transmisie Mazda vs restul
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#1
Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:07
Conform linkului, transmisia Mazda e mai buna decat cele 3 posibileL DSG, CVT, convertor de cuplu.
Asta insemnand ca Mazda a inventat a 4-a forma de transmisie ? http://www.mazda.com...skyactiv-drive/ Features of SKYACTIV-DRIVE ・Combines all the advantages of conventional automatic transmissions, continuously variable transmissions, and dual clutch transmissions |
#2
Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:16
e pe vreo masina? parerea mea ca e greu de depasit dsg-ul celor de la vw
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#3
Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:19
#4
Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:27
jericho, on 22 februarie 2017 - 16:16, said:
e pe vreo masina? parerea mea ca e greu de depasit dsg-ul celor de la vw DSG6 umed e reusit si performant, desi pretentiosn,sensibil si cu ceva intretinere. Am condus recent automata clasica la Kia Sportage si am fost surprins de performanta, asteptandu-ma sa fie la ani lumina de DSG. Nu e chiar asa. CVT am condus pe un Volvo XC60 si nu mi-a placut deloc. Totusi, Mazda sustine ca le face praf pe toate 3 Bursul, on 22 februarie 2017 - 16:19, said:
www.mazda.com ... bine, asteptam si o parere neutra, poate si niste teste. Pana atunci astept o descriere clara, ce fel de transmisie e ??? |
#5
Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:42
O fi o robotica cu dublu ambreiaj.
Pe un ambreiaj CVT si pe unul robotul. Am zis bine?, ca nu ma pricep la tinichele. Edited by sfantu.dracu, 22 February 2017 - 16:49. |
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Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:48
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Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:49
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Posted 22 February 2017 - 16:57
#10
Posted 22 February 2017 - 17:05
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#11
Posted 22 February 2017 - 17:16
e o automata clasica, cu convertor de cuplu, care face lock mai mult timp.
Concluzia: schimba mai incet decat DSG, dar e mai lina si nu o strici daca mergi cu 2km/h ca DSG, iar fata de automata clasica consuma mai putin. While the unit was certainly quick to respond, I doubt the shifts were as quick as those you get when using a DSG transmission from the Volkswagen Group. That’s not a problem, as SKYACTIV-DRIVE is a more holistic approach to transmissions, so it’s a lot smoother than a DSG transmission at low speeds, where they can be rather jittery in stop/start traffic conditions. It’s also exceptionally quiet too; there’s no mechanical noises whatsoever between shifts, and let’s not forget, the car we drove was very much a prototype as you can see by all the cladding on the panel skins. The key difference with SKYACTIV-DRIVE is that this six-speed transmission is ‘locked’ up 90 percent of the time in everyday driving conditions, whereas a traditional automatic is locked up only 50 percent of the time, causing slippage. The difference is considerable, as SKYACTIV-DRIVE offers significantly better throttle response than current Mazda6 automatic we drove back-to-back on the same circuit. The other benefit is a four to seven percent fuel efficiency gain due to the virtual elimination of slippage between shifts. |
#12
Posted 22 February 2017 - 17:17
#13
Posted 22 February 2017 - 17:18
un struto-camila, un convertor de cuplu optizmizat bla bla vandut ca ceva nou si inovator.....
Edited by arg, 22 February 2017 - 17:19. |
#14
Posted 22 February 2017 - 17:21
nu e CVT cu rapoarte infinite.
automata clasica are rapoarte predefinite (seamana mult cu manuala) numai ca in loc de ambreiaj are convertizor de cuplu. COnvertizorul de cuplu asigura pornirea / schimbarea vitezelor forte lin, dar dezavantajul mare este consuml mai mare de combustibil. Legatura intre motor si cutie se realizeaza prin intermediul unui lichid (ulei de obicei) convertorul de cuplu are si marele avantaj al fiabilitatii, nu prea are ce sa se strice la el, spre deosebire de DSG unde cele 2 ambreiaje tb schimbate la un anumit nr de km Edited by relu_24, 22 February 2017 - 17:23. |
#15
Posted 22 February 2017 - 18:07
Mazda nu face si nu a facut niciodata cutii de viteza. De regula foloseste transmisii Aisin dar si de la alti producatori. Ce ai citit acolo e marketing ieftin. In momentul de fata Mazda foloseste cutii de viteza cu convertor de cuplu (taranii le spun hidramate, o denumire folosita in anii '90) ce are avantaje legate de costurile de intretinere dar dezvantaje legate de rapiditate (mai slaba ca DSG-ul sau alte cutii dublu ambreiaj) si consum de combustibil (comparativ cu CVT). Cu alte cuvinte, este o cutie mediocra (mediocru nu inseamna rau, inseamna in media clasei!). Cea mai buna cutie cu convertor din clasa asta este ZF8 folosita de marcile premium, dar este prea scumpa pentru a putea fi pusa pe masinile de volum.
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#16
Posted 22 February 2017 - 18:10
Hai sa nu exageram.
Mazda impresioneaza la design si motorizari. O sa scoata niste motorizari misto in curand, cred ca ati auzit si voi. |
#17
Posted 22 February 2017 - 19:38
Omul intreaba de cutiile de viteza automata. Ce legatura are cu noile motoare (care or fi alea?) pe care le vor lansa. Daca tot ai adus in discutie motoarele, eu stiu ca vor inlocui bujiile cu o alta tehnologie, nu ca vor schimba cilindreea sau puterea acestora.
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#18
Posted 22 February 2017 - 19:42
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