of dollars from the sales, according the Washington Post and the German public broadcaster ZDF, based on the agencies’ internal histories of the intelligence operation.

“It was the intelligence coup of the century,” the CIA report concluded. “Foreign governments were paying good money to the US and West Germany for the privilege of having their most secret communications read by at least two (and possibly as many as five or six) foreign countries.”

Bruce Schneier a semnalat despre Crypto AG ca fiind un front CIA inca din 2008.

The CIA and BND agreed the purchase of Crypto in 1970 but, fearing exposure, the BND sold its share of the company to the US in the early 1990s. According to the Washington Post, the CIA continued to exploit the company until 2018, when it sold the company’s assets to two private companies.
One of those companies, CyOne Security, which is run by former top Crypto employees, issued a statement saying it could not comment on Crypto’s history.
“CyOne Security AG was founded in January 2018. The company operates exclusively in the Swiss market with a focus on state-of-the art security solutions for customers from the Swiss public sector,” the statement said. “Since the start of its business activities, CyOne Security has been 100% owned by four Swiss private individuals. It is completely independent of the former Crypto AG. CyOne Security has no ties with any foreign intelligence services.”

Edited by spps2019, 05 March 2020 - 02:28.

Ok. Si ce anume ti se pare ca are a face neutralitatea Elvetiei cu asta?

Crypto AG avea clienti guvernamentali din 120 de state, can you trust neutral swiss anymore?

Deci mai pe romaneste ca poate nu se intelege: CIA spiona alte state prin intermediul unui front al sau din "neutra" Elvetie.

Swiss neutrality ‘shattered’ as leading cryptologic firm revealed to be CIA front

When encryption technology evolved from mechanical to electronic in the 1960s, the NSA manipulated the algorithms used by Crypto devices, so they could be quickly decoded. The company started making two versions of its machines – secure models sold to friendly governments and rigged systems for everyone else – before being taken over outright by the CIA and the BND.
The security of Crypto equipment began arousing suspicions after Ronald Reagan made public claims about US intercepts of Libyan officials involved in the 1986 bombing of the Berlin disco, La Belle. Iranian intelligence became suspicious and questioned a Crypto salesman, Hans Buehler, but took no action until about six years later, when they arrested Buehler as he was about to fly out of Tehran. Iran released him only after the company agreed to pay $1m, with funds provided by the BND.

BND Involved in Intelligence Operations Creating the EU
BND and Crypto AG Operations for a federal Europe. Switzerland, the playground for West German and US intelligence services.

BERLIN/BERN/WASHINGTON (Own report) - The investigation into the German BND's criminal activities against dozens of UN member nations and international organizations using Switzerland's Crypto AG, is being held up in Germany. Parliamentary interpellations in Berlin are being drowned in time-consuming procedures. Whereas the Swiss government has appointed a special investigator, German instigators are keeping silent. Together with the CIA, they are responsible for spying on allegedly allied nations with rigged encoding devices. Obviously, the Munich based Siemens AG, with its legendary links to the BND, has been involved in these illegal operations. The investigation is being delayed due to Berlin and Washington's competing strategic interests. The BND and CIA's tactical cooperation dates back to the post-war era. Through its intelligence operations - with Crypto AG - the BND became an instrument used in the creation of the EU.

Edited by spps2019, 05 March 2020 - 02:54.

Si daca nu e neutra de ce s-a apucat guvernul elvetian de investigat?

damage control - facem o comisie... totul e in regula, dormiti linistiti.

stai asa , ca la noi in presa o sa apara ca CIA este tot un front-end al rusilor.

Vorbim de dispozitive de criptare de acum zeci de ani, de masinarii din alea cu rotite si relee, Romania folosea atunci dispozitive sovietice.

 rich1974, on 05 martie 2020 - 05:49, said:

Nu imi pasa al cui front-end este!

Aliati sau nu, serviciile secrete straine nu au ce cauta sa influenteze mersul intr-un alt stat suveran!
Conversatie incheiata!

 Aldulescu, on 05 martie 2020 - 08:34, said:

Esti sigur? Eu n-as fi. Cel putin nu exclusiv sovietice. Deoarece:

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 pinguinul666, on 05 martie 2020 - 08:55, said:

asta e gluma zilei, sau cum?

 vrajitoruldinoz, on 05 martie 2020 - 03:52, said:

Din acelasi motiv pentru care se apuca si maimutele yankee de auto-investigat cand mai omoara niste civili prin operatiunile militare ilegale pe care le poarta in afara tarii: nutret pentru cretini!

 dan1980_25, on 05 martie 2020 - 02:27, said:

E de gradinita intrebarea ta, dar hai ca raspund.
O tara neutra nu permite serviciilor straine de informatii sa fabrice pe teritoriul sau echipamente de spionaj care apoi sunt vandute adversarilor respectivului ca echipamente de comunicare "sigure" fiindca sunt fabricate intr-o "tara neutra". Totul desigur cu stiinta serviciilor de informate elvetiene, adica a statului elvetian. (pe sistemul "cumparati echipament de comunicare criptata ca e singur de la noi fiindca suntem neutri" - atat ca echipemantele noastre sunt gandite de serviciiile secrete americane si evident le pot decripta, dar nu va spunem asta acum, poate aflati voi peste ceva decenii)

For it is clear from the documents available to Swiss public television, SRF, among others, that the Federal Intelligence Service (FIS) knew about the operation.
https://www.swissinf...-sham-/45558476

Research by the "Rundschau" confirms that employees of the Swiss intelligence service knew about it. At the time, those who were suspected of being involved did not want to comment, or said they had no knowledge of the operation. There is also evidence that "key government officials" knew about the operation.
https://www.zug4you....ntury-revealed-

O vorba veche romaneasca.""Hotul striga Hotul!!!""

 LOLkekLOL, on 05 martie 2020 - 10:01, said:

Un rezumat n-ai?

Bai eu nu stiu ce va vaitati atit.
Toate lumea de pe forumul asta a fost direct si decsiv influentata de servicii rusesti si chinezesti. Da alea americane ce v-au facut vreodata?

 rich1974, on 05 martie 2020 - 10:48, said:

Pentru cineva fara coloana vertebrala...este!
Gen politicienii romani!

Pentru cineva serios, verticala, e ceva foarte nasol!
Inseamna subminarea statului

inb4 r3t4rded lines "DRAKNIIA"

 vrajitoruldinoz, on 06 martie 2020 - 00:16, said:

Clar, necunoscator...lasa, ramai in lumea viselor, ca iti e bine, dle Vrajitor

De alea chinezesti v-ati pierdut slujbele, alea rusesti v-au luat tara. Enumera ce ti-au facut cele americane.

Edited by vrajitoruldinoz, 07 March 2020 - 02:55.

 vrajitoruldinoz, on 06 martie 2020 - 00:16, said:

Tu ai citit titlul topicului ? Elvetia, nu lumea de pe forumul asta.

Eram curios de ce trebuie sa ma isterizez ca serviciile americane fac nu stiu ce.

Edited by vrajitoruldinoz, 07 March 2020 - 04:36.