EXTINDEREA NATO, PUTIN ataca: e o AMENINTARE la adresa RUSIEI

 galeo, on Apr 7 2008, 17:50, said:

Statele europene nu au cum sa se apropie mai mult de rusia. Cand esti amenintat te apropii cu frica asteptand cea mai mica ocazie sa scapi. Rusia nu-si apropie statele europene decat cu amenintarea energetica. Au mai practicat sportul asta si statele arabe dar intre timp le-a cam trecut

Berlin Representing Russia

The following is an exclusive translation from the Financial Times Deutschland (the original article can be read on our German blog). See our earlier post of another story from the German press.

Berlin Turns Into Russia’s Lawyer
Foreign Minister Steinmeier Urges Consideration of Moscow in NATO Enlargement • Berlin and Washington on a Confrontation Course
By Hubert Wetzel, Nils Kreimeier, Berlin, and Fidelius Schmid, Bucharest

Russia’s adamant opposition to the admission of Georgia and Ukraine to NATO was apparently an important motive for the German government to pit itself against the U.S. government and to prevent the two countries from being declared candidates for accession at the alliance’s summit in Bucharest. The West has already “gone to the limit in its relations with Russia” by recognizing the independence of the Serbian province of Kosovo, something vehemently rejected by Moscow, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier (Social Democratic Party) told the Leipziger Volkszeitung.

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e un site de DREAPTA, foarte interesant - se ocupa de Rusia
http://www.robertamsterdam.com/

Ucrainei si Georgiei li s-a promis deja ca vor intra in NATO. Toate tarile carora li s-a promis au intrat. E o chestiune doar de timp. Dupa recunoasterea independentei Kosovo, statele europene vor mai supara Rusia. Si nu doar odata. De mai multe ori

U.S.-Russia Strategic Framework Declaration
The United States and the Russian Federation,

Recalling our Joint Statement of November 13, 2001 on a New Relationship

Between the United States and Russian and our Joint Declaration of May 24, 2002, we reaffirm that the era in which the United States and Russia considered one another an enemy or strategic threat has ended. We reject the zero-sum thinking of the Cold War when “what was good for Russia was bad for America” and vice versa. Rather, we are dedicated to working together and with other nations to address the global challenges of the 21st century, moving the U.S.-Russia relationship from one of strategic competition to strategic partnership. We intend to cooperate as partners to promote security, and to jointly counter the threats to peace we face, including international terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. We are determined to build a lasting peace, both on a bilateral basis and in international fora, recognizing our shared responsibility to the people of our countries and the global community of nations to remain steadfast and united in pursuit of international security, and a peaceful, free world. Where we have differences, we will work to resolve them in a spirit of mutual respect. ... (...)

Promoting Security

We acknowledge that today's security environment is fundamentally different than during the Cold War. We must move beyond past strategic principles, which focused on the prospect of mutual annihilation, and focus on the very real dangers that confront both our nations. These include especially the threat of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery. Reflecting the changed nature of our strategic relationship, we will take steps together to counter these new and emerging challenges. ... (...)

    * Post-START:
      We have reiterated our intention to carry out strategic offensive reductions to the lowest possible level consistent with our national security requirements and alliance commitments. ... (...)    

    * Missile Defense:
       We discussed the issue of missile defense. Both sides expressed their interest in creating a system for responding to potential missile threats in which Russia and the United States and Europe will participate as equal partners.

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acum, USA si Europa pot pretinde toate REFORMELE DEMOCRATICE de care RUSIA are nevoie si, la fel trebuie sa faca cu ROMANIA, POLONIA, etc. ... toate tarile din Est care au blocat aceste riforme.

The Democratic Rollback
The Resurgence of the Predatory State
Larry Diamond
From Foreign Affairs , March/April 2008

Summary: After decades of historic gains, the world has slipped into a democratic recession. Predatory states are on the rise, threatening both nascent and established democracies throughout the world. But this trend can be reversed with the development of good governance and strict accountability and the help of conditional aid from the West.

IT’S THE GOVERNMENT, STUPID … At-risk democracies are almost universally plagued by poor governance. Some appear so trapped in patterns of corrupt and abusive rule that it is hard to see how they can survive as democracies without significant reform. The problem in these states is that bad governance is not an aberration or an illness to be cured. It is, as the economists Douglass North, John Wallis, and Barry Weingast have argued, a natural condition. For thousands of years, the natural tendency of elites everywhere has been to monopolize power rather than to restrain it — through the development of transparent laws, strong institutions, and market competition. And once they have succeeded in restricting political access, these elites use their consolidated power to limit economic competition so as to generate profits that benefit them rather than society at large. The result is a predatory state. .. (..)

(In articol sunt mentionate Rusia si Polonia intre tarile din Estul Europei, dar situatia e identica pentru toate... si, Romania face parte din grupul faimos !)

Edited by warpguy, 07 April 2008 - 18:59.

 Gentle_dragon, on Apr 7 2008, 17:41, said:

Nu ,nu vor intra. De promis se promit multe,insa europenii par cu capul pe umeri,si ma bucur ca exista un om vertical si demn de respect,Angela Merkel.
Daca pentru tine diplomatia si politica externa se rezuma doar la a supara Rusia,traiesti in lumea basmelor. Cei de la PRM au nevoie de tine.
Orice om ce vede mai departe de stereotipuri si articole de presa isi da seama ca probelemele sunt mult mai complicate,dar si mai simple. Ceea ce traim azi s-a preconizat cam de la razboiul din afganistan ,si cel de atunci si cel de acum,de esecurile URSS de atunci si cele SUA de acum. Cum imperiul cade,europa se reorienteaza

 ILoveMyBunny, on Apr 7 2008, 21:39, said:

Dream on... Imperiul a cazut mai demult... Imperiul sovietic! Nu exista un alt imperiu. In lumea occidentala exista doar aliante. Si interese comune. Interesele comune cer extinderea aliantei spre vest. Pe baza unor valori comune. Valori impartasite de Georgia si macar de vestul Ucrainei. Estul Ucrainei fie va urma vestul fie va fi inghitit de URS. Dar cred ca asemenea Iasingtonului si moldovenilor de la noi si estul Ucrainei va urma vestul

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La Summitul NATO de la Bucuresti, presedintele Rusiei a declarat ca, in cazul in care Ucraina va fi inclusa in Planul de actiune pentru aderare (MAP) al NATO, Moscova va cere oficial Kievului sa-i restituie Peninsula Crimeea si regiunile majoritar rusofone din estul Ucrainei, relateaza in editia sa de ieri cotidianul rus "Kommersant" (eu inca nu am gasit un asemenea articol, nici in engleza si nici in l. rusa )

Potrivit publicatiei citate, in timpul reuniunii la varf a Consiliului Rusia-NATO, desfasurata cu usile inchise, Putin le-a spus liderilor tarilor NATO ca "Ucraina are toate sansele sa nu mai existe ca stat in granitele actuale".

"Atunci cand a venit vorba de Ucraina, Putin parca a luat foc. Adresandu-se direct lui Bush, el a spus: "George, tu chiar nu intelegi ca Ucraina nu este stat? Ce reprezinta Ucraina? O parte a teritoriilor ei sunt ale Europei de Est, iar cealalta parte, cea mai mare, reprezinta donatia noastra catre Kiev!", relateaza Kommersant, citand o sursa din delegatia unei tari NATO care a participat la intalnirea cu Putin de la Bucuresti.

"Rusia a amenintat clar ca daca Ucraina va fi invitata in MAP, atunci ea va incepe demersurile oficiale vindicative cu privire la Crimeea si la regiunile din estul Ucrainei", a afirmat, pentru Kommersant, aceeasi sursa.

http://www.ziua.net/...8-04-07&id=5388

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Бухарест не стал вторым Мюнхеном - Nici un München la Bucuresti
di Dmitrij Kosyrev, comentator politico
RIA Novosti, Aprilie 4, 2008
in limba italiana

Russia throws a wrench in NATO's works
By M K Bhadrakumar
Asia Times, Mar 15, 2008

СПРН и НАТО: что здесь не при чем - Rusia, NATO si radarele ucraine
de Nikita Petrov, expert militar
RIA Novosti, Februarie 4, 2008
in limba italiana

L'alleanza nord-ucraina - Aleanta nord-ucraina
de Marija Krivych - 22/01/2008
in limba italiana

 warpguy, on Apr 8 2008, 14:36, said:

Hmm.. ma intreb care o fi fost ala si din ce delegatie NATO care a facut sa transpire aceasta replica de milioane. Caci presupun ca sedinta Consiliului Nato-Rusia de vineri dimineata s-a desfasurat cu usile inchise...

Am citit si eu undeva (nu gasesc acum sursa) cum ca Bush ar fi parasit la un moment dat sedinta inainte de terminarea lucrarilor... ma gandesc ca nu a facut-o pentru ca se grabea sa nu intarzie la intalnirea cu Tariceanu de la Palatul Victoria ce urma in program...

 warpguy, on Apr 8 2008, 15:36, said:

Daca spui de doua ori acelasi lucru e mai adevarat sau e mai sigur sau e balbaiala

Edited by Gentle_dragon, 08 April 2008 - 18:43.

 Gentle_dragon, on Apr 7 2008, 22:13, said:

hey dude,are you on mushrooms or something?
  Ce usurare ca diplomatii si cei din politica externa nu-s ca tine. Diplomatia e mai mult decat a enerva vreun stat pe vreun considerent etnic(asa cum dumneata esti rusofob);

 ILoveMyBunny, on Apr 8 2008, 21:04, said:

Lasa limba engleza si zi-o pe chirilice, ca ti se potriveste mai bine Eu sunt rusofob pentru simplul motiv ca tara asta a fost ocupata de rusi. Dar voi de ce sunteti americanofobi? Pentru ca rusii sa mai poata iara sa faca ce au mai facut?

 Gentle_dragon, on Apr 8 2008, 20:07, said:

Eu nu-s americanofob,chiar sunt un mare consumator de kitsch american.Tu esti rusofob,romanofob si secui simpatic,dar asta e problema ta,e loc pentru toti sub soare. Te simti bine urand o natiune?

 ILoveMyBunny, on Apr 8 2008, 20:14, said:

kitsch american? d'ala comestibil? adica popcorn, cola, (big)mac-uri?
sau te referi la kitsch politic? cu bush ca ilustru reprezentant..

 dracon, on Apr 8 2008, 22:46, said:

Lasa, nu-l mai intreba atat ca stim cu totii ce consuma...

 Gentle_dragon, on Apr 9 2008, 06:22, said:

dragoni gentili ca dumneata,dupa ce le fac felul ,ce spui 'papuse' cu solzi?

 ILoveMyBunny, on Apr 9 2008, 21:35, said:

Grija mare ... foarte mare ... ca vad (dupa poza) ca si-asa ai nivelul de damage cam mare Daca asa te-a ranit iepurasu' apai cu dragonul s-ar putea sa nu se stie

 warpguy, on Apr 8 2008, 15:36, said:

vad ca putin a jucat dur, e clar ca rusia lu' eltin nu mai e rusia de astazi. deocamdata zic mersi ca suntem in ue si in nato. Nu de alta, dar omul asta zice clar ca nu e o problema prea mare, daca incepe un razboi civil in ucraina. Oricum , avansarea spre est a nato +sua , e un proces de lunga durata. sa vedem ce va fi