MISA & Bivolaru - pro si contra

Buna ziua la toata lumea.

Salut aceasta superba decizie de infiintare a unui forum spiritual romanesc. Daca el isi va implini scopul pentru care a fost creat cred ca va fi o mare reusita a Binelui de pe aceasta planeta si din Romania.

Voi incerca sa ajut si eu acest "proiect spiritual" de anvergura cu posibilitatile mele. Un prim pas pe care doresc sa-l fac este acela de a oferi celor interesati citeva dintre multele adevaruri ascunse cu grija de "oculta malefica" a planetei in ceea ce priveste scoala de Yoga MISA, al carui mentor spiritual este dl. Gregorian Bivolaru. Pas cu pas sper sa ofer citeva informatii care sa arate motivele pentru care dl. Bivolaru este atit de vinat, birfit si calomniat, iar MISA este atit de negru si murdar prezentata de mass media obedienta masoneriei si clanurilor mafiote din Romania si din afara tarii. Ceea ce au facut acesti indivizi perversi si meschini este o ampla campanie de manipulare, de denigrare si demitizare a scolii MISA, a d-lui Bivolaru si invataturii spirituale cu totul aparte oferite in cadrul scolii de Yoga MISA. In acest sens acestia s-au folosit de calomnie, minciuna, exagerarea si prezentarea tendentioasa a unor adevaruri, etc. Ziarele, televiziunile si chiar internetul au fost umplute de tot felul de astfel de mizerii manipulatorii ce sint expuse de niste indivizi meschini ce-si aroga titlul de "oameni de bine", oameni ce ne vor binele si vor sa ne informeze "corect" si "obiectiv" despre neregulile pe care ei le intilnesc in societate, in viata si chiar viata spiritual-religioasa a romanului. Astfel, acesti "acoliti ai minciunii si manipularii" ne prezinta pe toate aceste canale publice "nedreptatile", "neregulile" si "non-spiritualitatea" ce sint intilnite (de ei) la MISA, la dl. Bivolaru, la unii yoghini si participanti in cadrul scolii de Yoga MISA. Ceea ce este frapant pentru o minte inteligenta si rationala este ca acesti calomniatori ne prezinta DOAR asa zise nereguli sau parti rele ale invataturii MISA, ale d-lui Bivolaru etc. Ca de exemplu, din miile de tehnici si practici si invataturi spirituale predate la cursul de yoga MISA sint prezentate doar 3-5 dintre ele si evident ca fiind rele, deviate, nespirituale, etc. Ceea ce doresc eu acum intr-o prima faza este sa expun prin intermediul acestui excelent site spiritual si parte din aspectele spirituale prezentate de MISA, mai precis unele aspecte care "acolitii minciunii si manipularii" le ascund si nu le comenteaza in paralel cu asa zisele aspecte negative pe care ei le-ar fi descoperit (a se citi inventat), cum ar face un real si bineintentionat om de presa, un asa zis "om de bine", impartial si obiectiv. Oricum va las sa judecati singuri informatiile (text, audio si video) pe care voi incerca sa le ofer.

Eu personal sint un cursant al scolii de Yoga MISA si am ales acest nick (1%) in urma citirii unor afirmatii eronate si tendentioase ale unor astfel de "acoliti ai minciunii" care spuneau despre cei care formeaza umanitatea ca sint majoritatea (99%) si ca ei, majoritatea, detin adevarul si constituie etalonul dupa care se judeca oamenii, spiritualitatea si viata in sine, si nu cei 1% (care in opinia lor ar trebui sa mergem la culcare pentru ca noi, cei 1%, am fi cei beti (orbi) si nu ei, majoritatea de 99%) care au idei inovatoare, spirituale despre lume si viata, despre realitatea inconjuratoare, procent in care erau integrati si acei yoghini din MISA care mai iau pe ici pe colo (pe Internet) atitudine impotriva acestei campanii mizere de dezinformare. Din acest motiv am ales sa ma semnez cu acest simbolic "1%". Nu degeaba se spune in majoritatea cailor spirituale ca drumul catre Tinta Finala este ingust si rezervat celor putini. Nu este o etalare de tip "elitist", ci mai degraba o reactie de tip "manifest" impotriva acestora ce cred ca multimea are adevarul si dreptatea de partea lor doar pentru motivul ca sint "mai multi" sau "majoritatatea".    


Asa sa ne ajute Dumnezeu pe toti si pe fiecare in parte cum facem si sintem in Voia Lui.

Inca un lucru.
Am avut cateva intalniri intamplatoare in ultima vreme in oras cu fosti colegi de curs. Aproape invariabil s-au manifestat ciudat in ce priveste limbajul non-verbal, reactiile fiind in general de respingere, evitare sau curiozitate evidenta dar neexprimata verbal. Am incercat sa intru in vorba cu doi dintre ei. Unul m-a evitat cu totul, si a trecut pe langa mine in graba ca si cand nu ar fi observat ca ma indreptam spre el, iar cu altul am reusit sa discut niste banalitati, insa tot timpul pastra o expresie de uimire pe fata. Chiar imi venea sa ii spun la un moment dat: "ce ai de te uiti asa la mine? mi-a crescut un corn in frunte si nu mi-am dat inca seama?".
Asa ca, Hor, cosci, Marian, vreau sa va intreb ce naiba se discuta in interiorul MISA-ei despre forumul SP? Ce prostii raspandesc instructorii de au inceput fosti colegi de-ai mei sa se poarte atat de ciudat?
Si inca ceva. Am devenit si eu un pic paranoic dupa toate schimburile de replici de aici sau toate meditatiile alea cu Chinnamasta din tabara au vreo legatura cu ce s-a scris si se scrie pe forumul asta despre MISA?

Naga, meditatiile de la Costinesti cu Cinnamasta au rol de pedepsire. Cunosti aspectele acesteia, ea nu stopeaza ci pedepseste fara discutie, ea "taie capul" nu indoaie coloane vertebrale, ori mai stiu eu ce. Meditatiile sunt indreptate clar impotriva oricarui dusman declarat si nedeclarat al MISA, cu atat mai grav e daca persoana e cunoscuta. E ca la biserica , atunci cand mergi si dai acatiste cu numele precis al persoanei. Meditatiile nu sunt numai ptr. forumul SP, ci pentru toti cei care il ataca pe monstrul nepedepsit, care crede ca are dreptul  de a face ce vrea cu oricine.

Oricum daca vei lucra cu Bagalamukhi, nu vei mai avea avea nici acele vise. Totul se duce, se blocheaza.  Mai vorbim, Dont, worry!

PS. Avand in vedere ritmul in care creste numarul de vizualizari ale acestui topic, nu cred ca "misanii" nu stiu ce se discuta sau ce se intampla.

Nu exista civilizatie "iudeo-crestina". Sintagma "iudeo-crestinism" este o contradictie in termeni, precum ai zice "satano-dumnezeism".  

Exista civilizatie crestina si civilizatie iudaica. Crestinismul este bazat pe invatatura lui Iisus, in timp ce iudaismul continua sa subziste datorita crimei fata de Iisus si prin opunerea fata de invataturile Sale.

Evident ca pana la urma, fiindca se opune lui Dumnezeu, religia mozaica va dispare, si incercarea evreilor de a se asocia de crestinism este un banal tertip de camuflare, pe care de altfel evreii il practica pe scara larga schimbandu-si numele cu unul din tara in care se afla, vezi cazul mediatizat azi al lui Silviu Brucan, care in realitate este un evreu pe care il chema Saul Bruckner.

Intre timp insa Monica Cesa a parasit aceasta lume - fie ca Bunul Dumnezeu s-o odihneasca-n pace! - si au inceput sa apara explicatii "esoterice" ale mortii ei, pe de o parte, iar pe de alta parte articolul a fost sters din baza de date yogaesoteric (sau eu nu-l mai gasesc ... poate ma insel).

Eu sper ca membrii MISA au inteles ca sunt o comunitate esoterica inchisa si ca nimeni nu are ceva contra lor daca nu se agita la modul exagerat.

Poate ca retragerea lor este de bun augur, cine stie ?

Speri sa scapi pana la urma in felul asta de prostiile lui Aurel? Chiar daca misanii s-au retras temporar de pe topicul asta, nu cred ca o sa scapi asa de usor de el si colegii lui pe alte topicuri.
Iar misanii au ramas in forma pe alte forumuri, mai ales pe forumurile ziarelor. Si mai ramane si yogaesoteric, unde banuiesc ca or sa mai apara si alte super-articole despre mega-extra-conspiratia iudeo-masonica.
Ar fi bine daca au invatat pana la urma ceva din toate confruntarile astea, dar eu raman sceptic pana la proba contrarie.

Who is Natha?

Natha consists of teachers and students in a yoga group.
The teachers at Natha appear caring people and you are welcomed into a relaxed, loving atmosphere. The teachers use material published by Grigorian Bivolaru, popularly known as Grieg. In Denmark, it is headed up by a Rumanian, Mihai Stoian (according to the Natha website). Students come from a broad spectrum of Danes. Yoga is taught in several Danish towns and cities.

What does Natha say they are?

Natha is a Yoga school originally from the Rumanian yoga school, MISA. MISA is headed up by Griegorian Bivolaru (known as Grieg) who recently applied for political asylum in Sweden. He has been accused of relations with an underage girl, tax evasion and people smuggling.

Naturally enough, it is shocking to hear that a school one has been involved with is headed up by someone facing serious charges.

According to the Natha website, the day-to-day manager in Denmark is Mihai Stoian.

Associations must have a Board. I have never heard of a Board meeting in Natha. It was common knowledge (at least amongst the inner circle) that the association route was used since it meant no accounts had to be filed. It was also common knowledge that all decisions were taken without a board meeting being held and that minutes were written up afterwards. The association’s Articles of Association show that an Extraordinary General Meeting was advertised in Danish tabloid BT. I would love to see a receipt for the advertisement.

Are they what they say they are?

They may well wish to appear as an association but in reality, the power structure is not democratic (unlike a genuine club). During my time at Natha, I was very close to the inner circle and the real Natha management (Dino and Mihai). Mihai wanted advice on how Natha should be structured in future. We agreed that the most appropriate way would be either a foundation or a holding company which would own the shares and holdings in the properties where those at the heart of Natha lived. This would also solve the problem of IP rights for the material provided to students. If Natha was only an association, there might be the risk of the current managers being voted out, thus losing their rights to the material. I would think that this is how it is still currently structured. Further, authorisation was to be given at a so-called board meeting for a gift of DKK X million to the foundation. This way, the foundation would always be in a position to demand payment of the agreed amount in the event of board members who were not under the control of the actual management being elected. The effect would be to dissolve the association since it would not be able to honour the commitment. They would just need to ensure that the association did not accumulate any capital. This was achieved by having Natha pay royalties to the foundation for the right to use material.

Why was ”Tea and Tantra sex in Tisvilde” not republished?

This was partly because it had an extremely negative impact on Natha's membership figures, and because of disapproval by many of the students' parents. And partly because several of those involved had not been asked whether they wished to participate and because TV2 changed the original format under which the programme would be broadcast.

Why not be truthful about what is going on?

There have been masses or rumours about Natha and MISA involvement in pornography and human trafficking. Is there any truth in the accusations//speculations?

In my dealings with Mihai, I was introduced to a whole range of things. He asked me whether I would be his driver. This was especially when he did not want other people to know what he was up to. However, I have not assisted him this way since the spring of 2005.
Natha says that it is a Tantric school and that intensity paves the way to transformation. If you want to have intensity, why not just be honest about it?

Are Natha/MISA liars?

The most difficult thing to accept about Natha is that they lie and steal in God's name. The end justifies the means. For me, the worst thing was being conditioned to lie. Mihai told me that truth has many facets and that this was OK as long as the end could be justified. Grieg himself liked to tell the story of the monk who was known for his inability to tell a lie and who saved the inhabitants of a town by lying to a warlord who was sure that the monk would tell the truth about where the residents had gone. It did not alter the fact that it was a lie.

Are Natha/MISA involved in pornography?

They set up a production company called ”Erotic art”, which they operated from Hungary for a while. Their films are traded in Denmark for example by the BN Agency, with titles such as ”Erotic secrets”, ”Sexual secrets”, ”Pee or not to Pee for ecstasy”, ”Exaltation of Pee” and you can even have all four in one "Giant box". The titles are listed on the BN Agency website at www.bnagentur.dk

Who stars in these sex films?

A wide range of Natha and MISA members with a few professional actors.

Are known Natha Denmark members in the films?

If Mihai, his wife and various yoga teachers from Købmagergade/Bhoga means 'known', the answer is yes.

Are Natha/MISA involved in erotic web chat services?

Yes, in Rumania, Hungary and also Denmark. Various girls from Natha have been active up at Bhoga.

Are other sexual activities on offer?

Yes, visit http://www.bhoga.dk/wildvenus where erotic dancing and striptease by Natha students/teacher are on offer. Students/teachers also operate at assorted strip bars in Copenhagen.

Do they recommend open relationships?

Yes, and if one partner was not prepared to accept such relationships, they were told to be unfaithful anyway but to be discreet, that is lie about it. When I started at Natha, I was amazed how they treated each other and how little compassion was shown. In fact, rather than try to help people, they tended to laugh at them. I tried to identify any couple that had started out at Natha as a couple and who remained so after having opened their relationship. I never succeeded in finding one. Even couples who had met up at Natha and lived in an open relationship were jealous. However, this was more indirectly displayed than directly. I also saw how they switched partners in the same way they changed their underwear - to put it crudely. It is a mystery to me how it is possible to create spiritual contact by having superficial contact. Most relationships only lasted a few months at most. As I see it, it was not possible to build up a deeply loving relationship. They just dropped each other as soon as the initial passion had worn off. I would say that most confused love with lust.

Is Natha involved in human trafficking

Yes, on the basis that girls are sent to Japan as call girls. Even Mihai's wife has been there. So it has to be a question of definition.

The main question is, is it illegal? Were they subject to coercion?

If you ask the people who have done it, it was always f their own free will. So is that wrong?

Mihai told me how they stole building supplies at night in Rumania and how they kidnapped a couple in Hungary who wanted to cut Mihai out while running video sex chats - and frightened them into not doing so. That at least is illegal but unfortunately I only have his word for what happened.

When Natha moved premises to Købmagergade, Mihai took the surplus that had been built up in the Prema housing association which acts as an Ashram on Amager. The money was used to improve the new premises on Købmagergade.
Major works were also planned by Prema. How would they be financed? They had the offer of a log cabin if they would remove it themselves. They did so and first bought a beachside property facing Frederiksværk to put the cabin on. Unfortunately it needed to have some piling done and the seller had "forgotten" to say so and the deal was cancelled. Instead they bought a site up at Odden and the cabin was installed there. Whether they managed to sell it and how much they earned on it are good questions. Another good question is what happened to any profit?

What about the computer programmes they use at Natha? Did they buy them?

The answer is No. They use pirate copies.
Mikael Eriksson started a magazine called ”Logos”. What programmes does he use to make the magazine? Does he have licences for any of these programmes?
Where I come from, that is theft - and it appears to me that there is a 'red thread' running through everything.

So is Natha/MISA involved? ... ce zice, ce zice?

On various occasions, involvement by Natha//MISA has been denied. However, it is strange that everybody at the top knows what is going on and approves - even encourages it. It is also strange that they are all members of one of the oganisations under discussion. Everyone is a volunteer and everything is done in line with a spiritual practice - ”karma yoga” - right from porno recordings to building works.

Is Natha a sect ? - nuuu! a zis-o corcodel, marele specialist in secte la procesu' lu' grigusoru!

- Well, you might say there a strong sectarian tendencies.

Page 17 of Juri Lina’s ”Architects of Deception” says as follows, and I quote:
”The Swedish Association Save the Individual (FRI), which combats sects and ”saves” people from authoritarian organizations, has listed the criteria that define a destructive movement:
      False declaration of intention and misleading descriptions when recruiting members.
      Manipulation by psychological methods (mind control) is used during recruitment and indoctrination.
      An all-powerful leader who demands total subjection and claims to have special knowledge and powers.
      The ideology must not be questioned, doubt is something evil, which must be fought.
      The image of reality is black and white: the members are the chosen (good), everything outside of the movement is evil and must be opposed.
      There is a lot of money involved, which sometimes emanates from crime.”

End of quotation.

There is a striking similarity on several of these points. Curiously, the description comes from Freemasonry. The book is also available at Natha.
Mihai told me he was taught manipulation during Rumanian military service and I have to say I am impressed how he gets on with politicians and people from whom he gets help in various ways.
If someone has difficulties, his comment to the person is: ”It is just because you have a big ego”, instead of talking to them and showing compassion for them.

Have they committed criminal financial acts?

How did they raise the funds for the activities run by Natha/MISA? They have invested in land and have built property in Rumania. Some funds come from donations. I know that money has been transferred from Natha in Denmark to MISA.

I was at a party in Rumania with a group of girls who were doing a video sex programme and one of the girls who had achieved the greatest turnover got a brand new car (ati vazut masinile la mare, baieti, sau in fata la pipera?!), so they must have been earning something! I was with Mihai and his wife. Payment for video chat shows was by cheque to a Rumanian. The person involved went to Rumania and paid the cheque into a bank account. The money was taken out and the girl got a share.

Mihai was involved with several companies in Rumania that were set up to raise funds for MISA. One of the companies sold school equipment and books and was tax exempt because of the kind of articles they sold.

He also started the Ganesha publishing house, which meant MISA could get material free.

What are the funds from WildVenus/Strip bars used for - unless they go to Natha? Do people remember to report their income to the tax department?(cum sa mai tiii minte asta cand te gandesti numai la ... Dumnezeu)

In any event, they do not comply with current legislation and good ethical practice.

Conclusion.

If you have anything to do with Natha, be careful how involved you get. Not everything is as it appears from the outside.

Am I angry with Natha? - No, just disappointed.

Disappointed that people who make out that they are concerned with spirituality then go and behave as they do.

Of course I can see that they would ideally like to operate at such a lovely place. Unfortunately, Natha's managers do not provide a proper grounding for trainees and teach them to take responsibility. In fact, this reflects management's failure to do the same.
If you have had unpleasant experiences you would like to share with others, mail me.

It would be interesting to see how many other people have an unpleasant aftertaste after having come across Natha. We could set up a discussion forum for a more extensive debate on the subject.

Send me your thoughts.

Contact.

Kim Schmock
e-mail: [email protected]

Naga,
Exista pe RGNpress.ro/forum, la sectiune Politic, un topic deschis de Valentin Manoliu referitor la mega conspiratia iudeo/masonica/KGB/Mossad, intitulat- Scrisoare deschisa Presedintelui Romaniei/ Criminalii. Sunt 4 asemenea scrisori. Insa forumul este gol, nu exista postari.
el este Valentinman, si semneaza- un fost salariat al Ministerului Afacerilor Externe.
Este prima data cand il citesc pe acest om. Nu-i stiu cartea. Insa ce m-a mirat este ca are atata informatie exacta, nume, cifre, ani, date, de te doare capul. In plus isi exprima bine ideile, nu precum GB, balabait, si vag, atinge si problema MISA  in cateva randuri. Sigur, numeste pe toti masonii, evreii din Guvern, banci, afaceri, etc. Poate mergi, mergeti sa-l vedeti.  
De asemena mai posteaza aceste scrisori si pe Curaj.net Oricum dincolo de razboiul deschis dintre MISA si Masonerie,si deci de topicul adoptat automat  de acest om odata intrat la scoala de yoga, Manoliu mi se pare de departe cel mai apt de a scrie ceva, dintre toti "scriitorii" semidocti, ori simplu neaveniti  ce vor cu totdinadinsul sa innegreasca hartia.

Tapas - stiu ca sunt la MISA si oameni buni, am mai zis-o. E bine ca ati facut ceva pentru Monica.
facuti peste noapte

Dar curiosii (si mai ales cei cred ca sunt minciuni lucrurile astea) pot cauta pe google titlurile astea ...
de exemplu "To pee or not to pee for ecstasy" gasim aici http://www.danishsex.......=0&p_id=132 - click pe imagini si o sa fie cate un slideshow ... 14 casete cu "to pee" in care ochiul cunoscatorului va recunoaste foarte multe fetse si fete ... nu dau nume (hai sa zicem doar Aida Calin - reincarnarea lu' dakini) TOATE CURSANTE YOGA!

piraterie software ... haha ... pai aici in Romania iti intra mascatii pe fereastra daca ai Windows 95 fara licenta, dar la astia, in Danemarca, nu-i problema!

ii scriem lui Kim? ce ziceti?