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Cine a auzit pana acum de NESARA sa ridice mana sus :)

Cine stie si cu ce se mananca si ce implica aceste reforme e invitat sa explice si altora.

De comunism ne-am lamurit, iar capitalismul isi traieste ultimele zile.

Exista si o alta varianta ?

Deocamdata vin cu linkuri si citate pentru cei curiosi :)

http://nesara.org/ar...real_nesara.htm

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NESARA is an acronym for the proposed National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act, a set of economic reforms promulgated during the 1990s by Dr. Harvey Barnard. Barnard claimed that the proposals, which included replacing the income tax with a national sales tax (see also FairTax), abolishing compound interest on secured loans, and returning to a bimetallic currency, would result in 0% inflation and a more stable economy.

Dr. Harvey Barnard started his search for a root cause and the solutions to America’s social problems in the late 1960s when a professor at Louisiana State University casually remarked during a lecture that social and economic problems could be analyzed and solved with the same tools and techniques used to solve industrial problems. That single comment launched a lifetime pursuit of intellectual curiosity that later became a crusade, driven by nothing more than the challenge of doing the seemingly impossible.

After many years of personal study, Dr. Barnard developed a new theory of money. His NESARA legislative proposal began as a formal idea in the late 1980s. The current NESARA proposal saw first light in the early 1990s as a proposal for monetary policy reform. Later Dr. Barnard added his proposals for fiscal policy reform.

In 1996 Dr. Barnard self-published his first version of Draining the Swamp, which contained the first public copy of his full NESARA proposal. He circulated copies to members of Congress and other influential political actors. After numerous personal attempts to introduce NESARA to Congress, including attempts to encourage presidential candidates to use NESARA as part of a political reform platform, Dr. Barnard decided that the best hope for meaningful reform was through a grass roots effort. In 1999, with the world wide web beginning to impact modern social structures, he decided to place his NESARA proposal into the public domain and went live with his web site in the summer of 2000. He founded the NESARA Institute in 2001.

Shortly after introducing NESARA to the world wide web, certain people latched onto the NESARA idea and began promoting a different version of this story.


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View Postflaviand, on Feb 22 2009, 22:26, said:

De comunism ne-am lamurit, iar capitalismul isi traieste ultimele zile.
Cum asa?

Cat despre nesara asta:

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Some NESARA detractors claim that NESARA is a cult designed primarily to provide an income to Goodwin and others. They point to the fact that Goodwin, Lee, and Nidle frequently ask their readers to donate money. Goodwin, who also asks readers to donate their frequent flyer miles, claims that she needs and has used the funds to travel to various locations around the world to secretly meet with high-level government officials about getting NESARA announced.
:lol:
The prominence of failed prophecy also lends support to the cult theory. NESARA supporters often tell their readers that the NESARA announcement is going to happen in a matter of days. These claims have been made too many times to enumerate, without ever coming to fruition. According to the documentary Waiting For NESARA, the claim was also made prior to March 2003 that George Bush was planning the war with Iraq only to further delay the NESARA announcement. It was prophesied that spiritual beings and UFOs would intervene with Bush's plans and prevent the war.
:lol:
A June 2006 complaint to the Washington consumer protection division accused Goodwin of using the NESARA story to defraud a 64-year-old San Francisco woman of at least $10,000. The woman's daughter said the actual amount is much larger, in the hundreds of thousands.

The documentary film Waiting For NESARA studies a NESARA group in Salt Lake City, Utah, whose members are excommunicated Mormons and hold weekly meetings in a local Kentucky Fried Chicken to discuss NESARA.
:lol:

Edited by don_dannielo, 22 February 2009 - 22:39.


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Nu mai crede chiar toate manipularile care le gasesti pe net :)

Ai incercat sa vezi PREVEDERILE pe care le implica acel act ?

Ai gasit ceva in repectivele masuri care crezi ca este gresit ?

http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html

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NESARA initiates PEACE IMMEDIATELY and
1.  Restores Constitutional Law in America as of NESARA’s public announcement.
2.  Removes US administration officials and all members of the US Congress from their positions due to their continuous unconstitutional actions.  Bush, Cheney, Cabinet members, and all members of Congress are immediately removed from office by NESARA’s public announcement; specific law enforcement personnel shall physically remove Bush government officials from their offices. These removals allow a fresh start at the national level.  Using the Constitutional Line of Succession, NESARA installs Constitutionally acceptable NESARA President and Vice President Designates until new federal elections can take place within six months after NESARA’s announcement.
3.  Because NESARA abolishes unconstitutional states of emergency, NESARA’s public announcement declares “peace”.  US military in Iraq and Afghanistan are immediately recalled to the USA.
4.  As partial remedy for 90 years of government and banking fraud, NESARA requires zeroing out of credit card balances and bank debt relief be given to Americans.
5.  Initiates the US Treasury Bank System with new U.S. Treasury currency backed by gold. The Federal Reserve is abolished; Federal Reserve facilities and most personnel are absorbed into the US Treasury Bank System.
6.  Abolishes Income Taxes in US and creates a national sales tax on new, non-essential items as revenue for government.  Essential items such as food and medicine, and used items, are exempt from the sales tax.


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View Postflaviand, on Feb 22 2009, 22:46, said:

Ai incercat sa vezi PREVEDERILE pe care le implica acel act ?

Ai gasit ceva in repectivele masuri care crezi ca este gresit ?
Pai tocmai faptul ca are niste PREVEDERI este gresit.

Care acum ca le-ai si enumerat, rad in hohote ce prapastii sunt acolo.
Unele nu sunt aplicabile oricat s-ar chinui nesara asta. Ia explica-mi si mie cum il dai afara pe Bush din administratie (pct.2) Sau cum taxezi doar produsele ne-esentiale (pct.6) Pai daca le maresti pretul e 1000 de ori (ca sa pastrezi venitul) nu le mai cumpara nici dracu (nefiind esentiale) rezulta zero bani la buget.

Edited by don_dannielo, 22 February 2009 - 23:03.


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Eh, unii nu inteleg multe. Dar cu timpul vor intelege :)

N-ai auzit de TVA zero la paine, oua, lapte etc. ? Sau ce nu pricepi cu taxarea la produsele de baza ?

Cat priveste rasturnarea guvernelor si reformarea economiilor, vezi cazul Islanda si Letonia pentru exemple la scara mica.

Stiu, am mai auzit placa ca US "is to big to fail". La fel se zicea si de URSS pe vremuri... :)

http://www.nesara.us...es/history.html

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The "National Economic Security And Reformation Act" - NESARA - provides major benefits to Americans including:  

    * Forgives credit card, mortgage, and other bank debt due to illegal banking and government activities
    * Abolishes income tax
    * Abolishes IRS; creates flat rate non-essential "new items only" sales tax revenue for government
    * Increases benefits to senior citizens
    * Returns Constitutional Law
    * Establishes new Presidential and Congressional elections within 120 days after NESARA's announcement
    * Monitors elections and prevents illegal election activities of special interest groups
    * Creates new US Treasury currency, "rainbow currency," backed by gold, silver, and platinum precious metals
    * Returns Constitutional Law to all our courts and legal matters.
    * Initiates new U.S. Treasury Bank System in alignment with Constitutional Law
    * Eliminates the Federal Reserve System
    * Restores financial privacy
    * Retrains all judges and attorneys in Constitutional Law
    * Ceases all aggressive, US government military actions worldwide
    * Establishes peace throughout the world
    * Initiates first phase of worldwide prosperity distribution of vast wealth which has been accumulating for many decades
    * Releases enormous sums of money for humanitarian purposes
    * Enables the release of new technologies such as alternative energy devices

Edited by flaviand, 22 February 2009 - 23:11.


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* Establishes peace throughout the world
* Initiates first phase of worldwide prosperity distribution of vast wealth which has been accumulating for many decades
* Releases enormous sums of money for humanitarian purposes

gata, subscriu si io la idee.
Ceausescu, pace!
bis


bis

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Edited by radumiki, 22 February 2009 - 23:15.


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Noroc ca nici Ron Paul nu-i atat de hai hui, incat sa dea credit unor asemenea sectanti.

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The proposals were never introduced before congress, and the only congressman known to have commented on the bill is Ron Paul, dismissively, and through a spokesman.

http://en.wikipedia..../Shaini_Goodwin

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A spokesman for the member of Congress who is likely the most critical of the Federal Reserve, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, dismissed NESARA – both the Dove of Oneness version and Barnard's proposal.

http://www.worldnetd...RTICLE_ID=43209


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Pai ti-am zis ca manipularile sunt multe... :)

Iar Ron Paul e si el om, chit ca a prezis cu brio criza si e unul din cei mai straluciti politicieni US la ora asta:

http://nesara.org/op...t_of_excess.htm

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Conservative to the Point of Excess?


You might suspect that Ron Paul, being a man of the people, would be a staunch supporter of NESARA. But in talking to Jeffrey E. Deist (jeff.deist@mail.house.gov), Legislative/Communications Specialist for Ron Paul’s congressional office, one learns that NESARA is considered to be “unconstitutional” and “anti-libertarian.” According to Mr. Deist, the Congressman simply could not support legislation that would change existing banking contracts, in effect, eliminating the banker’s government aid program.

Let me translate that for you: In 1913 Congress abdicated its monetary responsibility, transferring ownership of the nation’s monetary system, which rightly belongs to the American people, to private bankers. These private bankers proceeded to make exorbitant profits upon the labor of the American people using their government granted license to monetize debt.

In other words, the private bankers, operating under rules approved by Congress, steal their profits “fair and square.” And it would be “anti-libertarian” and ”unconstitutional” for Congress to return the purloined property to its rightful owners, even if, as provided in NESARA, the private bankers receive retroactive windfall profits for correcting this grievous error.

Ron Paul is concerned about banking contracts, but that issue is addressed in our web site FAQs. In short, there is no “contract” issue. Furthermore, considering Paul’s recent sensible address to Congress, we are bewildered that Paul can recognize the problems associated with monetary policy yet rule that NESARA is “anti-libertarian” and ”unconstitutional.”

Considering that Ron Paul was probably the best chance of getting NESARA introduced to Congress, it becomes painfully obvious that we are in desperate need of a new Congress. We need populist candidates, rugged individuals who will work for the people instead of themselves or large special interest groups.

Fortunately, every two years we have the opportunity to elect a new Congress. I suggest that you introduce NESARA to someone in your district that will use this information to challenge the incumbent.


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NESARA e la fel ca Flavilandul . O fantezie .

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Tot cu flaviLAND-ul o tii ? Ti-am mai zis: my name is D, Flavian D.   :D

NESARA era o chestie vazuta foarte serios pana acum vreo 4 ani.

Intre timp manipularile au distorsionat mult intentia originala a programului.

Dar ideile de baza pot pune pe ganduri cautatorii de scenarii pentru viitorul sistem economic :)

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uitati pacea care o sa fie -> cititi de la versetul 10 pana la 15

si aici -> primele 3 versete sunt importante

Edited by Utanu, 24 February 2009 - 23:08.


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Frate, ai gresit aria.

Si biblia...

Ia de aici ceva mai bun daca esti pasionat de spiritualitate: http://forum.softped...p;#entry6000059

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Eu ti-am aratat doar ca despre ce vorbesti tu este scris si in Biblie. Oare nu trebuie sa ne puna asta pe ganduri... ? Plus ca acolo in "Biblia...." aia pe care o consideri tu sunt scrise atat de multe lucruri intelepte incat daca le-ai sti nu ai mai considera-o asa.

Edited by Utanu, 26 February 2009 - 12:01.


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Stiu ca in tot noianul de manipulari se gasesc si lucruri utile. Dar saraca biblie nu mai e ce trebuia sa fie din pacate... :(

Din cauza asta ti-am recomandat o varianta mai aproape de adevar ;)

Dar hai sa nu deviem, aici discutam de NESARA ca alternativa la sistemul economic.

Daca vrei sa continuam despre alternativele spirituale, putem continua pe linkul care l-am dat mai sus: http://forum.softped...p;#entry6000059

Edited by flaviand, 26 February 2009 - 12:34.


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Un filmulet excelent despre "stergerea" sau mai bine zis reevaluarea datoriilor daca modelul prezentat de NESARA vi se pare prea radical:

Six Minutes with the Renegade Economist - Michael Hudson Special

Cea mai simpatica e faza din final cu economistii care au luat premiul Nobel pentru un sistem falimentar :)

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Si inca un articol excelent pe tema banilor de hartie vs aurul. Ca si rolul FED in criza din 1930 si cea de acum in care se repeta multe din greselile facute si atunci:

Gold and Economic Freedom

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A free banking system based on gold is able to extend credit and thus to create bank notes (currency) and deposits, according to the production requirements of the economy. Individual owners of gold are induced, by payments of interest, to deposit their gold in a bank (against which they can draw checks). But since it is rarely the case that all depositors want to withdraw all their gold at the same time, the banker need keep only a fraction of his total deposits in gold as reserves. This enables the banker to loan out more than the amount of his gold deposits (which means that he holds claims to gold rather than gold as security of his deposits). But the amount of loans which he can afford to make is not arbitrary: he has to gauge it in relation to his reserves and to the status of his investments.

A fully free banking system and fully consistent gold standard have not as yet been achieved. But prior to World War I, the banking system in the United States (and in most of the world) was based on gold and even though governments intervened occasionally, banking was more free than controlled. Periodically, as a result of overly rapid credit expansion, banks became loaned up to the limit of their gold reserves, interest rates rose sharply, new credit was cut off, and the economy went into a sharp, but short-lived recession. (Compared with the depressions of 1920 and 1932, the pre-World War I business declines were mild indeed.) It was limited gold reserves that stopped the unbalanced expansions of business activity, before they could develop into the post-World Was I type of disaster. The readjustment periods were short and the economies quickly reestablished a sound basis to resume expansion.

But the process of cure was misdiagnosed as the disease: if shortage of bank reserves was causing a business decline-argued economic interventionists-why not find a way of supplying increased reserves to the banks so they never need be short! If banks can continue to loan money indefinitely-it was claimed-there need never be any slumps in business. And so the Federal Reserve System was organized in 1913. It consisted of twelve regional Federal Reserve banks nominally owned by private bankers, but in fact government sponsored, controlled, and supported. Credit extended by these banks is in practice (though not legally) backed by the taxing power of the federal government. Technically, we remained on the gold standard; individuals were still free to own gold, and gold continued to be used as bank reserves. But now, in addition to gold, credit extended by the Federal Reserve banks ("paper reserves") could serve as legal tender to pay depositors.

When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve's attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain's gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates. The "Fed" succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930's.

With a logic reminiscent of a generation earlier, statists argued that the gold standard was largely to blame for the credit debacle which led to the Great Depression. If the gold standard had not existed, they argued, Britain's abandonment of gold payments in 1931 would not have caused the failure of banks all over the world. (The irony was that since 1913, we had been, not on a gold standard, but on what may be termed "a mixed gold standard"; yet it is gold that took the blame.) But the opposition to the gold standard in any form-from a growing number of welfare-state advocates-was prompted by a much subtler insight: the realization that the gold standard is incompatible with chronic deficit spending (the hallmark of the welfare state). Stripped of its academic jargon, the welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which governments confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a wide variety of welfare schemes. A substantial part of the confiscation is effected by taxation. But the welfare statists were quick to recognize that if they wished to retain political power, the amount of taxation had to be limited and they had to resort to programs of massive deficit spending, i.e., they had to borrow money, by issuing government bonds, to finance welfare expenditures on a large scale.


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Ce tare e asta cu NESARA...  :lol:

Ma gandesc baietii aia nu au altceva mai bun pe lumea asta de facut decat porcaria asta. Oricum nu este aplicabila vreo data in viata asta.

Politica nu exista oriunde pe planeta.

Dar si fondatorii acestui program sunt extrem de prosti, habar nu au pe ce lume traiesc, degeaba traiesc in USA. Ei chiar au impresia ca Bush, Rice si Oblama conduc America. :lol: Aceste personaje sunt puse la conducerea tarii de baietii din spatele cortinei, pentru a putea lucra la afacerile lor mizerabile. De asta a fost inventat politicul. Iar aceste personaje nu au nici un fel de putere, habar nu au cum se conduce o tara. Ele sunt doar niste marionete.

Presupunem prin absurd ca ajung fondatorii NESARA la conducerea tarii. Ce vor face dupa ce ajung la conducere tarii ? Vor aplica legi in favoarea cetateanului ? :lol: Daca nu respecta regulile impuse de maharii tarii vor fi impuscati, precum Kennedy.

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stimabililor...nesara numai fenomen economic nu e, si vad ca mai mult cu politica interfereaza :)
il mut in poiana sau il inchid ? alegeti din cele doua variante

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