Canon EOS 20 Digital! O realitate

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? de la punctum ? NU! ... dar am citit regulamentele altor siteuri / forumuri similare si ...

s'aveti inspiratie, Nashu'

ok
pe situl Dpreview au aparut sampleuri facute cu 20D.
e o placere sa te uiti la ele.

Trebuie sa asteptam aparitia pe piata a acestui aparat si sa vedem pozele facute de "amatori" pe PBase.com

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... si iata ce am primit:

Thank you for your patience. Believe us, we KNOW how hard it is wait!

The next chapter in the Maxxum 7D preview will be uploaded on August 18th.

Since you've already registered, follow this link http://www.maxxum7digital.com and then click on the CONTINUE TO SNEAK PREVIEW arrow at the bottom of the page.

Thank you!

The Digital Camera Marketing Team at
Konica Minolta Photo Imaging U.S.A., Inc.

PS: If you're interested, here's some additional information, definitions, and general trivia. If your not interested, of course, feel free to ignore. And if you'd like to unsubscribe, see below.

Why the name Maxxum 7D?
In 1984, the world's first "body integrated" autofocus SLR camera was introduced. In the United States, this 35mm camera was known as the Maxxum 7000. In Europe, it was the Dynax 7 and in Japan, the Alpha 7. That explains why you'll see both Maxxum and Dynax references on the preview website. That being said, be warned that "Maxxum 7D" is not yet the official name; it could change at introduction.

What exactly IS a digital SLR?
SLR is an abbreviation for Single Lens Reflex. That means that the user is actually looking through the same lens that is used to form the image on the sensor (or film) and, of course, that means that "what you see is what you get." This generally implies that the lens is interchangeable -- it can be removed and a lens with a different focal length can be attached in its place. This provides greater versatility than a fixed-lens camera.

Why is it important to have the Anti Shake feature in the camera instead of the lens?
The main reason: you can enjoy the benefits of Anti Shake with ALL of your genuine Maxxum (or Dynax) lenses (with only a couple of exceptions, like the 16mm fisheye and the unique 3X-1X Macro). Some other companies offer lenses with stabilization or anti shake properties, but those lenses are usually quite a bit more expensive than regular lenses. Konica Minolta offers Anti Shake in the DiMAGE A1, DiMAGE A2, and DiMAGE Z3 cameras. It is proven technology that has won numerous awards.

Do I really need Anti Shake?
Yes! As explained on the preview site, many otherwise fine images are rendered unusable because of very slight camera movement during exposure. Even the steadiest hand will move slightly. With longer focal lengths and long zoom, or with close-focusing macro lenses, or at slow shutter speeds, this movement becomes even more pronounced. If you have ever looked through a pair of high-power binoculars you know exactly what we mean. The Anti Shake system used by Konica Minolta utilizes a unique CCD-offset system. As the camera moves, the CCD moves in concert to counteract the effect of camera shake.

When will I use Anti Shake?
Probably all of the time. The biggest benefit, however, comes when you are shooting telephoto, long zoom, macro and low-light images. As a general rule of thumb, figure that you will be able to hold the camera steady at "three stops slower shutter speed." What this means is, if you are normally able to hand hold a camera at 1/60 of a second without Anti Shake, you will probably be able to hand hold at 1/8 of a second with Anti Shake (lens focal length, subject distance and all other factors being the same). And since the Anti Shake is in the body, it works with your wide angle, macro, short zoom -- nearly every genuine Maxxum lens you own. You'll be able to shoot dramatic candle light scenes, stunning sunsets, and available light portraits -- all with your existing lenses.

What are the limitations of Anti Shake?
Anti Shake helps prevent images from being ruined by camera shake. It cannot, however, stop SUBJECT movement. For example, we took a test picture of a child running along a white picket fence in the low light of evening. We used a DiMAGE A2 set at 200mm focal length equivalent, and the exposure was 1/15th of a second. The image of the fence is perfectly sharp. The child is a blur. The DiMAGE A2's Anti Shake system (which is exactly the same system that is found in the Maxxum 7D) was easily able to counteract the effect of camera shake. But it could not stop the subject movement. Other, conventional cameras, would have yielded a completely blurred images at that slow shutter speed and long focal length combination.

How much is the Maxxum 7D going to cost?
We cannot tell you yet. But we can tell you this. Do not believe anything that anyone else tells you. They do not know. We have not told anyone yet. So it is impossible for anyone outside to have more than a wild guess.

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Sa trec pe Minolta? sa mai stau

B,N'

http://www.robgalbra...cid=7-6458-7153

acum si la Rob ceva despre 20D

Traiasca 20D-ul lui Canon.
Amu ca am D70 o sa folosesc camera asta vreo cativa ani buni. Pretul de 1700 euro listat la dpreview.com pt 20D nu e chiar asa rau ...middle range DSLR cred.
Concurenta e o treaba buna..

@bogdan:sorry man...am fost in Bucuresti dupa viza da nu aveam camera mine ca te-as fi sunat.Am avut alte bagaje si a trebuit sa o las acasa.

No problem, maybe next time!

http://www.imaging-r...20D/E20DA12.HTM

Dupa cum ma asteptam cei de la Imaging Resource nu se desmint si ofera cel mai profesional review al lui 20D ...

http://www.imaging-r...0D/E20DPICS.HTM

Mai sa fie! La pagina
http://www.digital-p...&cat=564&page=1

scrie clar ca:
Focal length: 100.0mm (35mm equivalent: 117mm)

deci? ma lamureste si pe mine careva ... nu trebuia sa fie 160 mm?

ba da. e clar ca au gresit.

gripul pentru 20D arata aiurea rau...

sunt un pic confuzat de manevrele canon lately...

nici nu mai stiu ce sa cred... EF-S'ul deshi este doar pentru camere cu 1.6X este totushi marcat ca pt 35mm, MarkII nu accepta EF-S, so clar vom avea 2 clase de digitale dSLR la canon, cea EF si cea EF-S.

Lensul ala de 10-20 e cam scump doar pentru EF-S, nu cred ca se va arunca lumea prea tare. Sa vedem ce se mai intampla la Photokina. Iese cu un full frame in EF-S (nu cred)... totushi?

Acum daca e sa fim sinceri, DSLR-uri nu maresc focala, ci fac crop. Adica in termeni de optica, distanta focala e aceasi ca pe film, numai ca din motive de captator mai mic, nu cuprinde toata imagine dand senzatia ca mai "apropie".

In alta ordine de idei, nu reusesc sa inteleg strategia de market de la canon cu obiectivele astea EF-S, pentru ca marele avantaj pe care il avea canonu' era ca avand un obiectiv EF il puteai pune pe orice aparat (sau aproape, exceptie facand unele obiective sigma care nu se intelegea cu elanul si mai nou cu DRebel).

Dar cum cred ca tampiti nu sunt, ramane doar ca timpul sa ne lamureasca ce vor ei de fapt.

Ar trebui sa ne obisnuim cu ideea ca o sa existe 2 clase de senzori dpdv al dimensiunii: APS (pentru EF-S la Canon si DX-ul la Nikon) si Full Frame.

Full Frame va costa mult si va fi doar pentru clasa HighEnd SLR. Va fi produs dintr-un singur motiv (imho): compatibilitatea totala a echipamentului pe care il are un fotograf profesionist si vechi. Ah da, si noise-ul va fi tinut sub control mai bine pe un senzor mai mare in perioada imediat urmatoare. In timp insa cred ca acest avantaj va disparea.

APS-ul cred ca peste 20-30 de ani va inlocui Full Frame. De ce? E mai ieftin de produs, obiectivele sunt mai mici, mai usoare si mai ieftine.

cris: markII are 1.3 si e EF normal, nu EF-S. so este cam "strutzocamila"

daca MarkII ar avea full frame senzor ar fi clar cea mai buna camera posibila.

Stiu de MarkII, o sa vedem ce face Canon in continuare. Poate vrea sa aibe 3 clase de senzori pentru 3 nivele de DSLR-uri. Parerea mea e ca sunt cam multe. Full Frame si APS sunt de-ajuns.

Full Frame-ul nu are decit avantajul folosirii obiectivelor vechi la intregul potential si, trecator, al noise-ului mai bun (care oricum, imho e destul de greu de detectat la nivelul asta).

Cu cit trece mai mult timp insa o sa se intimple urmatoarele chestii:
- Gradul de impachetare al Megapixelilor pe unitatea dimensionala va creste (nu la nesfirsit dar suficient ca APS-ul sa intreaca calitativ filmul de 35mm ca rezolutie).
- Noise-ul va incepe sa devina din ce in ce mai mic.
- Va exista o gama completa de obiective APS: mai rapida decit cele FF mai vechi, mai usoare, mai ieftine, mai bune calitativ.
- Noi tineri fotografi isi vor cumpara aparatura si vor investi in ce e mai nou, mai bun, mai ieftin.

Full Frame e o dimensiune arbitrar impusa pentru a mentine compatibilitatea intr-o epoca digitala. Asta nu inseamna ca ar fi neaparat o dimensiune cumva magica a calitatii maxime...

Initial am crezut si eu ca FF e tinta spre care se indreapta toata lumea. Acum nu mai sunt asa de sigur, mai ales cind esti nou venit intr-un sistem sau altul. In 2-3 ani, calitatea FF de la 1D va fi reprodusa intr-un sensor APS la costuri mult mai mici si mult mai comod.

Singura chestie care vreau sa ramina la fel e raportul pozelor 3:2
Ma scoate din minti 4:3-ul de la monitoare si zau daca-i inteleg pe astia de la Olypmpus. Stiu care e istoria lui 3:2 dar privit la rece intr-adevar 3:2 sau 4:3 sunt arbitrare si ele...

Hmmmm...Am citit recent pe kenrockwell.com niste texte pe situ de review la D70....
Se referea acolo si la faptul ca D70 e mai bun ca un Canon EOS 20D.Si m-am cam suparat pe el.De unde stie el ca un D70 e mai ok ca un 20D?Ca doar 20D nu a iesit inca pe piata. Nu e obiectiv la faza asta. Desi am D70 si unii ar crede ca iau de bune tot ce zi ce el, la faza asta mi se pare depasit.Poate ar trebui sa puna mana pe 20D si apoi sa-l compare cu un D70. Numai asa as putea accepta critica.Cat timp 20D nu e released si el nu are cum sti care e performanta aparatului...numai din specificatii nu e de ajuns.
My 2 cents.

tu inca mai crezi ca ken nu ia bani de la nikon? Come on....

De luat bani nu ia (sunt aproape sigur), dar e mai apropiat de o firma, si nu se jeneaza sa recunoasca ca e partinitor (chiar spune, ca e parerea LUI, nu o parere obiectiva).
Si mi se pare ca nu zicea chiar ca D70-ul  e mai bun, ci ca 1/250 Flash Sync-ul lui 20D nu e "profesional"...
/me fan canon )