Consultant Forex - pareri?

Când tranzactionezi câteva milioane de euro pe perechi de valute, nu prea vad cum  ar putea fi un "joc cu suma nulă"... dar nah, poate e ceva ce-mi scapă mie.

iti scapa fix definitia unui joc cu suma nula

uite, sa zicem ca tu ai 5 nuci si vecinul tau are si el 5 nuci
v1:  va intalniti si jucati poker pe nuci; el castiga ce pierzi tu si invers, deci e un joc cu suma zero. suma nucilor ramane aceeasi dupa joc
v2: plantati impreuna cele 10 nuci; in cativa ani o sa rasara un nuc si o sa culegeti fiecare cate 100 de nuci. totalul a crescut (ati pornit cu 10 nuci si ati sfarsit cu 200), deci e un joc cu suma pozitiva
v3: va luati la bataie si fiecare sfarama nucile celuilalt; sfarsiti fara nici o nuca, deci e un joc cu suma negativa

e irelevant ce suma e implicata in joc.

Un exemplu relevant ar că eu am 5 nuci, vecinu are 5 mere. Mergem la târg ( un fel de Forex antic) vand cele 5 nuci și cumpar 5 smochine, iar vecinu vinde cele 5 mere și cumpara 5 pere..
Poate smochinele nu se caută acum, așa că le țin o vreme și le vând când s-or caută și cumpar prune. Și tot așa..

Edited by primuministru, 08 September 2020 - 18:53.

_Smiley_, on 08 septembrie 2020 - 16:35, said:

Nu confund.

In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants. If the total gains of the participants are added up and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero.

Suntem departe rau de "exactly balanced"! Iar daca ai multe tranzactii, ghici de unde este "mancat" spread-ul?

Ideea e ca spread-ul mananca masiv din sumele tranzactionate net, cu cat mai multe tranzactii, cu atat mai mult spread platit catre market makeri - ei sunt cam singurii care castiga constant!

primuministru, on 06 septembrie 2020 - 21:18, said:

la aceeasi concluzie am ajuns si eu cand am vazut diversi termeni tehnici folositi in mod gresit, sau alte idei conspirationiste

acuma, aici e o treaba interesanta in sensul ca aceste persoane care nu lucreaza in sistem, totusi fac un lucru bun
sa fac si eu o comparatie plastica, e ca al un turneu de poker sau campionat mondial de sah unde vin cei mai buni si joaca pe bani, si unii care nu cunosc regulile de joc, stau afara si cand vine cate un incepator si intreaba cum poate castiga bani acolo, ei ii spun sa nu intre ca ramane instant fara orice ban pune in joc. Un fapt foarte adevarat si de ajutor in sensul ca ei ajuta in felul lor incepatorii sa nu piarda bani.

Unde evident gresesc ei, sa explice mecanismul, adica explicatia lor e ca acolo e o lume interlopa de camatari fara reguli si in care e imposibil tehnic sa castigi bani indiferent cat de bun ai fi. Pentru ca daca ei nu inteleg sistemul, ei considera ca precis e un smen la mijloc. E ca si cum ar spune ca si la loto e imposibil sa castigi indiferent cat de des sau cate variante ai juca si ca exemplele de castigatori sunt de fapt facaturi intentionat facute sa atraga novici si sa le ia banii

_Smiley_, on 08 septembrie 2020 - 18:25, said:

tu nu intelegi nici piata forex, nici matematica si nici limba romana
in v1 echivalentul ar fi , coaja nucilor se toceste prin spread
poate asa intelegi pe exemplul tau

Edited by radu103, 08 September 2020 - 20:03.

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Ati inteles?

Adica ti-o trag legal si pe fata! tare exprimarea aia cu "you trade against us"

ar fi un baiat care cica ii top din timisoara, youngtrader, o luat cineva cursul?