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TESLA se privatizeaza

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View Postinuendo0, on 08 august 2018 - 10:08, said:

85% din actiunile TSLA sunt detinute de 100 persoane/entitati. Elon detine 20% din total. Nu cred ca a fost greu sa-i convinga pe restul 99.
Pentru ceilalti (15% din actiuni) trebuie doar sa stranga 10-15 miliarde ca sa le rascumpere actiunile la 420usd/actiune. Si asta in cazul in care TOTI vor sa vanda. 10-15 miliarde cred ca ii poate produce PERSONAL Musk.

10-15 miliarde este o suma aberant de mare si daca excluzi canalele clasice de finantare, nu sunt multe entitati pe aceasta lume sa djspuna de asa suma imediat. S,ar fi auzit pe piata.
Altfel, musk, in nume personal ma indoiesc ca are si 100 de miloane. Nu e stilul. El mereu a investit, toti banii i,a bagat in afaceri. Unele profitabile, altele nu.
apropos de profitabilitate. Toti vad pretul actiunilor la Tesla, dar uita ca aceasta xompanie inca nu a facut profit, ci este pe pierdere. Short sellerii pe asta mizeaza.

Chiar sunt curios sa vad cum iese. Eu la tesla nu am, cel putin in mod direct.
Eu cred ca musk a mers la plesneala, nu exista o intemtie reala de rascumparare, totul a fost cu directie la short selleri.
Daca era altfel, ar fi anuntat dimineata, nu xu 2 hr ininte de inchidere. Ar fi fost un comunicat oficial inainte de twiter si nu dupa.

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O declaratie a board-ului ca nu e declaratie la plesneala https://www.cnbc.com...go-private.html
Members of the Tesla board said Wednesday they have met "several times" to discuss CEO Elon Musk's desire to go private.
Musk raised the discussion with the board last week, the statement says, lending some legitimacy and context to Musk's original tweet.

Here's the full statement:
Last week, Elon opened a discussion with the board about taking the company private. This included discussion as to how being private could better serve Tesla's long-term interests, and also addressed the funding for this to occur. The board has met several times over the last week and is taking the appropriate next steps to evaluate this.

Edited by Hansolo, 08 August 2018 - 15:49.


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nu, nu merge. omul a fost foarte clar, fondurile sunt secured. daca spune ca "i am thinking about taking Tesla out", "there is an intention to bla bla bla" "we have to find the source of the funds" etc etc etc...

pana la proba contrarie, eu cred ca e plesneala. proba, asa cum sec probabil o va cere, trebuie sa fie negru pe alb, acord semnat, nu vorbe in vant cum a fost tuitaru.

nu trebuia sa bage chestia cu funding secured. de acolo o sa i se traga.

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un articol interesant, ce explic undeva poate si o a doua cauza pt iesirea lui musk, dincolo de aversiunea lui fata de short seller
https://www.thestree...k-says-14677137

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nu vreau sa dau spam aici, dar e sectiune de news pt auto si pt ca vb de Tesla, ne interteseaza.
urmariti acest articol (al doilea din pagina de matt levine) este lung, dar cea mai buna analiza de am vazut'o in ultimile 24 hr

https://www.bloomber...-fun-with-tesla

se explica multe, si in speta, pt discutia ce a fost pe acest topic pe cealalta pagina, se reitereaza
Okay one more question: Is this … legal? Is it ... securities fraud? Well, look, I mean, if Musk’s tweets are accurate in all material respects, then it’s fine, and if not, then it’s not? I mean, that is not legal advice, but it seems reasonable? Obviously even if you are definitively planning to take your company private, and have lined up financing, it is not customary to announce it in a tweet. It’s not best practices. But if it’s true, you know, whatever. Does it violate Regulation FD to announce it via tweet rather than press release? No, come on, this is Tesla, everyone is reading Musk’s tweets. I have never seen a buyout proposal get a tenth as much immediate public attention as Musk’s did; if you’re worried about everyone hearing about it at the same time, Musk tweeting it is the optimal disclosure method.
But what if Musk doesn’t promptly go ahead with a fully financed buyout offer? Arguably he has left himself some wiggle room by saying that he’s “considering” it, but only a little. A follow-up tweet said “Only reason why this is not certain is that it’s contingent on a shareholder vote,” which sure looks to me like he is definitively committed to making the offer, and that the only way the buyout won’t happen is if shareholders vote it down. This is of course a strange posture: Tesla’s board of directors—and probably an independent special committee of the board—will have to sign off on a merger before it goes to a shareholder vote. There’s no indication that a special committee has even been formed, though this morning some board members put out a short statement saying that they’ve discussed the going-private idea with Musk. But sure, if you assume, reasonably, that the board will do what Musk wants, then it seems like he has committed to offering a fully financed deal at $420 and putting it to a shareholder vote.
So if he doesn’t go through with it, after pretty explicitly promising that he would, then that is … embarrassing. More than embarrassing? The stock closed up 11 percent yesterday due to his tweets. If those tweets turn out to be misleading—if it turns out, in particular, that Musk has not “secured” funding for his proposal—then a lot of people were misled out of a lot of money. Musk has said things that were not true on Twitter before, including about Tesla’s financial situation, but those were jokes, or just Elon being Elon. There is something different about pretending to launch a buyout of a public company in order to drive up the price, and then not doing it. That’s a thing that the Securities and Exchange Commission pays attention to! That’s a thing that people go to prison for!

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View Postargentum, on 08 august 2018 - 16:10, said:

pana la proba contrarie, eu cred ca e plesneala. proba, asa cum sec probabil o va cere, trebuie sa fie negru pe alb, acord semnat, nu vorbe in vant cum a fost tuitaru.

nu trebuia sa bage chestia cu funding secured. de acolo o sa i se traga.

Si tu de unde stii ca fondurile nu sunt "secured" ? :) Nu ar fi mai corect sa spunem ca, pana la proba contrarie, il credem pe CEO-ul companiei care si-a pus pielea la bataie. Ce castiga din toate declaratiile astea daca nu era nici o urma de adevar in ele? Nimic. Ba din contra, isi afecteaza compania, credibilitatea,evaluarea actiunilor si multe altele.

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Daca aruncai o privire prin toate articolele de le,am pus, ai fi vazut interesul lui musk sa tina actiunile la peste 360.00, vs debtul ce l,a acumulat.  
Singurul care a castigat pana acum e musk. Si cei ce au vandut pe plus

De unde stiu ca nu sunt secured? Nu stiu.
Apropos, tu ce crezi, e mai bun um veyron din ala la soselele din Romania? Ca ma bate de gand sa cumpar unu. Normal, fondurile,s secured.

Da,o naibii de treaba. Musk e un copil teribil, nu vrea sa joace dupa reguli si asta ppoate ca a fost parte din succesul lui. Doar ca la bursa, vrei nu vrei, iti place sau nu, astea,s regulile.
Si lui nu,i plac regulile astea, de asta si
1. Daca e real vrea sa scoata compania. Sa fie tot cu aceasi actionari, da sa nu fie incorsetat de reguli, nevoit sa dea seama pt ce face
2. Si de nu e real.... here we go again

Ca isi pierde credibilitatea, de acord.

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Dovada ca musk este un manager jalnic, de mana a zecea. Au pierdut si la bursa.

https://money.cnn.co...ubts/index.html

"Investors have serious doubts about Elon Musk's plan to take Tesla private.

In two days, the stock has erased the 8.6% gain that followed Musk's surprise announcement on Twitter that he had secured funding to take the electric car maker off the public market. That includes a 4.8% drop on Thursday.

"The number one issue is simply that the investment community is uncertain about where this funding" is coming from, said Rebecca Lindland, an industry analyst with Kelley Blue Book."

https://www.google.c...rticle/10104644

"The electric carmaker's shares fell almost 5 per cent overnight, making it one of the worst performing stocks on Wall Street's Nasdaq index."

Edited by Torquemada-666, 10 August 2018 - 07:30.


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Pai si nu se stia asta ca la delistare + trecere la investitori privati pe termen scurt apar si pierderi ? Se stia si s-a vorbit de asta... ce e asa senzational Posted Image
Stai sa vezi mai incolo avantajele...

Edited by andreic, 10 August 2018 - 07:45.


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La cat a inchis Tesla ieri? 352? Sa vedem ce se intampla pe mai departe

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Sunt analiști care consideră că Musk n-ar intenționa în mod serios s-o facă privată,  ci doar să-i urce acțiunile peste 360.
In martie 2019 Tesla trebuie să returneze un împrumut de 920 milioane, iar în felul ar evita refinanțarea, pentru ca din profit nu poate fi vorba

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Asta e o chestie cam ilegala. Nici macar Musk nu cred ca e asa nebun :).

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Ba tocmai asta a facut si m am repeta pana la plictis daca as posta iarasi articolele de mai sus.

View Postargentum, on 09 august 2018 - 14:51, said:

Daca aruncai o privire prin toate articolele de le,am pus, ai fi vazut interesul lui musk sa tina actiunile la peste 360.00, vs debtul ce l,a acumulat.  



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Un articol interesant: https://loupventures...-to-go-private/
After processing Musk’s letter along with a number of other variables that have emerged, we believe there is a greater than 50% chance Tesla becomes a private company.
A privately held Tesla has a greater chance of succeeding than if it remains publically held.
While legal concerns about Musk’s use of “financing secured” could weigh on shares in the near-term. We do not believe he or the company are at legal risk.
Our best guess is it will take $25-$30B to take Tesla private.
We think there is a slight chance (10%) the $420 bid will be raised to satisfy current investors who would be unable to own Tesla privately.


Did Musk do anything wrong?
The short answer is we don’t think so. That said, this topic could weigh on shares in the near-term. In 2012, the SEC ruled that social media can be used to disclose material information as long as investors are aware and access is not limited in what’s known as the Reed Hasting’s Rule. Tesla disclosed that social media may be an outlet for disseminating company information in a 2013 8K. This, of course, assumes the tweets were truthful, but the language, “funding secured” is a vague statement that, although it implied funding is fully lined up, leaves a lot of room for legal interpretation. If Musk’s claims (which were responsible for an 11% jump in share price) were false, he could face repercussions, but based on further statements from Tesla and its board, that is unlikely.


Si un istoric apropo de politici similare de squeeze shorts care nu au avut implicatii legale https://teslamotorsc...03#post-2942150
Executive summary:
During the October 2008 Volkswagen short squeeze the share price gapped up by over +102% on the opening of the first day of the squeeze and went from 210.9€ to 1005€ within two trading sessions, a 4.7x (+370%) increase.
Extreme price levels (compared to the pre-squeeze price) lasted a full week, 5 trading sessions.
Post short squeeze price levels remained elevated at +20%, despite the end of 2008 financial crisis raging.

Sau https://www.reuters....E49R3I920081028
Short sellers make VW the world's priciest firm
Elon Musk a declarat ca squeeze-ul de la Tesla il va intrece pe cel de la VW

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Chesti e ca nu poate sa fac ceea ce a declarat. E curat caragiale, sa schimbam totul, dar sa nu se modifice nimic.

Ce a spus musk
Scoatem compania de pe bursa, ca asa suntem protejati si pot face ce vreau eu ca sa avem succes, actionarii raman aceiasi si vor avea un cadru ca la fiecare sase luni sa vanda.

Legea e clara, sec spune, nu poti fi compNie privata, nelistata la bursa, cu mii de actionari. Poti face asta dava ai un numar limitat de actionari.

Oricum, s,a deschis proces

https://www.bbc.com/...siness-45155268

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Mii de actionari, cine a spus asta? Era de asteptat ca shortsellerii sa deschida proces, ramane de vazut ce vor castiga, parerea mea e ca sunt doomed.
Despre actionari cum isi pot pastra actiunile a spus Musk si nu sunt dubii. Singura chestie e ca anumiti investitori nu pot participa la o investitie nelistata (a fost mentionat exemplul cu fondul norvegian).
Un tabel cu investitorii majori aici https://cleantechnic...e-er-explosion/

Edited by Hansolo, 11 August 2018 - 18:41.


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El a spus. A spus ca fiecare isi poate pastra actiunile sau sa i le vand luia 420. nu a spus ca vor fi invitati doar actionarii majoritati in noul vehicol ce ial gandeste. Au sous ca toti pot ramane. Si sunt mii de actionari in prezent
Ca au o cota infima, e drept, dar sunt mii.

Musk a dat,o in balarii. Dincolo de kicking tires, nu a avut nimic concret. Nici dupa 2 zile boardul nu a putut numi sursa finantarii.
Orice discutii asupra planului lui musk sunt pe principiul nebunului cu pIatra,n apa.
O sa iasa aiurea rau. Mai mult, Tesla risca sa fie doar companie de speculatii la bursa, marile fonduri o sa, si ia mana de pe ea. Prea multa incertitudine, neseriozitaye etc. Cand musk a
O sa vrea fonduri o sa maarunteasca. O sa,l coste scump sau o sa vanda la sauditi

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Nu prea e lumea interesata de privatizare, chiar daca e Tesla.

https://www.google.c...ng-private.html

"Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF) has shown no interest so far in financing Tesla CEO Elon Musk's proposed $72 billion deal to take the U.S. electric car maker private, despite acquiring a minority stake in the company this year, two sources familiar with the matter said."

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