Politica agresiva a Vaticanului in istorie
#37
Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:07
orlandosorin, on 08 noiembrie 2012 - 02:27, said:
La noi preotii indiferent de rang nu au dreptul la nimic personal in afara de obiectele stricte. Ca in comunism, prin lege. Nu aveti ce sa comparati. La noi anual Biserica raporteaza ce face cu banii din danii (si face extrem de multe, mi-ar place sa le dau lor impozitele decat statului ca chiar am la cine sa apelez la o adica (somaj - programe; meditatii gratis limbi straine; misiuni umanitare pe glob etc)). etc. Iar nu aveti ce sa comparati ca e diferenta infinita. |
#38
Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:01
mario_bril, on 08 noiembrie 2012 - 08:07, said:
Minti cu nerusinare. Am spus-o si eu de multe ori pe forum. Un preot romano-catolic, cand este hirotonit, renunta la intreaga sa avere personala (actuala cat si viitoarele mosteniri) in favoarea Bisericii iar aceasta din urma se angajeaza sa-l intretina pe tot parcursul vietii. Edited by Megs, 08 November 2012 - 12:01. |
#39
Posted 08 November 2012 - 14:57
mario_bril, on 08 noiembrie 2012 - 08:07, said:
Minti cu nerusinare. In definitiv, daca la tine crestinismul se rezuma doar la a te raporta la catolici si a zari numa` rosu in fata ochilor, poate ca este mai indicat sa faci lumina in ceea ce nu stii, nu de alta dar a te percepe ca purtator al crestinismului adevarat este prin insasi mesaj, o erezie. Asa ca atunci cand te apuca alergia la rosu, iti recomand sa-ti iei crucea si sa-l urmezi, daca esti in stare. Altfel luatul pietrei si aruncatul cu ea in baltoaca nu produce decat zoaie, nu adevar. Edited by ThinkAbout, 08 November 2012 - 14:59. |
#40
Posted 29 December 2012 - 14:29
orlandosorin, on 08 noiembrie 2012 - 02:27, said:
La noi preotii indiferent de rang nu au dreptul la nimic personal in afara de obiectele stricte ei Orlando...Orlando...nu te-ai schimbat.... "Episcopii germani isi indeamna enoriasii sa faca donatii si sa economiseasca, insa cheltuie sume mari pentru a-si construi adevarate palate. Cateva recente scandaluri de delapidare au relevat opacitatea finantelor diocezelor. Biserica din Germania detine berarii, crame si companii listate la bursa. Peste 131.000 de euro au fost gasite in locuinta unui pastor din Franconia care a fost arestat, sub acuzatia de delapidare a 1,5 milioane de euro din donatii si alte fonduri bisericesti. Si in dioceza din Magdeburg au fost sustrase peste 40 de milioane de euro iar din cea din Limburg 5 milioane de euro. Mai mult, s-a descoperit ca un inalt prelat din dioceza din Munster avea 30 de conturi bancare secrete, dezvaluie cotidianul ,,Der Spiegel". In timp ce parohiile reduc cheltuielile sociale, iar masurile de austeritate ale guvernului afecteaza someri, familii, comunitati, afaceri si armata, inaltii oficiali ai bisericii germane - de la Trier si pana in sud-estul Bavariei la Passau - se lafaie in lux..". Asta in Germania...sa trecem mai departe ?? |
#41
Posted 29 December 2012 - 16:48
abbulafia, on 29 decembrie 2012 - 14:29, said:
Asta in Germania...sa trecem mai departe ?? Spre deosebire de imamii imbecili pe care tu ii pupi toata ziua in dos, preotii catolici care au gresit sunt condamnati atat de justitie cat si de populatie. Tu insa toata ziua pupi imamii teroristi si arunci cu rahat in altii. Atat stii, atat te duce tartacuta, atat faci. |
#42
Posted 29 December 2012 - 23:18
Megs, on 29 decembrie 2012 - 16:48, said:
Bunul simt, pe care insa ai dovedit de atatea ori ca iti lipseste cu desavarsire, te-ar fi obligat sa pui si sursa atunci cand publici un citat. Spre deosebire de imamii imbecili pe care tu ii pupi toata ziua in dos, preotii catolici care au gresit sunt condamnati atat de justitie cat si de populatie. Tu insa toata ziua pupi imamii teroristi si arunci cu rahat in altii. Atat stii, atat te duce tartacuta, atat faci. 1-. Replica era pentru Orlando Sorin si se referea strict la ce a scris. 1-. Nu am nici-o treaba cu rabinii,imani sau popii catolici sau ortodacsi...toti imi fac greata Edited by abbulafia, 29 December 2012 - 23:19. |
#43
Posted 30 December 2012 - 00:40
#44
Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:30
Titlul topicului e eronat, trebuie schimbat în "politica agresiva a Bisericii Catolice", dar în fine, citire din cartea The Secret Societies of Ireland:
http://archive.org/s...0283612_djvu.txt The interdependence of "Church and State " was much more than a mere phrase in those times a hundred and fifty years ago. The aggressive policy of the Roman Catholic Church and its natural orientation with the common enemies of England — Spain, France and the Stuarts, was a living thing in memory. In Ireland, to the Protestant settlers and the governing classes of the Protestant ascendancy, "Church and State" was the vital backbone to which they clung, and it was early recognised that the subversive doctrines of Jacobinism threatened both just as much as did the agitation for religious and racial freedom among the Cathohc Irish. The Orange Society was, therefore, not so much a national growth out of the Peep-o'-Day Boys as a carefully inspired movement probably originating in the councils of English Freemasonry, and designed from the beginning as a counterpoise, not only to ultra-montanism and Catholic sedition in Ireland, but to Jacobinism as well. Mai multe articole, mâine... |
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:32
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:41
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#47
Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:08
SophistiKat, on 30 decembrie 2012 - 01:30, said:
dar în fine, citire din cartea The Secret Societies of Ireland: Dar se la Sofica nu ne puteam astepta la altceva, sa-i ceri oarece cultura este prea mult pentru ea. Singurul ei scop este sa jigneasca mai rau ca la usa cortului si sa arunce cu rahat. abbulafia, on 29 decembrie 2012 - 23:18, said:
1-. Replica era pentru Orlando Sorin si se referea strict la ce a scris. 1-. Nu am nici-o treaba cu rabinii,imani sau popii catolici sau ortodacsi...toti imi fac greata 1.Si daca replica era pentru Orlando asta inseamna ca nu trebuie sa publici sursa informatiei? 2. Mai lasa minciuna ca deja ai nasul de 1 metru. 3. Constat ca nu stii sa numeri nici macar pana la 2. Edited by Megs, 30 December 2012 - 10:32. |
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:31
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:08
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:23
#51
Posted 30 December 2012 - 13:57
Dupa cum am promis, revin cu linkuri:
http://www.reformati.../chapter18.html History of Catholic Aggressiveness in Japan In the history of Japan we have an even more striking instance of Vatican aggressiveness with profound repercussions in the world. As in China and Siam, the basic policy was to see that Catholic merchants and Catholic priests worked together so that both, by extending their own interests, should ultimately extend those of the Catholic Church. In addition to this internal strife, the political ambition of the imperialistic Catholic nations began to present itself in ways that the tolerant Japanese rulers could no longer ignore. The Vatican, on hearing of the phenomenal success of Catholicism in the distant empire, set in motion its plan for political domination. As its custom was, it would use the ecclesiastical administration of the Church, together with the military power of allied Catholic countries. These were eager to bring the cross, the Pope's sovereignty, profitable commercial treaties and military conquest all in the same galleons. The Vatican had followed this type of political penetration ever since the discovery of the Americas. Numerous Popes, including Leo X, had blessed, encouraged, and indeed legalized all the conquests and territorial occupation by Catholic Spain and Portugal in the Far East. Chief among them was Alexander V1, with his grant to Spain of all "firm land and islands found or to be found towards India, or towards any other part whatsoever." Foarte interesanta lectura! Edited by SophistiKat, 30 December 2012 - 13:58. |
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#52
Posted 30 December 2012 - 14:27
SophistiKat, on 30 decembrie 2012 - 13:57, said:
Dupa cum am promis, revin cu linkuri: History of Catholic Aggressiveness in Japan Foarte interesanta lectura! Ca bonus iti trimit niste japonezi fericiti, turisti la Vatican. Ca sa vezi mai Sophie, ce chestie, sa treci de la militantism la pacifism Dintre toate oranduirile, doar crestinismului prin structura numita biserica, i-a reusit intreprinderea. Megs, on 30 decembrie 2012 - 10:08, said:
3. Constat ca nu stii sa numeri nici macar pana la 2. Mai sus de nivelul asta nu s-a ridicat niciodata Tocmai de asta s-a transformat in pupatoare de funduri. Edited by ThinkAbout, 30 December 2012 - 14:29. |
#53
Posted 30 December 2012 - 15:22
#54
Posted 30 December 2012 - 15:40
ThinkAbout, on 30 decembrie 2012 - 14:27, said:
Dintre toate oranduirile, doar crestinismului prin structura numita biserica, i-a reusit intreprinderea. Continuam cu link-urile: http://www.guardian....men-grave-crime Vatican makes attempted ordination of women a grave crime Revised Catholic rules put female ordination in same category of crime under church law as clerical sex abuse of minors Catholic Church trafficking children from Liverpool to Australia [ https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ufvuSBW5slc?feature=oembed - Pentru incarcare in pagina (embed) Click aici ] https://docs.google....cWc&output=html SHOCKING STATISTICS OF THE MONEY GIVEN TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BY THE ITALIAN GOVERNMENT Edited by SophistiKat, 30 December 2012 - 15:47. |
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