Catalonia și-a declarat INDEPENDENȚA față de Spania. Mii de catalani au ieșit în stradă
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#8731
Posted 26 November 2018 - 22:10
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Cred ca o sa fie Catalonia independenta cand o sa cedeze britanicii Gibraltarul Spaniei.
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#8732
Posted 26 November 2018 - 22:15
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#8733
Posted 26 November 2018 - 22:35
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![]() ![]() ![]() Le bagă embargo pe importul de cod? ![]() Pe când reacții la fel de ferme și importante din partea parlamentelor din Tokelau, Vanuatu și Burkina Faso? Guvernul din Sao Tome și Principe ce are de spus? ![]() Pentru a-si apara pretentiile teritoriale si-au permis cu marina britanica chestii pe care spaniolii n-ar avea nervi sa le faca. ![]() Dupa care, in timpul ultimei crize financiare au votat ca nu le dau inapoi englezilor banii economisiti in bancile lor. Englezii n-au avut ce sa faca decat sa protesteze. O natiune de doar o treime de milion, dar nu cedeaza nimanui. |
#8734
Posted 26 November 2018 - 23:47
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Eu n-as fi asa ironic cu islandezii. Au purtat acum cateva zeci de ani trei razboaie cu englezii pe tema codului, si culmea, au si castigat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars Pentru a-si apara pretentiile teritoriale si-au permis cu marina britanica chestii pe care spaniolii n-ar avea nervi sa le faca. ![]() ![]() I-au lăsat în pace pentru că au amenințat că se retrag din NATO, în plin război rece, ei fiind în calea submarinelor sovietice către Atlantic! Pur și simplu miza era mai mare decât câteva cozi de pește! A transforma asta însă în nu știu ce "victorie" împotriva Royal Navy denotă o lipsă de realism (care, e drept, știu că te caracterizează) și o înclinație spre ridicol demnă de un membru al cabinetului veorica! Edited by garett, 26 November 2018 - 23:48. |
#8735
Posted 26 November 2018 - 23:51
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Dude, când mai pui linkuri fă-ți un serviciu și citește-le! ![]() I-au lăsat în pace pentru că au amenințat că se retrag din NATO, în plin război rece, ... Vor mai veni momente prielnice pentru cei harnici... |
#8736
Posted 26 November 2018 - 23:53
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#8737
Posted 27 November 2018 - 00:08
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Exact. Adica or stiut exact cum sa puna problema intr-un moment prielnic. Vor mai veni momente prielnice pentru cei harnici... ![]() Bonus, nici "Catalonezia" și nici "Ținutul Secuiesc" (știi tu care-i legătura ![]() Spania și România, da! ![]() |
#8738
Posted 27 November 2018 - 09:22
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Nu-si pot face echipa nationala. Exact aia ai inteles. Ontopic: greva medicilor din Catalonia continua dupa ce negocierile purtate ieri cu Institut Català de la Salut (echivalentul Ministerului Sanatatii in Catalonia) au esuat din pacate. Pun si o poza cu grevistii, oamenii cer demnitate si respect, nu doar salarii mai mari. Sursa: https://www.elperiod...ria-cap-7168974 Attached FilesEdited by Costel2014, 27 November 2018 - 09:22. |
#8739
Posted 27 November 2018 - 11:00
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Dude, când mai pui linkuri fă-ți un serviciu și citește-le! ![]() I-au lăsat ĂŽn pace pentru că au amenințat că se retrag din NATO, ĂŽn plin război rece, ei fiind ĂŽn calea submarinelor sovietice către Atlantic! Pur și simplu miza era mai mare decât câteva cozi de pește! A transforma asta ĂŽnsă ĂŽn nu știu ce "victorie" ĂŽmpotriva Royal Navy denotă o lipsă de realism De esemplu enciclopedia Britannica https://www.britanni...ciety#ref662251 "After World War II Iceland gradually extended its exclusive fishing zone from 3 nautical miles (5.6 km) in 1950 to 200 miles (370 km) in 1975. This extension provoked strong protests from the United Kingdom and West Germany, and the British navy was repeatedly sent to the Icelandic fishing grounds to protect British trawlers. The struggle with Britain, commonly known as the âCod Wars,â came to an end in 1976 when Britain recognized the 200-mile limit." "The victory in the Cod Wars was accompanied by some disappointment as the fish stocks around Iceland began to be depleted." Sau ziare britanica precum Telegraph, sau The Guardian The Cod Wars of the 1970s were a national humiliation https://www.telegrap...st-win-scallop/ Don't mess with Iceland https://www.theguard...d-foreignpolicy Iceland v Britain: the cod wars begin https://www.theguard...itain-fish-1958 "Eventually the dispute was settled through diplomatic means with NATO-mediated sessions leading to Iceland and the UK reaching an agreement on 1 June 1976. The British were allowed to keep 24 trawlers within the 200 mile zone as long as their catch was limited to 50,000 tons. However, Iceland had achieved its overall aims. The already-declining British fisheries were hit hard by being excluded from their prime fishing grounds and large northern fishing ports such as Grimsby, Hull, and Fleetwood saw thousands of deep-sea fishermen and people in related trades losing their jobs." Conflictul a inclus nave englezesti de pescuit capturate, plase taiate si inclusiv focuri de arma trase direct in navele englezesti, comerciale si militare. As vrea sa vad o nava spaniola tragand intr-o nava englezeasca langa Gibraltar. Nu se va intampla niciodata... ![]()
Bonus, nici "Catalonezia" și nici "Ținutul Secuiesc" (știi tu care-i legătura ![]() Spania și România, da! ![]() De cand Spania a fost criticata pentru ca permite regulat alimentarea vaselor militare rusesti, europenii si ceilalti membri NATO isi pun intrebari serioase despre credibilitatea Spaniei... Oricum, cat timp englezii stapanesc Gibraltarul, aia e partea cea mai strategica. ![]() "In 2011 Russia started to regularly use the port facilities at Ceuta (owned by the public entity Puertos del Estado). Since then, at least 57 Russian Navy ships have called into the Spanish port(1), including destroyers, frigates, amphibious assault ships, and even an attack submarine. Some of the visits by the Russian Navy have curious timing. For example, during the same week in April 2014 that the EU announced a new round of sanctions against Russia, Spain was hosting at Ceuta the Russian destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov, and two navy tankers, the Dubna and Sergey Osipov." Edited by Wotan, 27 November 2018 - 11:07. |
#8740
Posted 27 November 2018 - 11:26
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Pai chiar englezii o considera o victorie islandeza.. De esemplu enciclopedia Britannica https://www.britanni...ciety#ref662251 "After World War II Iceland gradually extended its exclusive fishing zone from 3 nautical miles (5.6 km) in 1950 to 200 miles (370 km) in 1975. This extension provoked strong protests from the United Kingdom and West Germany, and the British navy was repeatedly sent to the Icelandic fishing grounds to protect British trawlers. The struggle with Britain, commonly known as the âœCod Wars,â came to an end in 1976 when Britain recognized the 200-mile limit." "The victory in the Cod Wars was accompanied by some disappointment as the fish stocks around Iceland began to be depleted." Sau ziare britanica precum Telegraph, sau The Guardian The Cod Wars of the 1970s were a national humiliation https://www.telegrap...st-win-scallop/ Don't mess with Iceland https://www.theguard...d-foreignpolicy Iceland v Britain: the cod wars begin https://www.theguard...itain-fish-1958 "Eventually the dispute was settled through diplomatic means with NATO-mediated sessions leading to Iceland and the UK reaching an agreement on 1 June 1976. The British were allowed to keep 24 trawlers within the 200 mile zone as long as their catch was limited to 50,000 tons. However, Iceland had achieved its overall aims. The already-declining British fisheries were hit hard by being excluded from their prime fishing grounds and large northern fishing ports such as Grimsby, Hull, and Fleetwood saw thousands of deep-sea fishermen and people in related trades losing their jobs." Conflictul a inclus nave englezesti de pescuit capturate, plase taiate si inclusiv focuri de arma trase direct in navele englezesti, comerciale si militare. As vrea sa vad o nava spaniola tragand intr-o nava englezeasca langa Gibraltar. Nu se va intampla niciodata... ![]() De cand Spania a fost criticata pentru ca permite regulat alimentarea vaselor militare rusesti, europenii si ceilalti membri NATO isi pun intrebari serioase despre credibilitatea Spaniei... Oricum, cat timp englezii stapanesc Gibraltarul, aia e partea cea mai strategica. ![]() "In 2011 Russia started to regularly use the port facilities at Ceuta (owned by the public entity Puertos del Estado). Since then, at least 57 Russian Navy ships have called into the Spanish port(1), including destroyers, frigates, amphibious assault ships, and even an attack submarine. Some of the visits by the Russian Navy have curious timing. For example, during the same week in April 2014 that the EU announced a new round of sanctions against Russia, Spain was hosting at Ceuta the Russian destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov, and two navy tankers, the Dubna and Sergey Osipov." |
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#8741
Posted 27 November 2018 - 11:55
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Nu o fac pentru ca iubesc Rusia, ci pentru ca exporturile inseamna bani. Dar nu ai sa vezi tehnica militara ruseasca gazduita sau realimentata pe teritoriu german...
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#8742
Posted 27 November 2018 - 12:19
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Nu o fac pentru ca iubesc Rusia, ci pentru ca exporturile inseamna bani. Dar nu ai sa vezi tehnica militara ruseasca gazduita sau realimentata pe teritoriu german... ![]() ![]() Edited by Costel2014, 27 November 2018 - 12:20. |
#8743
Posted 27 November 2018 - 12:51
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In octombrie 2016 cred ca era Rajoy prim-ministru. https://www.theguard...ing-ceuta-syria
La fel si in 2015 https://www.independ...r-10477283.html Dar intr-adevar, acum in noiembrie cand vasele rusesti s-au intors e un guvern socialist... http://chronicle.gi/...aising-concern/ "The vessel arrived just days after Spain’s Foreign Minister Josep Borrell met with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, in Madrid and agreed to establish an international group to tackle “fake news”. The Spanish Government has since come under pressure from opposition parties to explain the nature of the agreement" "After the meeting Mr Borrell welcomed Moscow’s support for Spain’s “sovereignty and territorial integrity”, a reference to Catalonia, where Russia had been accused of meddling during the independence drive, but with clear implications too in respect of Spain’s position on Gibraltar." "Luke Coffey, a director at the conservative US think tank The Heritage Foundation tweeted: “[French President Emmanuel] Macron is worried about Trump but yesterday the U.S. increased sanctions against Russia and today Spain welcomes the Russian Navy into its ports. I think Macron should start looking closer to home.”" Si un barometru politic facut in Catalonia. http://upceo.ceo.gen...nglish -908.pdf In continuare, cei mai multi, 47,5%, se simt catalani care traiesc in Catalonia, nu in Spania, 64% considera ca Catalonia are insuficient nivel de autonomie. 39% isi doresc un stat independent, 22% un stat parte a unei Spanii federalizate, 24% situatia actuala. Partidele radicala ERC si CUP au crescut serios in optiunea de voturi. Poate e momentul sa li se ofere rapid catalanilor o autonomie marita. Inainte sa... |
#8744
Posted 27 November 2018 - 15:13
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In octombrie 2016 cred ca era Rajoy prim-ministru. https://www.theguard...ing-ceuta-syria La fel si in 2015 https://www.independ...r-10477283.html Dar intr-adevar, acum in noiembrie cand vasele rusesti s-au intors e un guvern socialist... http://chronicle.gi/...aising-concern/ "The vessel arrived just days after Spain’s Foreign Minister Josep Borrell met with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, in Madrid and agreed to establish an international group to tackle “fake news”. The Spanish Government has since come under pressure from opposition parties to explain the nature of the agreement" "After the meeting Mr Borrell welcomed Moscow’s support for Spain’s “sovereignty and territorial integrity”, a reference to Catalonia, where Russia had been accused of meddling during the independence drive, but with clear implications too in respect of Spain’s position on Gibraltar." "Luke Coffey, a director at the conservative US think tank The Heritage Foundation tweeted: “[French President Emmanuel] Macron is worried about Trump but yesterday the U.S. increased sanctions against Russia and today Spain welcomes the Russian Navy into its ports. I think Macron should start looking closer to home.”" Si un barometru politic facut in Catalonia. http://upceo.ceo.gen...nglish -908.pdf In continuare, cei mai multi, 47,5%, se simt catalani care traiesc in Catalonia, nu in Spania, 64% considera ca Catalonia are insuficient nivel de autonomie. 39% isi doresc un stat independent, 22% un stat parte a unei Spanii federalizate, 24% situatia actuala. Partidele radicala ERC si CUP au crescut serios in optiunea de voturi. Poate e momentul sa li se ofere rapid catalanilor o autonomie marita. Inainte sa... |
#8745
Posted 27 November 2018 - 18:23
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Asupra autonomiei se poate discuta si asta isi doresc cei mai multi. Impotriva deciziei curtii constitutionale care o decis in 2010 ca_catalanii nu-s o natiune si nu au dreptul la autonomie ? Pai asa ceva ar fi ilegal si ar contrazice constitutia, nu-i asa ? |
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#8746
Posted 27 November 2018 - 21:06
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Curtea constitutionala spaniola a decis ca fostul premier Rajoy a violat constitutia pe perioada celor 10 luni cat a fost premier, prin refuzul de a se supune controlului parlamentar. https://elpais.com/p...067_131665.html
Un mic dictator, baiatul. Acum, se pune evident problema, ce legitimitate mai au deciziile guvernului spaniol, si de ce catalanii ar trebui sa le respecte. Sau, de ce doar catalanii ar trebui sa respecte constitutia spaniola, iar spaniolii nu? |
#8747
Posted 27 November 2018 - 22:11
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Hai, nu zau ??? Impotriva deciziei curtii constitutionale care o decis in 2010 ca_catalanii nu-s o natiune si nu au dreptul la autonomie ? Pai asa ceva ar fi ilegal si ar contrazice constitutia, nu-i asa ?
Curtea constitutionala spaniola a decis ca fostul premier Rajoy a violat constitutia pe perioada celor 10 luni cat a fost premier, prin refuzul de a se supune controlului parlamentar. https://elpais.com/p...067_131665.html Un mic dictator, baiatul. Acum, se pune evident problema, ce legitimitate mai au deciziile guvernului spaniol, si de ce catalanii ar trebui sa le respecte. Sau, de ce doar catalanii ar trebui sa respecte constitutia spaniola, iar spaniolii nu? ![]() Edited by Costel2014, 27 November 2018 - 22:12. |
#8748
Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:14
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Fiind neconstitutionali, inseamna ca ca deciziile lor au fost ilegale. Inclusiv cele luate cu ocazia declararii independentei Catalaniei, sau suspendarea lui Puigdemont. Presedintele a ramas tot timpul cel legitim.
De altfel, prima vizita a noului ministru de externe catalan a fost la Brussels https://www.lavangua...t-bruselas.html probleme cu legalitatea si in justitia spaniola. Apararea lui Jordi Cuixart a cerut schimbarea judecatorilor Curtii supreme, deoarece nu sunt in cnform deciiilor Curtii Europene a Drepturilor Omului http://www.ansamed.i...c50dfba9b5.html Edited by Wotan, 28 November 2018 - 12:18. |
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