Matrix Revolutions (2003)

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orice comentariu despre tine este de prisos... asa ca... lasa-ne...

"manelesux sux e un cliseu pe care l-au folosit doar idioti inaintea ta."

Tu care zici ca esti subtil, tot n-ai inteles. Ia mai incearca o data:

"Si ar trebui sa inchei cu manelesux sux, nu?
Totusi...
enjoy,"

Asa scria mai sus.
Si ca sa iti traduc: nu ma cobor la mintea ta.

enjoy,
Mtz

Am citit ce-ai "replicat" pe aici D-le manelesux si, scuza-mi incapabilitatea de a pricepe, dar:
- daca esti atat de inteligent de ce te cobori printre noi pamantenii?
- te-ai trezit vreodata din filmul in care traiesti?

P.S. ...in jurul tau exista si oameni capabili, problema este ca tu nu-i vei vedea ushor din cauza egoului propriu...

blueghost? cum au fost terminate repede? catzi ani au trecut intre M1 si M2? Si ce inseamna ca se termina repede? Bergman termina un film intr-o saptamana. La Star Trek s-a lucrat ani. Care e mai bun?

vladcule, io te las. tu ma lashi?

Matzu care nu ajunge la struguri zice ca nu se coboara la ei?

manelesux? Ce e cu tine? Faci Cluju de rusine    

De unde vii? Din capatu Manasturului? Sau esti din aia veseli din Someseni?

Iao mai usor...totusi...aici se discuta....

:cya:

@manelesux
gusturile nu se (prea) discuta.

@driverx
bunul simt nu are nici o legatura cu locatia individului.
da aici unii mai si discuta.

BAN!

A exprimat omu o parere.. A fost contracarat... in mod ortodox... Da a inceput sa abereze......

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manelesux, in nici un caz nu o sa fii tu ala care-mi arata de unde trebuie sa beau apa. Inainte de a jigni pe cineva ar trebui sa arati ca stii si sa respecti. La tine chestia asta lipseste cu desavarsire, vocabularul tau arata clar de tot categoria sociala in care te incadrezi, si din pacate - pentru tine - la modul in care evoluezi nu cred ca vei reusi vreodata sa te dezlipesti de ea.
Pe urma, aici este un loc in care am venit sa ne simitim bine si sa ne distram, si ca sa dovedesc asta mi-am ales acel avatar. Daca tu nu intelegi asta si crezi ca trebuie sa vii aici ca sa tii cuvantari altora despre ce si cum ar trebui sa gandeasca, cu siguranta ca ne confunzi cu aurolacii din diferite gari si parcuri.
Howgh!

blueghost

Ba sa stii ca de multe ori conteaza. Nu zic ca tre sa fii din familie "buna" ca sa ai bun simt si maniere. Dar.....
Si aici in CJ sunt zone fierbinti dinastea..... Daca ai face sondaj intre clujeni...cred ca peste 50 % ar vrea ca cartieru Manastur sa fie oras separat....da..oras....are 150k locuitori...cu Funar cu tot...de ce ca a castigat asa detasat.....acolo e "materia cenusie" a clujului. Sunt si exceptii.....patronu meu...care e in stanga mea

:cya:

manelesux ai intrat pe forum doar ca sa comenteze de Matrix, nu-i asa?... de altceva nu cred ca te duc neuronii... ah scuzati, poate daca o sa se deschida un thread de manele o sa se bage si pe acolo ... iar daca vrei sa stii Monica Belluci e o actrita extrem de buna... mai uita-te si tu la filme europene (italienesti si frantuzesti in special) si o sa ai surprize... de fapt nu stiu daca pt tine un film ca "Malena" va insemna ceva... Am impresia ca faci parte din categoria aia de oameni cu creierii prajiti de jocurile de calculator si imbuibati la fast-food, intr-un cuvant exponenti de marca ai populatiei societatii de consum adica niste suboameni lobotomizati obisnuiti sa li se trimita doar stimuli primari: mama, papa, pisu, kaka, laba

Revenind la thread acum...
Ideea in sine de a introduce idei filosofice intr-un film TOTAL comercial mi se pare de prost gust...
Iar filmul nu mi s-a parut atat de genial incat sa ma provoace sa analizez speech-urile unui personaj sau altu...
Iar Matrix 1 normal ca a fost comercial... dar barem acolo au gasit O IDEE simpla si total originala, care nu a mai existat in alt film. Matrix 2 parca a parodiat ideile din Matrix 1... Neo superman??? 100 Agenti Smith care zboara care incotro??? Discoteca in Zion??? scuzati dar asta e clar parodie... Matrix 2 nu aduce absolut nimic nou din punct de vedere al conceptului, e doar o chestie de umplutura cum este si Animatrix sau cum va fi Revolutions, menita a mai stoarce niste sute de milioane $ ... atat si nimik mai mult...

Daca vreti un comentariu la subiect, am si eu unul, scurt:
cinematografia americana este o masina de facut bani, money, MONEY! - cu orice pret! chiar si cu pretul de a face cateodata filme mai bune! chiar si cu pretul de a crea personaje precum manelesux, chiar si cu pretul...

mda, este arta, dar sunt convins ca daca nu ar genera bani frumosi nu ar fi prea creativa

drivere, mersi da sfat,da-mi voie sa-l ignor.

blueghost, gusturile se discuta. asta atzi facut aici tot timpul. Daca gusturile nu s-ar discuta, termenii acestui forum ar fi "imi place" sau "nu imi place", "ma indulceshte", "ma amarashte". Insa termenii pe care ii remarc eu sunt "Matrix 2 e un film prost" (facut de prosti pentru prosti? sau ce inseamna un film prost?), "Matrix e un film genial"(facut de genii, pentru genii?).

JohnDoe, daca tzie tzi se pare contracarare ortodoxa modul in care am fost interpelat, itzi recomand o revizuire a sistemului de valori, pornind de la fabulele din clasele primare sau sa ma lamuresti ce intzelegi tu prin "ortodox". Desi,pentru inceput, poate ai pricepe daca ai reciti mesajele in ordinea in care au fost create posturile.

jotte, vladc, voi mi-atzi aratat ca shtitzi sa respectatzi o parere? cred ca mi-a scapat...ia umblatzi repede la mesajele voastre pana nu va prind mamele. jotte, categoria sociala nu tzi-o prea alegi. Asta e, mama m-a crescut prost, vorbeshte cu ea. Da mai intai lasa-ma sa o intreb pe maica-ta de unde tzi se trage avataru ala cu chilotzeii. Ai venit pe forum sa te simtzi bine? SA te distrezi? Ne explici te rog cum te distreaza avatarul tau? Sau e menit sa ma distreze pe mine?

quote:"daca vrei sa stii Monica Belluci e o actrita extrem de buna"...mda, am vazut-o cum a sucit mintzile criticii in Irreversible,doar prin faptul ca o ia in fund cale de vro 10 minute. Inca un exemplu de rol facut cu fundul, ca intreaga ei cariera. Remarc totusi o frustrare "antiamericana", la mare moda in societatzile intarziate ale lumii a treia. Asta te justifica, dar nu te scuza.

Total comercial? Comercial esti tu cand itzi scotzi alocatzia. De ce e nepotrivit apelul la idei filosofice intr-un film cu target larg? Un film bun e un film capabil sa actioneze pe mai multe nivele,astfel incat fiecare sa gaseasca ceva pentru care sa-l aprecieze. Ca ideile filosofice pe tine te-au obosit, e alta treaba. E problema ta ca ideea cauza-efect tzie se pare un produs al mentalitatzii americane. Cauzele au efecte si la ei, si la noi. Ca filmul nu te-a provocat la analiza,mi se pare normal. Ziceai ca nici macar n-ai urmarit dialogurile...Argumentele tale sunt de asa natura incat incep sa cred ca nici macar nu ai vazut filmul doar ca ti-ai facut o parere care sa se potriveasca cu cea a cercului tau de prieteni.

Matrics 1 MACAR a gasit o idee SIMPLA si TOTAL ORIGINALA? Fiule, ca era simpla, se dovedeste prin faptul ca a fost pe intzelesul tau. Ca a fost originala...hmm, mai deschide o carte. Pariez ca tzie si Titanic tzi s-a parut original. Matrix 2 a fost o parodie pentru cei care au vazut in American Beauty o comedie cu poante putzine. Vrei sa te scuz? Te scuz, da prostii tot vorbesti. Cu ce era discoteca din Zion o parodie? Si de ce Smith e o parodie? Un argument-doua daca se poate, domnucule...Matrix 2 aduce nou in privintza conceptului ideea ca Zion este doar un alt Matrix, plus ce s-a mai discutat pe acolo cu Arhitectul, cu Merovingianul si cu Oracolul...oops,uitasem ca nu ai urmarit dialogurile. Deci ramane sa ma crezi pe cuvant pana revezi filmul.

Banii din cinematografie nu se storc. Banii curg. Din buzunarele cui? Ale tale, care mergi sa-l vezi la cinema. Targetul unui film de hollywood nu este societatea americana. Mai uita-te odata peste incasarile pe care filme ca Titanic, Matrix, etc. le au in Europa. O sa vezi ca turma e la fel de mare, la noi, ca si la ei.

Jotte,si gagica aia cu chilotzeii din avatar are tot scopul sa faca Money Money...da, vorba aia, daca e funny,de ce sa ne plangem? Doar am venit pe forum sa ne distram.

Daca nu s-ar genera bani frumosi nimeni nu ar fi creativ. Arta ar muri in capu artistului, eventual pe vro doua panze gasite din intamplare si tzinute in podul unui muzeu. Traim intr-o lume capitalista,copile. Tu pe ce lume traiesti? Itzi inkipui ca Coshbuc o sa te tzina toata viatza din Ierni pe ulitze?

Desi n-o imbratisez in intregime iata una dintre cele mai exhaustive si pertinente teorii scrise pana acum.


Nothing in the movies is coincidental.  

The keymaker explains that they have exactly 314 seconds to do what they have to do; there has got to be some meaty explanation as to where 314 comes from.

Matrix Essays links to Killing the Buddha which has an article entitled Gnosis Reloaded, which offers this interesting tidbit: The crew at one point is given 314 seconds to complete a task, which could have several interpretations: In gematria, the study of numbers used by the Gnostics but most often by the Jewish mystics, 314 is the numerical equivalent of the name of God (Shaddai). Another possibility is that it refers to a passage in the book of Revelations in which the beginning and end of creation are described. certainly interesting... I also find it somewhat interesting that 314 seconds is exactly 5:14, and the movie first publicly screened on 5/14/03.

Yes, the premier was 5/15, but around here (In NY), it was available in most theaters on the night of the 14th. Probably insignificant, but interesting nonetheless.

The numerology slant draws some interesting comparisons to another one of my favorite movies, Pi. Actually, there are a whole lot of visual, thematic, cinematic, and theological parallels between Pi and the Matrix movies; One day (hopefully soon), when I have tons of time on my hands, I'll devote a couple posts to comparing and contrasting the two, maybe with some screen shots. " "There's more. Although i am ashamed to say that i did not notice this....there are biblical allusions (verses) for each license plate of hero and villain, for those of you who havent already seen it: The Twins' truck on the freeway DE2852. Deutronomy 28:52 - They shall besiege you in all your towns, until your high and fortified walls, in which you trusted, come down throughout all your land. And they shall besiege you in all your towns throughout all your land, which the LORD your God has given you. Trinity and Morephus' Cadillac on the freeway DA203. Daniel 2:03 - I have had a dream that troubles me and I want to know what it means. (NEB)

Agent Smith's Audi at the beginning IS5416. Isaiah 54:16 - Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy."

"Persephone is a character from Greek mythology, the daughter of Zeus and Demeter, who was abducted by Hades and taken to the Underworld. Her mother was so distraught at losing her daughter, that she punished mankind with cold winds and dark winter. She threatened to destroy the Earth if her daughter was not returned. Eventually, they came to a compromise (there's another character involved here who I can't recall), so that Persephone could spend half the year with her mother, and half with Hades in the Underworld. While she is in the Underworld, Demeter inflicts cold and darkness on the earth, and when Persephone returns, sunshine and warmth return to the earth. Thus the ancient Greeks explain the seasons."

Zion is a program, just like the Matrix. How is Neo able to figure out that he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film? The spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.

The One explained  

"The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the Matrix. So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the Matrix. Then "The One" program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. The reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't accept the Matrix. These are all brought out of the Matrix program and into the Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and other similar "ship captain" programs. Then once all the anomalies are out of the Matrix (and in Zion), that is the time for Zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off.

The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can be brought out again so that they can be destroyed. This is the feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that Zion can be rebuilt. So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie - the One's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated. Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each time, or copied, so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the Matrix.

So what happens to the old "The One" program? It faces deletion, and as the Oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the French bloke (the Merovingian) did. He was the first One (probably from the second version of the Matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he became an exile program and "abdicated" his "Oneness" by choosing Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs when Persephone asks Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that she envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. So the Merovingian used to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the feedback-loop explained earlier.

The correct door in the Architect's room.

Now there are two possibilities here:

1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a "temporary dissemination" of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they "carry" thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23 people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the possibility that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried through. But Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the case anyway. He said, "there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who freed the first of us," - basically the One previous to Neo. And this proves that the previous One chose the right door also. Neo's purpose is also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to go into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program parameters. Thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. How was Neo able to choose the other door? Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the Architect indicated that he'd noticed this - "Interesting. That was quicker than the others." Or more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change the One's program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other door.

2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and letting Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does say, "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated," and also, "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it," - assuming the Architect isn't lying, then they have already destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen) five times - i.e., the result of going through the left door.

Morpheus and Trinity are programs. Morpheus's purpose was to find the One and deliver him to the Architect. Trinity's purpose is to control the One by getting in love with him. Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was so important and why she was named Trinity.

The Architect says, "she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it." He was correct though because she did die just like Neo did in the first Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she didn't lie, but he came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to life (we are using medical definition of death in all this of course!).

The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the left door: The Architect - "Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race." Neo - "You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive." The Architect - "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world."

Looking at this further, the Architect does say "coupled" with the extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not exterminated, the human race will not necessarily die. Also, there is likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door, and the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible from the Matrix, then those people won't die. This will be the start of the next Zion.

As for the Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the Matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading!



Agent Smith explained

Agent Smith is the only "human" in this world. He's the one spreading himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the Matrix will finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the one who wants to get out of the Matrix for good. He said so in the first Matrix, "I must get out of here, I must get free! And in this mind, is the key," squeezing Morpheus's temples, "my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be here!" Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the Matrix because Neo is the key to resetting the Matrix, or to shut it off. It was originally killing Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed Smith to become powerful (cloning ability) - so killing Neo again will allow him to gain Neo's powers completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the Matrix. So where the hell did Smith come from if he wants to destroy the Matrix? He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects (and emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described humans at the end of the first Matrix - "You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus." But who put him there?

This will only be revealed in Revolutions (Revelations?) I guess - but I'm betting on humans in the real real world, i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They're at war with the machines and trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus - Agent Smith. So the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith represents the human race!! Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith says to Neo just after he's seen the Oracle that he became free when Neo destroyed him in the first Matrix (remember when Neo entered his body and exploded him from inside out) - as a virus, Smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and thus inherited some of Neo's.


The anomaly explained.

The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The Architect says "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control." This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar is attached with the One program so that he can follow his purpose as explained earlier under "The One explained ". However, he is also supposed to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., Agent Smith - so that he may fulfil his purpose.

Further proving Neo - and other non-accepters of the Matrix - are the anomaly, the Architect says, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." The clue here is Neo's program name - "The One". Take one-third for example. 1 over 3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3, you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the "remainder" 0.00001 (One) gone? This is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical imprecision inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the eventuality of the One anomaly unable to be eliminated.


What is the equation then?

Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The Keymaker refers to the window of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO", incidently, is an anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. Leads us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in Matrix 1 and Reloaded. Neo's room at the beginning, Merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of the car chase in Reloaded, then when Trinity is hacking into the power plant system, she resets the password to Z10N0101. Freaky.

Indicates that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And this is the 6th version of the Matrix! Then there's 303. 303 is the room Neo got shot in Matrix 1, the Oracle lives in room 303, it's also the hotel room number Trinity is in in Matrix 1 and it's seen at the end when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and begins to literally see the code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 = the 6th Matrix. Trinity means


Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to?

The Architect says, "Please," in an almost disapproving sense when Neo suggests the Oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even directly that Neo is wrong. The architect was the one who created the Matrix; the co-creator is neither Persephone nor the Oracle. Both of them are only programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest. The Architect is in charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator is in charge of Zion. She has almost the same age as the Architect. Therefore, that woman is the Head Counsellor, the only woman of importance that lives in Zion and the one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council meeting. She's the one who knew all along about the Matrix. She was the one who told Zion's Defence Minister to cool off and to let Morpheus do his work so things could go as planned.

Or alternatively, it could indeed be the Oracle. She is the only program that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she sees the future, because she knows the program code - she is like God - which is why Seraph protects her - see "Who is Seraph? " below.


What's so special about Neo's avatar?  

Neo is a skilled hacker, and his avatar in the Matrix is based on the person that founded the AI of the original machines that eventually took over the world... How? Take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at the beginning of Matrix 1. It said "DISC AI" on it. The hollowed book Neo takes the disc out of is "Simulacra and Simulation" - a collection of essays by the French postmodernist philosopher Jean Baudrillard. He opens it to the section "on Nihilism" (meaning nothing is truly known, etc.). "Baudrillard's concept of simulation is the creation of the real through conceptual or 'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in reality. The model becomes the determinant of our perception of reality--the real." And Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real," in Matrix 1. I'd say this book describes The Matrix to a tee. So this disc contains the key to the AI, and thus how to destroy the machines, so I think they'll use this info in Revolutions to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll have to go back to the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to.


Who is Seraph?  

The reason Seraph (the chink guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular for the plural "seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the 8th level of Heaven just one below God. So Seraph will obviously have a big part in Revolutions, but whose side will he be on - the machines or the humans?? That is the question.


The Twins

They are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the Oracle explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone killed one of the Merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was emulating a werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why didn't he when his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? Was it because he was wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped? No of course not. The doors of that building, when shut, always led somewhere else (usually in the mountains) when opened again without the Keymaker's key. So if it were slammed shut due to the Twin phasing into ghost form, the Twin's arm would've ended up god knows where, but certainly not attached to the Twin's body.

Genialitatea unei opere de arta nu consta in fidelitatea sau intensitatea cu care sunt reproduse sentimente, idei, trairi etc ci tocmai in capacitatea ei de a transcende universul autorului, de a i se putea atribui diferite sensuri in functie de spectator.


Totusi, nu este cazul Matrix-ului. Trilogia are o constructie in principiu simpla: un schelet format din intrigi detectivistice pe care se incearca mularea unor concepte filosofice aparent non unitare. Daca aceste concepte vor converge catre o forma omogena( sau de ce nu, mai multe forme omogene) ramane de vazut in parta a treia. Deocamdata, cred ca se poate discuta doar despre partea detectivistica a carei constructie este in spiritul filmul. Nimic nu este la voia intamplarii, totul este calculat si fiecare element din scenariu are scopul lui precis. De exempu, in cazul placutelor de inmatriculare as putea sa spun ca autorul teoriei bate campii daca doar una dintre acestea s-ar fi potrivit cu un verset din biblie. Dar cand fiecare din aceste versete iliuresteaza perfect functia respectivului personaj, faptul nu se mai poate ignora. Se poate comenta asupra semnificatiei acestor indicii(de exemplu, mi se pare neconvingatoare explicarea numerelor 101 si 303 care apar obsedant in film), dar nu se poate combate existenta lor.

Deh, sunt destui care considera nulitati si filmele criptice ale lui Lynch, daramite pe cele ale cvasi-necunoscutilor frati Wachowsky.

mai manelesux,
Keanu Reeves, referindu-se la trilogia M, a spus ceva de genul: "It's for kids..." - sunt sigur ca tu ii onorezi vorbele cu prisosinta!

oameni buni...eu am inteles de aici printre altele un lucru: "manelesux" vrea ca toata lumea sa ife de acord cu el indiferente daca e bine sau nu...daca ne place sau nu... :nu:  :nu:  :nu: ...nu de aia exista forum....altii au o parere altii au alta si uite asa....de exemplu spune-mi tu mie manelesuc ce gen de filme iti plac? sau ce gen?....in rest toate cele bune va doresc si vizionare placuta maine cam pe la aceasta ora la film  :yeah baby

incerca si Keanu sa isi justifice talentele precare. vezi-ti de chilotzeii aia, ca poate nu-s for kids, ci pentru oameni maturi care "stiu sa se distreze". La cat de cerebral e Reeves, nu m-ar mira sa nu fi intzeles nimic din propriul film.

neo27, despre filmele care imi plac mie vorbim intr-o viatza ulterioara. ce rost ar avea sa o facem aici? retine oricum ca filmele bune nu au gen. Filmele bune sunt bune...intr-o anumita masura, prin ce zicea Thunder mai devreme. Ca tzine de un gen sau de altul, chiar nu conteaza.

de acord cu ei. ca reactia mea a fost mai vizibila decat porcarioarele lor, sunt de acord. Asta nu schimba cu nimic rahatu. Eu am venit cu argumente, ei cu barfe. Ma mir ca n-ai remarcat dezechilibrul.