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2021: schimbare la fata pentru Lada Niva

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Stimate coleg, au copiat in draci automobilele, de ce crezi ca s-ar fi oprit la camioane? Da, le-au mai luat la pila si ciocan dar in esenta tot copiate sunt, unele mai bune decat originalul dupa cum am zis. In afara de FordA si Fiat nu cred au avut licenta la ceva dar au avut acareturile parasutate de americani, nu trebuiau decat sa le demonteze. Zis151 era Studebaker US6 cu alta emblema.  Licenta in sensul ca trebuiau sa plateasca ptr ele cum am facut noi cu Man, ce au primit rusii in timpul razboiului trebuiau sa le returneze la final. Teoretic.

"The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941, to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the high-octane aviation fuel, 4,478, 116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 Steam locomotives, 66 diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic consumption. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars"
Crezi ca le mai trebuiau licenta?



View PostIon_Bumbu, on 11 ianuarie 2021 - 19:17, said:

Motorul la KRAZ provine din V2 insa nu`i jumatate este un V8 din V12.
Da, e singura informatie care nu am verificat-o inainte de a posta, stiam ce mi-a zis uncheasu ca are juma' de motor de tanc. O fi fost la cilindree? E foarte normal sa fi folosit ce aveau deja. Nu stiu si nici nu conteaza intr-o discutie despre Lada niva facelift.

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Exact, cam nimic din ce ati postat referitor la auto nu prea conteaza in contextul Lada Niva.
Ceva cu motorul pe jumatate exista, la ARO M471 si Carpati, M207 este jumatate din SR211, adica motorul cunoscut ca semicarpati.
Mda, le`au trimis ditamai fabricile fara licente...

Edited by Ion_Bumbu, 12 January 2021 - 11:12.


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View PostIon_Bumbu, on 11 ianuarie 2021 - 19:17, said:

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N`aveau nevoie rusii sa copieze camioane grele, nici tancuri, poate si T34 o fi copiat dupa ceva in opinia dumneavoastra.

T34, cel putin conceptul suspensiei este in mod clar copiat - https://en.wikipedia...stie_suspension

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Domnule, nu mai vorbiti doar sa faceti posturi.
Au luat licenta de la W Christie inca inainte de a introduce T34 in productie.
Au testat conceptul si apoi i`au dat drumul.
Asta inseamna copiere la dumneavoastra?
Si ca idee, restul ce au facut?
Copiat sau licente?

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View Postcristian_sen, on 12 ianuarie 2021 - 08:44, said:

Stimate coleg, au copiat in draci automobilele, de ce crezi ca s-ar fi oprit la camioane?
Insa Lada Niva o fost un concept propriu si chiar avangardist la momentul cand or lansat-o.
Puntea fata independenta, puntea spate multi-link cu arcuri spirale, caroseria autoportanta (fara sasiu), transmisia 4x4 permanenta cu 3 diferentiale din care cel central blocabil + reductor.

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Acuma ca sa punem punctul pe ț trebuie spus ca Niva Vision este in fapt facuta pe platforma Duster-ului.
Deci reluam cu fiabilitate, calitate, durabilitate.
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Prin urmare acesta este viitorul, SUV usor, elegant nu tanc de mers pe oriunde.

Edited by Ion_Bumbu, 14 January 2021 - 15:44.


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Ioane, până la urmă îți iei Nivea din asta nouă sau nu?

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Nu, tractoru` actual e suficient, Loganul trebuie schimbat, cu ce? inca mai deliberez.

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View PostIon_Bumbu, on 14 ianuarie 2021 - 20:10, said:

Nu, tractoru` actual e suficient

care tractor, Domn’ Bumbu? cel caruia daca ii puneti o coada de matura, sa iasa pe fereastra soferului, se confunda cu Masina de Lupta a Infanteriei?...

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Nici macar nu trebuie deschis geamul, are turela ( sau trapa cum mai zic unii)!

Edited by Ion_Bumbu, 14 January 2021 - 21:03.


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View PostIon_Bumbu, on 14 ianuarie 2021 - 21:02, said:

Nici macar nu trebuie deschis geamul, are turela ( sau trapa cum mai zic unii)!
Trapă e corect, turelă e aia care se rotește, ca la tanc.


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Sint bine familiarizat cu termenii insa multi folosesc termenul de turela la auto.
La fel era si la DAC sau Tatra, aia cu acel capac rotund, toti ii ziceau turela desi nu se rotea nimic.

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Un comunicat de la Group Renault, care face referire atat la Dacia, cat mai ales la Lada, cele doua marci fiind (va convine, sau nu...) considerate un "business unit" de catre Renault.

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Business wise, today AVTOVAZ continues its transformation to become a world-class effective and competitive automotive manufacturer within Groupe Renault with the highest localization levels and an efficient business model. It’s main asset – the LADA brand – today leads the Russian market with over 20% market share. The Granta and the Vesta models occupy the 1st and the 2nd places of the Russian sales rating.

AVTOVAZ will strengthen existing synergies with Groupe Renault, especially in Russia, and leverage new ones at both business unit and Groupe levels. AVTOVAZ and Dacia will remain separate companies with their own history and strategy delivering ever-better products for ever-better costs through the new business unit.

AVTOVAZ will benefit from the strong synergies with the group. Both LADA and Dacia range of products will be based on a very cost competitive and flexible CMF-B platform. Together the brands will produce more than 1 million CMF-B based cars annually, going from 4 platforms to one, from 18 body types to 11. The global target is to unleash the potential of LADA and DACIA, making them Full-Fledged International brands, enabling them to go beyond their current perimeter in terms of markets and segments.
Product wise, AVTOVAZ is reinforcing the LADA product plan with 4 all-new models to be marketed by 2025, including all-new generation of the legendary Niva in 2024 and a new vehicle into C-SUV segment in 2025 in order to support both market share and share of wallet.

LADA is a piece of Russia, built to defy the most extreme climate and road conditions, always rough and tough, always ready. Every Russian family has a story with LADA, starting with the iconic VAZ-2101 and Niva, the first in the automotive history monocoque SUV, the essence of the toughest and the most popular vehicles ever.

AVTOVAZ is already actively implementing its new ambitious Product Plan. In 2021, the LADA 4×4, that is celebrating 45 years of serial production, obtained back its original name and now is called LADA Niva Legend. In early 2021 LADA will start sales of the newly presented Niva Travel.

Work on future generation of the iconic Niva has started. Niva in two sizes, compact and medium, based on the same CMF-B platform. Niva is a Cult product, and not only in Russia, it is the Russian Automotive Proxy of the swiss knife. A technical product for usage in extreme conditions: 4×4, High Stance, short gears and robust construction. Furthermore, these products will have a space beyond the Russian market, as they’ve always had. So besides the complete renewal of the mainstream range, the relaunch of the Niva will enable the complete repositioning of LADA as a brand.

SOURCE: Renault Group
(https://www.automoti...ution-strategy/)

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