Israelul si politica sa, alte altercatii

- Sînt vreo zece laureați Nobel evrei originali (mă refer la școlarizare) de la Technion - Israel Institute of Technology și Hebrew University of Jerusalem (poate mi-a mai scăpat vreunul?), restul sînt occidentali, fiind rezultatul banilor, mediului și institutelor respective:
List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation.

"The universities that have graduated the most Nobel laureates are the University of Cambridge (61), Harvard University (48), Columbia University (38).
The universities with the most Nobel laureates on academic staff before or at the time of award are Columbia University (58), the University of Cambridge (50), and the University of Chicago (43)."

- Este adevărat că și cei cîțiva musulmani laureați sînt tot rodul acelorași universități, menținînd un raport uriaș în favoarea evreilor, eu nu am negat asta, ci doar am arătat cauzele.

Steven Salaita

Four reasons why Americans should oppose Zionism
Friday, 27 August 2010 09:26


Israel has been subject to some bad publicity recently. In 2008-09, it launched a brutal military campaign in the Gaza Strip that killed over 400 Palestinian children. In May, 2010, bumbling Israeli commandos murdered nine nonviolence activists on the relief flotilla Mavi Marmara. It only got worse for Israel when it was revealed that soldiers stole and sold personal items such as laptops from the ship. Last week, former Israeli soldier Eden Abergil posted photos onto Facebook showing her preening in front of blindfolded and despondent Palestinian prisoners, in some instances mocking those prisoners with sexual undertones. The photos were part of an album entitled “IDF—the best time of my life.”

While Abergil’s pictures may not seem as abhorrent as the Gaza and Mavi Marmara brutality—Abergil, for her part, described her behavior as nonviolent and free of contempt—all three actions are intimately connected. First of all, we must dispel the notion that Abergil’s photos are nonviolent. As with the Abu Ghraib debacle, a sexualized and coercive humiliation is being visited on the bodies of powerless, colonized, and incarcerated subjects, which by any reasonable principle is a basal form of violence; there is also the obvious physical violence of Palestinians being bound and blindfolded, presumably in or on their way to prisons nobody will confuse with the Mandarin Oriental.

More important, these recent episodes merely extend an age-old list of Israeli crimes and indignities that illuminate a depravity in the Zionist enterprise itself. What is noteworthy about Israel’s three recent escapades is that more and more people are starting to pay attention to its crimes and indignities. In so doing, more and more people are questioning the origin and meaning of Zionism—that is, the very idea of a legally ethnocentric Israel.

I would like to address this piece to those who have undertaken such questioning or to those who are prepared to initiate it. I would urge you not to limit your critique of Israel only to its errors of judgment or its perceived excesses; it is more productive to challenge the ideology and practice of Zionism itself. There is no noble origin or beautiful ideal to which the wayward Jewish state must return; such yearnings are often duplicitous mythmaking or romanticized nostalgia. Zionists always intended to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, a strategy they carried out and continue to pursue with horrifying efficiency.

Likewise, Zionism was always a colonialist movement, one that relied on the notions of divine entitlement and civilizational superiority that justified previous settlement projects in South Africa, Algeria, and North America. Zionism, by virtue of its exclusionary outlook and ethnocentric model of citizenship, is on its own a purveyor of fundamental violence. The bad PR to which Israel sometimes is subject today is a reflection of changed media dynamics, not a worsening of Israel’s behavior.

The 2008-09 Gaza invasion, the attack on the Mavi Marmara, and Abergil’s Facebook photos aren’t anomalous or extraordinary. They are the invariable result of a Zionist ideology that cannot help but view Palestinian Muslims and Christians as subhuman, no matter how ardently its liberal champions assert that Zionism is a liberation movement. Zionism has the unfortunate effect of proclaiming that one group of people should have access to certain rights from which another group of people is excluded. There is nothing defensible in this proposition.

Here, then, are four reasons why Americans (and all other humans regardless of race or religion) should oppose Zionism:

1. Zionism is unethical and immoral: Because Zionists claim access to land and legal rights that directly obviate the same access to an indigenous community, it operates from within an idea of belonging that is cruel and archaic. Israel bases its primary criterion for citizenship on religious identity. Imagine having your religion on your driver’s license. And imagine having limited access to freeways, farmland, family, education, employment, and foreign travel because the religion by which the state has chosen to identify you is legally marginalized. Such is the daily reality of the Palestinian people.

2. Zionism is racist: This claim isn’t the same as saying that all Zionists are racist. I would make a distinction between the categories of “Zionist” and “Zionism.” However, inherent in the practice of Zionism is a reliance on racialist judgments about who can fully participate in the benefits and practices of a national community. Many Zionists view themselves merely as supporting freedom and safety for Jewish people. I would suggest that people who identify themselves as Zionist look more closely at the ideology they support. Such freedom and safety, both of which are in fact mythologies, come at the direct expense of people confined to Bantustans and refugee camps.

3. Zionism contravenes the geopolitical interests of the United States: Many Americans have heard former Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert boast that he once pulled George W. Bush off the dais while Bush was giving a speech, or more recently current Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announcing that “America is something that can be easily moved.” Israel costs the United States billions of dollars in direct aid and in bribe money to Jordan and Egypt for their docility. Israel also is the main reason for disgruntlement about American foreign policy in the Arab and Muslim Worlds. I raise this point with some hesitation because I believe all citizens of the United States should challenge and not celebrate American geopolitical interests. I would also point out that Zionism’s narrative of salvation and redemption resonates deeply among Americans because of the United States’ origin and continued presence as a nation of settler colonists. In the end, America itself needs to be decolonized and the vast sums of money that support the imperial projects Israel so brazenly exemplifies need to be directed toward the well-being of those who pay the government its taxes.

4. Zionism is fundamentally incompatible with democracy: Israel, as a result, is undemocratic and will be as long as it uses religious identity as the operating criterion of citizenship. We hear much in the United States about Islam being incompatible with democracy, a belief that is historically untrue and that elides the massive military and monetary support the United States provides to the assortment of dictators and plutocrats that rule much of the Arab World. Neoconservative and mainstream commentators both evoke Israel in opposition to Islam as a symbol of democratic achievement, but in reality Israel performs one of the most barbaric forms of oppression today in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (and discriminates against the Palestinian citizens of Israel).

The alternative media engendered by new technology have allowed more people to witness the unremitting violence that has been Israel’s stock in trade for decades. Many consumers of this information and these images believe that Israel is guilty of excess when a simpler explanation exists: Israel is acting out the requisites of an exclusionary and inherently violent ideology.

These days all it takes is a little braggadocio from an ex-soldier such as Eden Abergil to so perfectly symbolize the callousness of Zionist colonization. Ten years ago, the Israeli government’s lies about the IDF killings aboard the Mavi Marmara would have been unchallenged by gruesome cell phone footage. Nobody these days could have stopped the images of white phosphorous exploding and spreading over the Gaza Strip from being aired; Israelis themselves were foolish enough to capture Jewish children writing messages on soon-to-be-launched missiles.

Americans now have all the evidence they need for a reasonable and morally-sound conclusion, that Zionism produces a cruelty and truculence that they bankroll with their taxes and legitimize with either silence or consent. As a result, I am not arguing that Americans should reassess their level of support for Israel. I am arguing that Americans should oppose Zionism altogether. Perhaps in this way we might begin the long and difficult process of redeeming our own nation of its imperial sins.

4 motive ca sa te opui sionismului, articol din presa internationala:

1. Zionism is unethical and immoral: Because Zionists claim access to land and legal rights that directly obviate the same access to an indigenous community, it operates from within an idea of belonging that is cruel and archaic. Israel bases its primary criterion for citizenship on religious identity. Imagine having your religion on your driver?s license. And imagine having limited access to freeways, farmland, family, education, employment, and foreign travel because the religion by which the state has chosen to identify you is legally marginalized. Such is the daily reality of the Palestinian people.

2. Zionism is racist: This claim isn?t the same as saying that all Zionists are racist. I would make a distinction between the categories of ?Zionist? and ?Zionism.? However, inherent in the practice of Zionism is a reliance on racialist judgments about who can fully participate in the benefits and practices of a national community. Many Zionists view themselves merely as supporting freedom and safety for Jewish people. I would suggest that people who identify themselves as Zionist look more closely at the ideology they support. Such freedom and safety, both of which are in fact mythologies, come at the direct expense of people confined to Bantustans and refugee camps.

3. 1.Israel costs the United States billions of dollars in direct aid and in bribe money to Jordan and Egypt for their docility.
2.Israel also is the main reason for disgruntlement about American foreign policy in the Arab and Muslim Worlds.
3In the end, America itself needs to be decolonized and the vast sums of money that support the imperial projects Israel so brazenly exemplifies need to be directed toward the well-being of those who pay the government its taxes.

4.
1.Zionism is fundamentally incompatible with democracy: Israel, as a result, is undemocratic and will be as long as it uses religious identity as the operating criterion of citizenship.
2.We hear much in the United States about Islam being incompatible with democracy, a belief that is historically untrue and that elides the massive military and monetary support the United States provides to the assortment of dictators and plutocrats that rule much of the Arab World.
3.Neoconservative and mainstream commentators both evoke Israel in opposition to Islam as a symbol of democratic achievement, but in reality Israel performs one of the most barbaric forms of oppression today in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (and discriminates against the Palestinian citizens of Israel).

Steven Salaita

Four reasons why Americans should oppose Zionism
Friday, 27 August 2010 09:26


Israel has been subject to some bad publicity recently. In 2008-09, it launched a brutal military campaign in the Gaza Strip that killed over 400 Palestinian children.

In May, 2010, bumbling Israeli commandos murdered nine nonviolence activists on the relief flotilla Mavi Marmara.

there is also the obvious physical violence of Palestinians being bound and blindfolded, presumably in or on their way to prisons nobody will confuse with the Mandarin Oriental.

In so doing, more and more people are questioning the origin and meaning of Zionism?that is, the very idea of a legally ethnocentric Israel.

Zionists always intended to ethnically cleanse Palestinians

Zionism has the unfortunate effect of proclaiming that one group of people should have access to certain rights from which another group of people is excluded. There is nothing defensible in this proposition.

Israel bases its primary criterion for citizenship on religious identity.

Imagine having your religion on your driver?s license. And imagine having limited access to freeways, farmland, family, education, employment, and foreign travel because the religion by which the state has chosen to identify you is legally marginalized. Such is the daily reality of the Palestinian people.

JUST. Nu e casa lor.

In casa mea eu hotarisc cine are drepturi. Cui nu-I convine sa pleca la casa lui.

Un pic off-topic, scuze.


Citatele astea sunt bune pe unde urli tu ca disperatul despre holocaustul din Romania. Sau daca e indreptat impotriva voastra nu se mai pune?

mda
holocaustul din Romania
ce mai ai de spus in apararea ta inainte de pronuntam sentinta?

... eu n-am cerut vreun nobăl palestinian, ci UN ARTICOL. UNU!
...

ce mai ai de spus in apararea ta inainte de pronuntam sentinta?

Sa nu uitam nici de teroristii evrei rusofili din Basarabia care colaborau cu ocupantul si trageau pe la spate in armata romana care se retragea si care au fost pedepsiti apoi desigur. Pe ei cine i-a chemat si cine i-a pus sa faca treaba aia?

4 motive ca sa te opui sionismului, articol din presa internationala:

- Da, cînd ai să-mi arăți și tu realizările deosebite științifice demne de un Nobel a femeilor, negrilor, nativilor americani sau australieni, eschimoșilor, patagonezilor sau chinezilor mai ales, de exemplu. Nu pricepi că este un fel de "pat al lui Procust" după calapod occidental?
- Uite un alt mod de reprezentare, la Israel e un singur premiat, restul sînt în contul SUA, ca și majoritatea Ashkenazi. Piramida necesităților îți spune ceva? Doar după îndeplinirea necesităților treptei inferioare poți urca mai sus. Dintr-un bantustan nu scoți creativitate de nivel înalt că-ți lipsesc vreo trei condiții sau trepte (nu e chiar așa în Palestina, dar nici prea roz). Nu poți face cercetări asupra difracției în monomerul cutare dacă n-ai fonduri, aparate, echipă, etc., multe nu merg pe hîrtie decît pînă la un punct, și asta după mulți ani de studiu în mediu academic.

concret, ce ți-au făcut dumitale sioniștii?


bla bla. cine te ține mă să rămâi rudimentar? CINE? n-ai de mâncare, produ. nu cultivi decât nisip? nașpa, ian te uită că-n israel acuș nu se mai cultivă nisip. deci. nu solu e dă vină ci omu de-l cultivă. adică musulmanu e puturos, îndoctrinat, cu educația la minim da cu gura mare.
israelul produce lucruri de care se bucură toată lumea. chiar și numa prin prisma dezvoltărilor științifice. ce produc hamașii? praf. las că d-ăsta avem și noi. are orișicine. altceva? cacamaka. nu mersi, e destul.

Pai in primul rand nu mai exista un stat al lor care sa fie recunoscut. Ei sunt sub ocupatie israeliana. Cum poti face export daca nu ai statut juridic ?
Apoi sunt sub embargou. Nu intra si nu iese decat ce vrea muschiu lu israel.
Apoi fabricile si uzinele au fost bombardate.
1,5 milioane de oameni locuiesc in 90 kmp. Nici macar teren agricol nu au.

Tu ai tupeul sa zici ca "cine ii tine" ? Ori nu gandesti, ori ai o simpatie oarba pentru evrei.

Hai mai selame, mai las-o moarta cu textul "doar evreii sunt de vina". Aia din Arabia Saudita stau efectiv pe un porcoi de bani. Si n-au nici pe sfert din dezvoltarea israelului. Evreul, spre deosebire de arab, atunci cand isi pune in cap ceva chiar face. Daca nu veneau evreii in teritoriul actual, ar fi fost acelasi desert ca acum 100 de ani.

eu nu înțeleg o treabă, omu e într-o țară cât de cât de mâna a doua (nu a 3-a, 4-a, etc.) stat membru ue, educație la liber, alea alea. bine, o grăma de alte enajunsuri da una peste alta e mai bine decât în alte părți, și, în loc să se bucure de educația pe care poa s-o primească aici, omu rezonează cu primitivismu. asta mă depășește, de fapt nu, da vorba vine

Cum poti avea o economie minimala daca tara ta e ocupata