Situatia din Egipt - sfarsitul epocii Mubarak

nestor, on 16th February 2011, 15:17, said:

ai dreptate. Generalizarea nu e buna. Sunt convins ca sunt f. multi egipteni, iraniei etc oameni corecti, civilizati, mai inteligenti si mai culti ca noi etc. Ca in orice natie. Si la noi sau in alta tara oricare ar fi ea sunt oameni rai, prost crescuti, violenti etc.
Doar ca ponderea celor dintr-o anumita societate care se deduc la diferite acte si actiuni este foarte diferita.
La fel cred ca oamenii sunt la fel la un nivel primar, nevoi de baza.
Incep sa se diferentieze apoi prin aspiratii, vointa, capacitate de a se adapta, capacitatea de face lucrurile sa mearga.

pana la urma societatea este formata din oamenii care o compun si nu putem spune ca societatea este necivilizata sau rea ci oamenii sunt de fapt. Si societatile sunt fooooarte diverite.

Se poate vedea ca o anumita rasa are inclinatii spre un anumit domeniu mai mult decat o a alta rasa. Fara legatura aici cu ceva rasist anyway.

Anonymous and the global correction

A loosely organised group of hackers is targeting oppressive regimes and says this is just the beginning.
The tendency to relate past events to what is possible in the present becomes more difficult as the scope of the geopolitical environment changes. It is a useful thing, then, to ask every once in a while if the environment has recently undergone any particular severe changes, thereby expanding our options for the future.
Terminology, let alone our means of exchanging information, has changed to such a degree that many essential discussions in today's "communications age" would be entirely incomprehensible to many two decades ago.
As the social, political and technological environment has developed, some have already begun to explore new options, seizing new chances for digital activism - and more will soon join in. It is time for the rest of the world to understand why.
Service denied
When a release by WikiLeaks revealed the depravity of just how corrupt and horrid the Tunisian government really was, it prompted Tunisians to step up active dissent and take to the streets en masse for the first time.
In response, a loose network of participants within the international Anonymous protest organisation attacked non-essential government websites - those not providing direct services to Tunisians - at the prompting of our contacts.
Several such sites were replaced with a message of support to the Tunisian people, while others were pushed offline via distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks, involving thousands of computer users who request large amounts of data from a website simultaneously, overwhelming it.
Other assistance programmes followed, even after the deposed Ben Ali fled the nation that reviled him, with Anonymous and other parties working with Tunisians - both in-country and abroad - to provide the nation's people with the tools and information resources they needed to begin building up new, reasonable political institutions capable of ensuring a freer civic life.
Our "Guide to Protecting the Tunisian Revolution" series - a collaboration between hundreds of veterans of traditional revolutionary movements as well as practitioners of "new activism" - were disseminated both online and in print; aside from tips on safety during confrontation and the like, these also explain how to establish secure yet accessible networks and communications for Tunisians, as well as instructions on establishing neighbourhood syndicates capable of uniting in common cause.
Already, such organisations are being established across Tunisia, just as they will be established elsewhere as the movement proceeds.
The seeds of cyber revolution
Anonymous is a means by which people across the globe can assist in the hard work being performed by the Tunisian people - who have long taken issue with their government, but first began protesting in earnest after a fruit vendor set himself ablaze in response to police cruelty.
The Anonymous movement itself grew out of message boards frequented mostly by young people with an interest in internet culture in general - and Japanese media in particular; in 2005, participants began "attacking" internet venues as a sort of sport, and in the process honed their skills in a way that proved useful in "information warfare".
In 2007, some users proposed that the Church of Scientology be exposed for its unethical and sometimes violent conduct, sparking a coordinated global protest movement that differed from anything else seen, and which still continues today.
The Australian government was later attacked for introducing new internet censorship laws, and in the meantime, those within Anonymous who see the subculture as a potential force for justice have launched other efforts while also building new strategies and recruiting individuals from across the globe - some of whom hold significant positions in media, industry, and the sciences.
For great justice
In the meantime, there are obstacles to overcome. Those within the Tunisian government who seek to deny liberty to "their" people are easy enough to deal with; the greatest threat to revolution comes not from any state but rather from those who decry such revolutions without understanding them.
In this case, the idea that a loose network of people with shared values and varying skill sets can provide substantial help to a population abroad is seen as quixotic - or even unseemly - by many of those who have failed to understand the past ten years, as well as those whose first instinct is to attack a popular revolt rather than to assist it.
Elsewhere, a number of US pundits decided to criticise the revolution as possibly destabilising the region; many of whom once demanded the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan - and greeted every Arab revolt as the work of President Bush - but now see nothing for themselves in the cause of Arab liberty.
Some have even portrayed the movement as the work of radical Islamists - yet most cannot find Tunisia on a map.
Suffice to say that the results of our efforts are already on display and will become more evident as Tunisians use our tools and resources to achieve their greatest triumph. Those who wish to assist and are competent to do so can find us easily enough; the Tunisians had little trouble in doing so.
Although we have made great progress in convincing individuals from across the world to join our efforts in Tunisia, other campaigns, such as those taking place in Algeria and Egypt - both of which have seen government websites taken down and/or replaced by Anonymous, more must be done before the movement takes the next step towards a worldwide network capable of perpetual engagement against those who are comfortable with tyranny.
The revolution will be broadcast
Whatever effort is required, such a goal is not only possible, but rather unambitious.
There is a reason, after all, that those of us who have seen the movement up close have dedicated our lives to what it stands for, and have even violated the modern Western taboo of believing in something.
I have been involved with Anonymous in some capacity or another for about six years.
Looking back at my writing over that time, I have found that my predictions, while always enthusiastic, nonetheless turned out to have been conservative; when Australia became the first state to come under attack by this remarkable force, I proposed that we would someday see such allegedly inevitable institutions begin to crumble in the face of their growing irrelevance.
Someday turned out to be this year.
Today, I predict that Anonymous and entities like it will become far more significant over the next few years than is expected by most of our similarly irrelevant pundits - and this will, no doubt, turn out to be just as much of an understatement as anything else that has been written on the subject.
The fact is that the technological infrastructure that allows these movements has been in place for well under a decade - but phenomena such as WikiLeaks and Anonymous have already appeared, expanded, and even become players within the geopolitical environment; others have come about since.
This is the future, whether one approves or not, and the failure on the part of governments and media alike to understand, and contend with the rapid change now afoot, ought to remind everyone concerned why it is that this movement is necessary in the first place.
Interesant. Asta chiar suna a 2011. Sursa :
http://english.aljaz...1487750509.html

Tocmai am vorbit cu cineva care s-a intors de cateva zile din Hurghada . Pustiu , hoteluri goale , egipteni care stau de o luna si ceva fara un servici si  care asteapta cu sufletul la gura turisti . In restul tarii lumea este inca euforica si se asteapta eliberarea detinutilor politici, desfacerea granitelor , bani mai multi .

adi_ab, on 25th February 2011, 11:30, said:

In sharm a scazut gradul de ocupare a hotelurilor de la 85% pe la mijlocul lui ianuarie la 10-11% la mijlocul lui februarie . Nu-mi amintesc sursa , era un site strain .

Ceva noutati? A venit cineva recent din Egypt?

Inca gradul de ocupare este foarte scazut in hotelurile din Egipt . Spre finalul lunii aprilie o sa avem mai multe semnale ( deja vor fi pornite charterele noastre)

De pe 26 martie pornesc Charterele spre Sharm , prin Aprilie spre Hurghada

M-am uitat pe site-ul aeroportului din Sharm si am vazut ca Thomson si Thomas Cook Airlines  au reluat charterele dinspre Anglia , insa activitatea e inca foarte redusa .

Edited by menumorut81, 16 March 2011 - 10:01.

Si din Budapesta sunt reluate si din Germania si Austria prin TUI , dar cum am spus foarte slab inca

De cateva saptamani se pare ca este liniste in tot Egiptul.
Eu aveam de gand anul asta sa ajung in februarie, martie in Hurghada, dar evenimentele petrecute acolo mi-au schimbat planurile pentru viitorul apropiat.
Cred ca in Hurghada sau Sharm nu era pericol.
Charterul Tarom de sambata 26.03. catre Sharm a fost anulat cu toate ca agentiile anuntau reluarea zborului.
Cand vor capata romanii incredere din nou in turismul din Egipt ?

În Egipt e liniștea dinaintea furtunii.

Părerea mea e că multă vreme de aici încolo nu se va mai putea vorbi de turism în siguranță în Egipt. Țara aia e un butoi cu pulbere, un război pe scară largă în regiune e posibil oricând, cineva trebuie să aibă o doză maximă de inconștiență să plece acolo ca turist într-un asemenea context.

floryyn, on 30th March 2011, 09:12, said:

Pari atat de sigur in ceea ce scrii !!! Pe ce te bazezi ?
A fost vreun turist agresat in Hurghada si Sharm ?
Iata azi 30.03.2011 charterele rusesti aterizeaza in Hurghada si Sharm. Si cred ca de mai mult timp, nu am urmarit acest lucru.

http://hurghada-hrg-...com/airport.php
http://sharm-el-shei...ity.com/flights

Tot azi la ora 14.00 vine la aterizare si un Thomas Cook din Anglia in Sharm, iar la 16.30, 16.40, 16.45 inca 3 englezesti ( 1 Easy si 2 Thomson ).

http://sharm-el-shei...ity.com/flights

Englezii si rusii sunt atat de inconstienti incat sa isi riste viata ?

In statiuni a fost si este liniste, de unde alarmarea asta

raul_6776, on 30th March 2011, 10:01, said:

De unde toata alarma asta ? In statiuni e liniste, la fel si prin Cairo si alte locuri. Am citit pe un site strain ca gradul de ocupare pe riviera e de 25 - 30%, mult peste asteptari. EadsyJet opereaza linistit din Geneva spre Sharm si Hurghada cu cursele destul de pline (am vazut coada la boarding acum cateva zile, 90% non-egipteni dupa fata, dupa culoarea parului

Edited by Imperator, 30 March 2011 - 11:41.

Taromul are normal sambata 02.04. cursa charter spre Sharm.
Se mai vorbea si de compania Nesma Airlines cu chartere din Cluj si Bucuresti catre cele 2 mari aeroporturi din statiunile egiptene.

Azi 31.03.2011 aterizeaza in Hurghada si Sharm el-Sheikh si chartere din Germania sau Belgia.

http://hurghada-hrg-...com/airport.php

Iar din Anglia foarte multe chartere intre orele 15-18 pentru Sharm.

http://sharm-el-shei...ity.com/flights

Cu ce data si charterele din Romania ?

raul_6776, on 31st March 2011, 11:32, said:

16 aprilie .

Trebuiau sa incepa cu vreo 2 sapt mai repede , dar noua data este asa cum zicea menumorut 16 Aprile

Initial Sharm a fost programat pe 26 martie sa inceapa . Insa strategia de marketing a fost "extraordinara" , au venit cu preturi mai mari ca anul trecut si au vandut bilete din parti