Canon full frame mirroless

Am urmarit transmisia live a lansarii noului aparat. Liderii in 'Evolution, Revolution, Innovation ' au fost prea jenati sa vorbeasca prea mult despre R si sa prezinte full specs ... asa ca s-au rezumat la o scurta prezentare si au incercat sa fure ochii cu noile obiective vorbind mai mult destre acestea.

Ai uitat  la ''Evolution, Revolution, Innovation''  si ''reinvented'' (Nikon)


4K recording (1.6 crop)  LOL!  Nikon ii da ''ceata'' aici

Nu ma pricep la preturile Canon, poate ne spune cineva cum sunt cele de la obiectivele lansate. Banuiesc ca mari (comparabile cu cele existente)


EVOLUTION MEETS REVOLUTION AS CANON ANNOUNCES THE ALL-NEW EOS R SYSTEM
Optical Innovation Inspires the Next Leap Forward in Imaging
MELVILLE, N.Y., September 5, 2018 – Canon U.S.A. Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, today announced the next revolution in the company’s long history of innovative and award-winning camera systems, the EOS R system featuring the newly designed RF mount. Recognizing the need to advance optical design, the Company sought to create a versatile and powerful new system that supports all current EF, EF-S, TS-E and MP-E lenses[i], and also provides the optical advancements and engineering flexibility to build upon for years to come.
When Canon set forth to develop a new interchangeable lens camera system, they focused on three core optical principles: high-image quality, high-specification performance, and compact design. Recognizing that optics is the foundation for any camera system, the RF mount was conceived to open new doors in optical design. Canon’s new RF mount features the same size diameter as the EF mount (54mm) and shorter back focus distance. This allows for lenses to sit closer to the sensor (the focal plane) and allowed Canon optical engineers to reimagine lens design utilizing larger rear lens elements to produce an image on the full-frame sensor. This new optical formula has paved the way for higher performing lenses. In addition, the Canon RF mount features a high-speed 12-pin communication system that provides faster and more in-depth communication between the camera and lens over existing Canon mount systems.
The EOS R system is designed for full, uninhibited compatibility with all existing EF, EF-S, TS-E and MP-E lenses through the use of mount adapters[ii]. In addition, through the use of the optional Drop-In Filter Mount Adapter or Control Ring Mount Adapter these lenses, in fact, gain functionality.

The First in a New System: The EOS R
The new Canon EOS R full-frame mirrorless camera features a 30.3 megapixel CMOS sensor that is powered by the Company’s latest image processor, DIGIC 8, enabling shooting at up to 8.0 frames per second[iii]. The new camera inherits a lot from Canon’s legacy in both EOS and Cinema EOS. Video storytellers can capture stunning 4K UHD video up to 30fps and record in 10-bit 4:2:2 (with an external recorder). The EOS R also comes with the ability to shoot Canon Log, providing 12 stops of dynamic range, minimal loss of detail in shadows and highlighted areas and an increased range of choices when color grading. Users with an existing collection of Canon lenses will be excited to know that all EF and EF-S lens are compatible with the camera. In order to do so, photographers and videographers can choose between using one of three new mount adapters, each uniquely designed to meet the individual needs of the user.
The new Canon EOS R camera features Dual Pixel CMOS Auto Focus with 5,655 manually selectable AF points[iv], supporting AF at up to f/11 with a 384 zone (24x16) real-time metering system. With f/1.2 lenses, the camera astonishingly boasts AF sensitivity in low light in as little as EV-6. When using the RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens with the EOS R, the camera can focus in as little as 0.05 seconds with Dual Pixel CMOS AF[v], making it the fastest autofocus speed in the world[vi]. These features provide photographers and videographers with Canon’s most advanced AF system to date. The EOS R also features a silent shutter setting when shooting in single-shot mode; an important feature for those who need to capture imagery without disrupting the scene. An upcoming free firmware update will enable silent shutter in continuous shooting mode as well.



Additional noteworthy features of the EOS R Camera include:
RF Mount Compatible with RF Lenses and EF/EF-S Lenses
Built-in EVF with 3.69 Million Dots, Vari-angle Touchscreen LCD and Dot-matrix LCD Panel
ISO range of 100-40,000, expandable to 102,400
USB 3.1 in-camera charging support
Built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi® providing easy sharing to compatible smart devices and social media sites
Single UHS-II SD card slot
CR3(RAW/C-RAW) and Dual Pixel RAW Support
Dust and weather resistant
Availability and Pricing
The Canon EOS R full-frame mirrorless camera is scheduled to be available in October 2018 for an estimated retail price of $2299* for the body only. It will also be sold as a body-and-lens kit with the new RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens for $3399*.
[i] When attaching an EF-S lens via any of Canon’s new R-series mount adapters, the new EOS R automatically switches to APS-C crop mode.
[ii] When attaching an EF-S lens via any of Canon’s new R-series mount adapters, the new EOS R automatically switches to APS-C crop mode.
[iii] Continuous shooting speed may vary depending on the shutter speed, the aperture, the lens being used, the battery charge and various camera settings.
[iv] Available AF points may decrease when shooting with AF cropping or in movie mode, or depending on camera settings or lens attached.
[v] Based on results of AF speed tests in accordance with CIPA guidelines. Results may vary depending on shooting conditions and lens in use. Relies on internal measurement method.
Brightness at time of distance measurement: EV12(regular temperature, ISO 100)
Shooting mode: M
Lens in use: RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM, with focal distance of 24mm and live-view mode on(with manual shutter button operation
AF mode: Live single-point AF(central) and AF operation: One-shot AF
[vi] Among interchangeable lens digital mirrorless cameras incorporating 35mm full frame equivalent image sensors with phase-difference detection AF on the image plane and contrast detection AF, available in the market as of September 5th, 2018 (Based on Canon's Research).
[vii] Compatible with iPad models utilizing iOS 11 or later and equipped with at least 2GB of onboard RAM—specifically, iPad Pro (all models), iPad (5th generation), iPad (6th generation), iPad mini 4 and iPad Air 2.
*Availability, prices and specifications are subject to change without notice. Actual prices are set by individual dealers and may vary.
Canon EOS R specifications
Price
MSRP $2299 (body only), $3399 (w/24-105 F4L lens)
Body type
Body type SLR-style mirrorless
Body material Magnesium alloy
Sensor
Max resolution 6720 x 4480
Other resolutions 4176 x 2784 (1.6x crop)
Image ratio w:h 1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels 30 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors 32 megapixels
Sensor size Full frame (36 x 24 mm)
Sensor type CMOS
Color space sRGB, Adobe RGB
Color filter array Primary color filter
Image
ISO Auto, 100-40000 (expands to 50-102400)
Boosted ISO (minimum) 50
Boosted ISO (maximum) 102400
White balance presets 6
Custom white balance Yes
Image stabilization No
Uncompressed format RAW
JPEG quality levels Fine, normal
File format
JPEG
Raw (14-bit Canon CRW)
C-Raw (Canon compressed Raw)
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
Contrast Detect (sensor)
Phase Detect
Multi-area
Center
Selective single-point
Tracking
Single
Continuous
Touch
Face Detection
Live View
Autofocus assist lamp Yes
Manual focus Yes
Number of focus points 5655
Lens mount Canon RF
Focal length multiplier 1×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCD Fully articulated
Screen size 3.2″
Screen dots 2,100,000
Touch screen Yes
Screen type TFT LCD
Live view Yes
Viewfinder type Electronic
Viewfinder coverage 100%
Viewfinder magnification 0.76×
Viewfinder resolution 3,690,000
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed 30 sec
Maximum shutter speed 1/8000 sec
Exposure modes
Program
Aperture priority
Shutter priority
Manual
Built-in flash No
External flash Yes (via hot shoe)
Flash X sync speed 1/200 sec
Drive modes
Single
High-speed continuous
Low-speed continuous
Self-timer
Continuous drive 8.0 fps
Self-timer Yes (2 or 10 secs)
Metering modes
Multi
Center-weighted
Spot
Partial
Exposure compensation ±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing ±3 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
Videography features
Format MPEG-4, H.264
Modes
3840 x 2160 @ 30p / 480 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
3840 x 2160 @ 30p / 120 Mbps, MOV, H.264, AAC
3840 x 2160 @ 24p / 480 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
3840 x 2160 @ 24p / 120 Mbps, MOV, H.264, AAC
3840 x 2160 @ 23.98p / 480 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
3840 x 2160 @ 23.98p / 120 Mbps, MOV, H.264, AAC
1920 x 1080 @ 60p / 180 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
1920 x 1080 @ 60p / 60 Mbps, MOV, H.264, AAC
1920 x 1080 @ 30p / 90 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
1920 x 1080 @ 30p / 30 Mbps, MOV, H.264, AAC
1920 x 1080 @ 24p / 90 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
1920 x 1080 @ 24p / 30 Mbps, MOV, H.264, AAC
1920 x 1080 @ 23.98p / 90 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
1920 x 1080 @ 23.98p / 30 Mbps, MOV, H.264, AAC
1280 x 720 @ 120p / 160 Mbps, MOV, H.264, Linear PCM
Microphone Stereo
Speaker Mono
Storage
Storage types SD card (UHS-II supported)
Connectivity
USB USB 3.1 Gen 1 (5 GBit/sec)
USB charging Yes (with LP-E6N only)
HDMI Yes (Mini-HDMI)
Microphone port Yes
Headphone port Yes
Wireless Built-In
Wireless notes 802.11b/g/n + Bluetooth 4.1 LE
Remote control Yes (via smartphone)
Physical
Environmentally sealed Yes
Battery Battery Pack
Battery description LP-E6N lithium-ion battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA) 370
Weight (inc. batteries) 660 g (1.46 lb / 23.28 oz)
Dimensions 136 x 98 x 84 mm (5.35 x 3.86 x 3.31″)
Other features
Orientation sensor Yes
GPS None

Edited by mircea812, 05 September 2018 - 11:30.

Preturile au aparut pe DPReview:

"The Canon RF 50mm F1.2 L USM will be available in October 2018 for an estimated retail price of $2299. The Canon RF 28-70mm F2 L USM, RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM and RF 35mm F1.8 MACRO IS STM will all be available for purchase in December 2018 for an estimated retail price of $2999, $1099 and $499.99 respectively."
https://www.dpreview...rf-mount-lenses

O serie de observatii despre Canon RF de la baietii ex CSTV din timpul lansarii.
https://twitter.com/thatJordanDrake

https://www.instagra...chris.niccolls/

TS030, on 05 septembrie 2018 - 11:44, said:

Imi aduc aminte ce spume la gura faceau pe aici unii (la figurat binenteles), incercand sa demonstreze ca obiective de la Olympus precum 25mm f/1.2 45mm F/1.2 sunt scumpe (1200$) si grele (400 de grame) in comparatie cu  obiectivele FF vechi de la Canon si Nikon.

Ok, vad ca la Canon un 50mm F/1.2 nou cantareste 950 de grame si costa 2300$. Dublu la pret si cu 130% mai greu.

Este fix ce spuneam atunci - hai sa vedem un obiectiv de FF la zi (rezolutie buna, eletronica noua...etc) si dupa aia vorbim.
Ok. Va rog vorbiti acum !   Explicati-mi acum ca nu sunt diferente la greutate/pret intre cele 2 sisteme.

Si celelalte obiective anuntate sunt grele si scumpe.
Sigur nu o sa fie un sistem portabil. Altfel sunt convins ca obiectivele sunt foarte bune si ca isi merita pretul.

Edited by katran, 05 September 2018 - 12:33.

katran, on 05 septembrie 2018 - 12:26, said:

Cut cat e mai mare suprafata de senzor acoperita de obiectivul FF canon?

Edited by crokodilu, 05 September 2018 - 12:40.

La aparitia sistemului m43 se striga sus si tare ca principalele avantaje sunt portabilitatea sistemului, utilizarea mai buna a obiectivelor pe senzor 4/3 care acopera mai bine suprafata obiectivului circular, ca scoaterea oglinzii, senzorul mai mic, obiectivele mai eficiente toate astea vor duce si la scaderi semnificative de pret fata de sistemele dslr concurente, la aceasi calitate a imaginii, daca nu chiar mai buna .  Azi vedem ca nu prea s-a intamplat asa, mai ales in zona de calitate superioara cea interesanta pentru pasionatii de fotografie, preturi comparabile cu dlsrurile FF existente, obiective mari si scumpe, etc. In cazul sistemelor FF nimeni nu a spus ca vrea sa le faca portabile si mai ieftine. E logic ca pentru un sistem cu senzor mult mai mare si preturile si greutatea sa fie mai mari. Pe de alta parte politica asta de crestere semnificativa a preturilor pe o piata care devine tot mai mica va face ca piata sa fie si mai mica. Aia cu telefoanele au inteles ca daca ofera telefoane bune in zona de 5-600 euro vanzarile le cresc foarte mult. Astia cu sisteme foto s-au vorbit sa ofere camere de 2-3000 euro si obiective de la 2000 euro on sus, asa ca nu-i de mirare ca tot mai multi fac poze cu telefonu chiar daca lipseste al doilea slot pentru card.

Edited by edri, 05 September 2018 - 13:03.

Eu ziceam doar sa comparam camere si obiective din aceeasi generatie. Nu obiective m4/3 proaspat lansate, cu obiective de FF lansate acum 10...15 ani.

Cum nu prea s-a intamplat asa ?
Dezvolta, te rog !

Am gasit astazi o fotografie interesanta pe un forum.

 olympus comp.jpg   132.3K   33 downloads

Sunt de acord ca nu sunt perfect echivalente sistemele, dar m4/3 nu a promis ca ofera ceva perfect echivalent.

Edited by katran, 05 September 2018 - 13:05.

katran, on 05 septembrie 2018 - 12:26, said:

Compari nuci cu portocale. Încă nu te-ai prins că f/1,2 pe MFT nu e totuna cu f/1,2 pe FF?
Ar fi EF 50 f/1,4 de comparat, dar ăsta e un obiectiv antic (1993) așa că l-aș exclude. Dacă accepți, un obiectiv Canon FF modern, pe aproape cu 25mm f/1.2, ar fi EF 35 f/2 IS USM, actualmente cca. 2.700 lei la F64. Cum spuneam într-un alt post, la F64 prețurile sunt actualmente mult umflate. Nu știu dacă vor rămâne așa sau e numai o chestie temporară, cum s-a mai întâmplat. Eu l-am luat în 2017 de nou, tot de la F64, cu 2.208 lei. Cântărește 335g. E un obiectiv excelent dpdv optic, AF, IS. Nu are WS.

Dincolo de asta nici mie nu-mi plac obiectivele EF-R scoase acum de către Canon. Dar sunt alte sute EF-uri dintre care imposibil să nu găsească fiecare ce dorește, după buget și pretenții. Plus o piață SH imensă, pentru cei care preferă așa ceva.

Edited by calexe, 05 September 2018 - 13:07.

Si cum 50mm f1.4 mi s-a stricat acum ceva ani o sa raman cu cel de f1.8 mult timp de acum incolo. Nu stiu in ce masura au reinventat roata dar preturile cu siguranta sunt revolutionare

calexe, on 05 septembrie 2018 - 13:03, said:

Cred ca este un lucru evident pentru toata lumea, dar m4/3 nici nu si-a propus sa ofere ceva perfect echivalent ca DOF/suprafata expusa.
Daca dorea sa ofere ceva perfect echivalent, facea direct FF-uri.

Edited by katran, 05 September 2018 - 13:08.

brusc, sistemul Nikon Z nu mai arată așa rău )

Mie singura chestie pozitivă în anunțurile de azi de la Canon mi se par EF400 f/28L3 și EF600 f/4L3. A, nu, nu pentru că le-aș cumpăra. Ci numai pentru că e un semnal că, cel puțin deocamdată, nu se abandonează obiectivele EF.

În rest încep să îmi fac griji că 5D4 se va iefteni...

calexe, on 05 septembrie 2018 - 13:03, said:

dacă în același condiții de lumină, timpul de expunere și ISO-ul pentru expunerea unei imagini identice (dpdv al expunerii, evident) sunt identice atunci e totuna.

Nu zic aici de perspectivă sau câmpul de profunzime.

Faza nasoala cu lansarile astea:

5D4 si D850 nu cred ca se vor ieftini... ba chiar va creste cererea pentru ele.

P.S: comparati daca vreti, Oly 45mm/Pana 42.5mm f1.2 cu acest 50mm f1.2. Sunt probabil cele mai apropiate dpdv al specificatiilor... Si tot sunt 1/2 din greutate si din pret fata de Canon. Si pe 25mm f1.2 cu 24mm f1.4.

Ba sa zici

montecarlo, on 05 septembrie 2018 - 13:34, said:

Păi pe unii tocmai asta îi interesează, și tocmai din acest motiv preferă FF și caută obiective cu diafragmă mare. Altfel, din celălalt punct de vedere, cred că există deja și pe telefon f/1,2 sau pe aproape. Scuze, nu știu exact, poate "pe aproape" e mai corect. f/1,7 parcă am văzut deja.

Edited by calexe, 05 September 2018 - 13:52.

1.8 am eu, si bate orice oly la pret, dimensiune si greutate.
Si mai mult ca sigur în același condiții de lumină, timpul de expunere și ISO-ul pentru expunerea unei imagini identice (dpdv al expunerii, evident) sunt identice.

Edited by crokodilu, 05 September 2018 - 14:07.