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Probleme Asus WL-500gP & HDD
Last Updated: Oct 15 2009 23:19, Started by
wfnse
, Apr 29 2008 10:40
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#1
Posted 29 April 2008 - 10:40

De vreo saptamana mi-am cumparat un Asus WL-500gP V2. Posibilitatea de a pune un HDD extern era foarte interesanta asa ca am cumparat si un HDD WD Essential 320GB (formatat astfel: 1x 512MB Swap, 1x 1GB pentru pachetele IPKG si 1x EXT3 de vreo 280GB). Toate bune si frumoase pana am inceput sa transfer de prin laptop pe HDD-ul extern via WL-500gP. Dupa 500MB routerul se reseteaza, HDD-ul se opreste si pica reteaua. Am reusit si performanta de a urca 5,3GB insa cand am vrut sa rulez filmul, a functionat vreo 10 minute dupa care s-a restartat singur.
- am schimbat firmware-ul cu cel de la Oleg (varianta 10 care suporta V2); - am instalat Transmission pentru torrent (face figuri si cu asta dupa ce transfera jumatate din torrent) - am incercat si cu firmware-ul beta de la ASUS (nici cu asta nu s-a rezolvat). In rest, ca router wireless, merge excelent in sensul ca nu se restarteaza si viteaza este foarte buna pe wireless. Din pacate suportul pentru USB si implicit pentru HDD_urile externe este foarte slab. Exista vreo solutie ? @Serpent am vazut ca ai cunostinte despre manifestarile ciudate ale acestui router. De asemenea multi alti utilizatori din strainatate au anuntat ca au probleme similare cu transferul prin USB. Lansarea Kernel 2.6 pentru chipsetul Broadcom o sa rezolve ceva ? Many thx ! |
#2
Posted 29 April 2008 - 12:19

AI posibilitatea de a alimenta hdd-ul dintr-o sursa externa?
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#3
Posted 29 April 2008 - 12:47

Eu am Asus WL-500gP (nu V2) si folosesc ca HD extern, un HD IDE de 20Gb formatat ext3, intr-un rack extern IDE/usb. Pana acum nu am avut problemele semnalate de tine, nu am avut niciodata bolcaje sau resetari, singura problema ar fi viteza realtiv mica (~3MB/s) dar asta e normal.
Firmware-ul folosit e openwrt v0.9 whiterussian, cu kernel versiune 2.4. Mai am pe USB un flash de 1G, pe care am programe, dar nu am avut probleme nici cu ala. |
#4
Posted 29 April 2008 - 15:21

Eu am Asus WL-500gP (nu V2) si folosesc ca HD extern, un HD IDE de 20Gb formatat ext3, intr-un rack extern IDE/usb. Pana acum nu am avut problemele semnalate de tine, nu am avut niciodata bolcaje sau resetari, singura problema ar fi viteza realtiv mica (~3MB/s) dar asta e normal. Firmware-ul folosit e openwrt v0.9 whiterussian, cu kernel versiune 2.4. Mai am pe USB un flash de 1G, pe care am programe, dar nu am avut probleme nici cu ala. Edited by livache2008, 29 April 2008 - 15:26. |
#5
Posted 29 April 2008 - 15:54

10x pt. incredere :D , dar n-am avut inca ocazia sa ma joc pe un V2. Pe V1 chiar nu am avut vreodata probleme cu transferul pe USB. Si am transferat TB!
Daca discul tau este WDME3200, atunci Cielo ti-a sugerat deja o posibila cauza a problemei. Daca este WDH1U3200, nu stiu ce sa-ti zic... |
#6
Posted 29 April 2008 - 16:32

Astea sunt de la tine?
Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554433 Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554434 Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554435 Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554436 |
#7
Posted 29 April 2008 - 20:50

Astea sunt de la tine? Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554433 Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554434 Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554435 Jan 1 02:31:01 kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,3)): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - block = 33554436 HDD-ul este WD MyBook Essential 320GB si are alimentare proprie. Este excelent, insa nu stiu ce se intampla. Am reusit ultima oara sa pun pe el un film in format HD de vreo 5,5GB. Prima reactie a fost sa zic cu stragere de inima "yess". Parca simteam ca este prima si ultima oara cand voi urca ceva mai mare de 1GB. Si cam asa a fost ^_^ Daca il conectez direct in laptop, nu am nicio problema. Este chiar foarte fain :D Nu exista foarte mari diferente intre V1 si V2. Din pacate, a incetat productia modelului V1. Mai am un HDD extern, insa se comporta la fel. Este vorba de un HDD Fujitsu de 40GB. Chiar nu inteleg ce poate sa fie. Pentru varianta in lb engleza ( :lol: ) va rog sa ma admirati aici: > http://wl500g.info/s...ead.php?t=14076 > http://wl500g.info/s...ead.php?t=14182 Edited by wfnse, 29 April 2008 - 20:51. |
#8
Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:31

Atunci s-o luam metodic:
1. Cu ce ai partitionat si formatat discul? 2. Ai rulat un e2fsck dupa formatare? 3. Demonteaza discul si da-i asa: e2fsck -fv /dev/discs/disc0/partX (unde X e 2 si 3, daca ai swap-ul pe 1). Posteaza rezultatul. 4. Ce OS ai pe laptop? |
#9
Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:41

Eu am pus pe WL 500gp (v1) firmware modificat pt CDMA (are la baza pe cea de la OLEG).
Am HDD extern WD de 250 Gb EXT3 Accesul se face din acest firmware doar pe protocol FTP. Merge foarte bine ! Azi imi vine si WL 500W (cu 3 antene) pt ca nu am destul semnal in casa, la etaj. Sper sa faca fata... |
#10
Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:25

Atunci s-o luam metodic: 1. Cu ce ai partitionat si formatat discul? 2. Ai rulat un e2fsck dupa formatare? 3. Demonteaza discul si da-i asa: e2fsck -fv /dev/discs/disc0/partX (unde X e 2 si 3, daca ai swap-ul pe 1). Posteaza rezultatul. 4. Ce OS ai pe laptop? 2. Niciodata nu am rulat e2fsck dupa formatare, insa aseara am reformatat si i-am dat e2fsck (conform recomandarilor). Nu a gasit probleme. 3. (nu are legatura cu punctul 2 ?) Urmeaza sa fac si asta dupa care o sa postez rezultatul. 4. Windows XP Pro SP2 pe un HP nx6110
Azi imi vine si WL 500W (cu 3 antene) pt ca nu am destul semnal in casa, la etaj. Sper sa faca fata... |
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#11
Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:32

Quote offtopic: puteai sa cumperi o antena cu o putere mai mare (ex. D-Link 6db). Link plz... |
#12
Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:49

Link plz... Este chiar mai buna decat antena D-Link, chiar daca se specifica ca este de 5db. Tot la un pret convenabil poti lua o antena Zyxel de la Intend: http://www.intend.ro...roducts_id=3797 O sa vezi cat de mult poate sa insemne 2-3 db in plus la o antena.
Azi imi vine si WL 500W (cu 3 antene) pt ca nu am destul semnal in casa, la etaj. Sper sa faca fata... |
#13
Posted 30 April 2008 - 12:00

Si eu am probleme cu el , chiar am reusit sa stric routerul, deoarere sa intrerupt conexiunea tocmai cand faceam update de firmware si ledul care arata ca este aprins palpaie , asta e , http://forum.softped...howtopic=384139, dar asta e................. oricum mai sunt si alte variante de dowloaduri , de exemplu: http://www.digitalwo...r...&idcat=1224 care nu necesita router cu porturi usb , are firmware, producatorhttp://www.adstech.c.....RIVE KIT,/url] ca are doar conexiune prin rj45, dar suporta bit torent, asa ca la cat am dar pe router, cumparam unul din acesta... |
#14
Posted 30 April 2008 - 12:03

Si eu am resetat routerul cand isi facea update si ramanea cu palpaitul :) Am vrut sa il trimit inapoi la garantie dar l-am rezolvat cu softului de pe cd. Incearca si banuiesc ca tie o sa iti mearga. Daca e in stare routerul sa iti dea un IP catre calculator il poti rezolva cu softul ala. Daca nu iti da incearca pe ip-uri manuale desi nu cred ca o sa mearga asa. Iti dau meajul asta si pe privat in caz ca nu citesti topicul asta. |
#15
Posted 30 April 2008 - 14:56

1. Telnet Asus > Fdisk (partitionare) > mke2fs -j /dev/discs/disc0/part2 (respectiv part3; pentru formatare 2. Niciodata nu am rulat e2fsck dupa formatare, insa aseara am reformatat si i-am dat e2fsck (conform recomandarilor). Nu a gasit probleme. 3. (nu are legatura cu punctul 2 ?) Urmeaza sa fac si asta dupa care o sa postez rezultatul. 4. Windows XP Pro SP2 pe un HP nx6110 1. Ok 2. Asta e bine 3. Ba da. Dar -v il face mai "vorbaret" 4. Si ai ext2 IFS instalat? Sau nu l-ai incercat cu ext3 pe laptop? |
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#16
Posted 01 May 2008 - 10:28

1. Ok 2. Asta e bine 3. Ba da. Dar -v il face mai "vorbaret" 4. Si ai ext2 IFS instalat? Sau nu l-ai incercat cu ext3 pe laptop? 4. Am instalat programul respectiv si functioneaza ok daca conectez HDD-ul direct la laptop. NEWS: 1. Am incercat sa accesez hdd-ul prin FTP si sa dezactivez samba. Din pacate se intampla acelasi lucru. Dupa o perioada, in care transfer un volum mare de date pe HDD, router-ul se restarteaza singur. Iata log-ul generat dupa un "auto-restart": Jan 1 00:00:03 syslogd started: BusyBox v1.1.3 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: PCI: Fixing up bus 0 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Initializing RT netlink socket Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Starting kswapd Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Journalled Block Device driver loaded Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: devfs: v1.12c (20020818) Richard Gooch ([email protected]) Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: devfs: boot_options: 0x1 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: NTFS driver v1.1.22 [Flags: R/O] Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI enabled Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ttyS00 at 0xb8000300 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ttyS01 at 0xb8000400 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: HDLC line discipline: version $Revision$, maxframe=4096 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: N_HDLC line discipline registered. Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: loop: loaded (max 8 devices) Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: MPPE/MPPC encryption/compression module registered Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: PPPoL2TP kernel driver, V0.13 ([email protected]) Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Amd/Fujitsu Extended Query Table v1.1 at 0x0040 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Flash Id: Vendor: 0x00c2 Device: 0x00cb Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: number of CFI chips: 1 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Flash device: 0x800000 at 0x1c000000 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Physically mapped flash: squashfs filesystem found at block 784 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Creating 5 MTD partitions on "Physically mapped flash": Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: 0x00000000-0x00020000 : "boot" Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: 0x00020000-0x007f0000 : "linux" Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: 0x000c4000-0x007f0000 : "rootfs" Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: 0x007f0000-0x00800000 : "nvram" Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: 0x003c0000-0x007f0000 : "flashfs" Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: sflash: found no supported devices Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: TCP: Hash tables configured (established 2048 bind 4096) Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ip_conntrack version 2.1 (256 buckets, 2048 max) - 352 bytes per conntrack Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ip_conntrack_pptp version 1.9 loaded Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ip_nat_pptp version 1.5 loaded Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ipt_time loading Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: IPv6 v0.8 for NET4.0 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: NET4: Ethernet Bridge 008 for NET4.0 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: 802.1Q VLAN Support v1.7 Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: All bugs added by David S. Miller <[email protected]> Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: FAT: bogus logical sector size 41216 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: FAT: bogus logical sector size 41216 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: NTFS: Unable to set blocksize 512. Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: VFS: Mounted root (squashfs filesystem) readonly. Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Mounted devfs on /dev Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Freeing unused kernel memory: 72k freed Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: Algorithmics/MIPS FPU Emulator v1.5 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: eth0: Broadcom BCM47xx 10/100 Mbps Ethernet Controller 4.150.10.16 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: eth1: Broadcom BCM4318 802.11 Wireless Controller 4.150.10.16 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: device vlan0 entered promiscuous mode Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: device eth1 entered promiscuous mode Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: port 2(eth1) entering listening state Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: port 1(vlan0) entering listening state Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: port 2(eth1) entering learning state Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: port 1(vlan0) entering learning state Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: port 2(eth1) entering forwarding state Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: topology change detected, propagating Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: port 1(vlan0) entering forwarding state Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: br0: topology change detected, propagating Jan 1 00:00:04 dnsmasq[73]: started, version 2.22 cachesize 150 Jan 1 00:00:04 dnsmasq[73]: DHCP, IP range 192.168.1.2 -- 192.168.1.254, lease time 24h Jan 1 00:00:04 dnsmasq[73]: DHCP, /tmp/dnsmasq.log will be written every 8h Jan 1 00:00:04 dnsmasq[73]: read /etc/hosts - 5 addresses Jan 1 00:00:04 dnsmasq[73]: reading /tmp/resolv.conf Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xb8003000, IRQ 6 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: usb-ohci.c: usb-00:03.0, PCI device 14e4:471a Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: hub.c: USB hub found Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ehci_hcd 00:03.1: PCI device 14e4:471a Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ehci_hcd 00:03.1: irq 6, pci mem b8003800 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ehci_hcd 00:03.1: illegal capability! Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ECHI PCI device 471a14e4 found. Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: PCI: 00:03.1 PCI cache line size set incorrectly (0 bytes) by BIOS/FW, correcting to 32 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: ehci_hcd 00:03.1: USB 0.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2003-Dec-29/2.4 Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: hub.c: USB hub found Jan 1 00:00:04 kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usblp Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: printer.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: vlan1: Setting MAC address to 00 1e 8c ec 3d 7f. Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: VLAN (vlan1): Underlying device (eth0) has same MAC, not checking promiscious mode. Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:03.1-1, assigned address 2 Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: hub.c: USB hub found Jan 1 00:00:05 kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected Jan 1 00:00:06 udhcpc[90]: udhcpc (v0.9.9-pre) started Jan 1 00:00:06 kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:03.1-1.2, assigned address 3 Jan 1 00:00:06 dnsmasq[73]: read /etc/hosts - 5 addresses Jan 1 00:00:06 dnsmasq[73]: reading /tmp/resolv.conf Jan 1 00:00:06 dhcp client: deconfig: lease is lost Jan 1 00:00:06 kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Jan 1 00:00:06 udhcpc[90]: Lease of 92.84.11.229 obtained, lease time 86400 Jan 1 00:00:06 dnsmasq[73]: read /etc/hosts - 5 addresses Jan 1 00:00:06 dnsmasq[73]: reading /tmp/resolv.conf Jan 1 00:00:06 dnsmasq[73]: using nameserver 193.231.100.134#53 Jan 1 00:00:06 dnsmasq[73]: using nameserver 193.231.100.130#53 Jan 1 00:00:06 dnsmasq[73]: using nameserver 192.168.1.254#53 Jan 1 00:00:06 kernel: Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MHT2040AH PL Rev: 006C Jan 1 00:00:06 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Jan 1 00:00:07 kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Jan 1 00:00:07 kernel: SCSI device sda: 78140160 512-byte hdwr sectors (40008 MB) Jan 1 00:00:07 kernel: Partition check: Jan 1 00:00:07 kernel: p1 p2 p3 Jan 1 00:00:07 dhcp client: bound IP : 92.84.11.229 from 92.84.0.254 Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on sd(8,2), internal journal Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: EXT3-fs: recovery complete. Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Jan 1 00:00:16 USB storage: ext3 fs at /dev/discs/disc0/part2 mounted to /tmp/mnt/disc0_2 Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on sd(8,3), internal journal Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: EXT3-fs: recovery complete. Jan 1 00:00:16 kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Jan 1 00:00:16 USB storage: ext3 fs at /dev/discs/disc0/part3 mounted to /tmp/mnt/disc0_3 Sa fie o problema hardware ? Din pacate, se pare ca exista si alti utilizatori care au intampinat astfel de probleme (inclusiv la V1). In acelasi timp, exista utilizatori care spun ca router-ul lor merge foarte bine. Si atunci unde e problema ? :huh: Sa fie o problema cu driverele USB 2.0 ? Este posibil sa trecem pe USB 1.1 ? Sa fie o problema la Kernel ? Versiunea 2.6 inca nu suporta modulul wireless din chipsetul Broadcom. Clar nu are legatura cu Samba pentru ca am testat routerul cu Samba dezactivat. @Serpent ? :D Ce zici ? Iata cateva link-uri cu aceasta problema: 1) http://wl500g.info/s...ead.php?t=14210 2) http://forum.openwrt...hp?id=11189&p=1 3) http://wl500g.info/s...ead.php?p=45456 4) https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/3263 Multumesc celor care vor sa ajute ! Edited by wfnse, 01 May 2008 - 10:42. |
#17
Posted 02 May 2008 - 10:58

Mesajele de boot sunt in regula si personal cred ca discul in sine nu are nicio problema.
Singurul lucru pe care ti l-as mai putea sugera pt. a te convinge ca routerul e de vina ar fi sa schimbi cablul USB cu unul mai scurt si mai bine ecranat. Daca nici asta nu ajuta la nimic atunci ai un router cu probleme la transferul pe USB!!! :whistling: Ai incercat cumva si alt FW in afara de Oleg's si Asus? |
#18
Posted 02 May 2008 - 16:03

Mesajele de boot sunt in regula si personal cred ca discul in sine nu are nicio problema. Singurul lucru pe care ti l-as mai putea sugera pt. a te convinge ca routerul e de vina ar fi sa schimbi cablul USB cu unul mai scurt si mai bine ecranat. Daca nici asta nu ajuta la nimic atunci ai un router cu probleme la transferul pe USB!!! :whistling: Ai incercat cumva si alt FW in afara de Oleg's si Asus? 2. Din pacate se pare ca nu sunt singurul cu probleme la transferul pe USB. Mai grav este ca problema aceasta exista atat la V1 cat si la V2. Acum conteaza doar ce noroc ai ^_^ 3. Am incercat o versiune mini-beta de la DD-WRT (nu avea suport pentru USB Storage :lol: ) Cred ca ASUS trebuie sa puna o atentionare pe toate pachetele WL-500gP V1/2: "Not for common users !" |
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