Originea românilor - partea IV, Istoria României, românilor: anii 500-1200

Unde sunt romanicii sau românii de aici?

Daca, prin absurd, n-ar fi reusit Reconquista, azi te-ai fi uitat ca broasca la baterie la harta limbilor romanice si-ai fi zis "unde sunt romanicii din peninsula iberica?"

Ai punctat bine, dar chestiunea este ceva mai elaborata.

Se presupune ca in Cordoba nu ar mai fi existat iberici, ori mozarabica spune alta poveste.


Nici expansiunea castilianei peste arealul mozarabic nu este atat de clar.
Daca mozaraba era o varianta regionala derivata din castiliana sau din protoibera?
Dar daca castiliana exista in arealul mozarabic dar nu era uzitata in scris.

Pana la urma ce daca aveam astazi mozaraba in locul spaniolei?

Exemplul iberic ne confirma cat de tampita este teoria conform careia limbile sunt eterne, nemiscate, imuabile, de nedezlocuit.

Nu-i atat de sigur daca ai fost atent la interogatile mele.

Si chiar daca nu ar fi existat tot castiliana in Cordoba, asta nu inseamna ca majoritatea vorbeau araba sau doar araba.

La prima vedere se spune ceva apoi intrand in detalii se arata ca ibericii erau salbaticiti si fara biserica dar existau si ei si limba lor mai ales in zonele montane.

Mount_Yerrmom, on 09 august 2017 - 19:06, said:

Iraniana, hindi, bengali, samd

Continuitatea culturii dacice:

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Edited by Infinitty, 03 September 2017 - 10:36.

Limba gotilor si gepizilor:

http://www.krassotki...r-prayer.su.gif

Atta = Tata
Tu = Tu
Veinai = să Vină, învia
Namo tein = Numele tău

Chimai = a Chema

Wai-rtai = Fă!, să fie

Vilia = Voia, vrea

Swe (Șe?)= Așa

in =în
Jah (ja?) = Așa

Ana = în

u-nsarana = noastră

si-n-teinan = zi în ...

thatai = toate

svas =așa

lausai = lăsa

ist = este

Cca. jumatate din limba gotilor pare a fi limba română.
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Infinitty, on 03 septembrie 2017 - 11:01, said:

poate de la faptul ca Wulfila a preluat multe latinisme, limba gota neavand termeni asa multi.

Eu cred ca sunt dacisme de la componenta dacică a acestor triburi germanice.

Infinitty, on 12 septembrie 2017 - 21:05, said:

termeni latini , sunt de origine dacica ?

Termeni românești iar nu latini.
Daca ar fi fost latini i-aș fi trecut cu vederea deoarece nici nu vorbesc si nici nu inteleg deloc chineza, pardon latina.


Chiar acum am observat o mare diferenta intre informația despre daci din articolele din Wikipedia engleza fata de cea română. Diferentele sunt uriase, practic dacii wiki engleză sunt un popor probat prin dovezi materiale culturi arheologice si ei au asimilat alte triburi si nu invers, iar romanii nu au avut nicio noima in toata aceasta poveste.

Va propun sa cititi si sa comparati cele doua variante.

Wiki română nici macar nu cuprinde un articol despre daci ci ca in comunism apar aceleasi basme expirate fara pic de suport stiintific. Se vorbeste exclusiv despre statalitate si cateva personaje.

Eu zic ca ai nostri servesc basme pe post de informații științifice si se fac de ras ca nu au fost capabili macar sa traducă articolul despre daci din Wiki engleză.

Rușine! ...Și ne mai ținem mari rectori si academicieni de renume.

Wiki engleză ne descrie fiecare orizont arheologic aparținând dacilor și ne explica apartenenta acestora la grupul celtic rasaritean mixat cu elemente proto-slave.

Infinitty, on 12 septembrie 2017 - 21:47, said:

intradevar , am verificat si wiki englez ii mai amplu, nici nu am gasit articol despre daci doar despre Dacia
( probabil is trecuti ca geto daci ) articolu ii mai voluminos dar opereaza cu aceleasi clisee, : geto dacii, un construct modern proiectat asupra trecutului, plus aberatia aia cu populatia Dacieiei romane intre 600.000-1.200.000 locuitori.

Edited by Sucre-Bolivar, 12 September 2017 - 21:59.

Daca intrii in detalii vei vedea o diferenta uriasa intre dacii prezentati de wiki engleza si wiki romina (geto-daci si Dacia).

Exista trei mari culturi dacice care isi continua existenta neintrerupt din antichitatea clasica pana in antichitatea tarzie chiar pana in medievalitate si se arata foarte clar ca a existat o dacizare a mai multor triburi alogene, cat si a Daciei Felix si ca aceste culturi dacice continua prin asa-zisele culturi proto-rominesti.

In Wikipedia romina nu se prezinta nimic despre daci decat basme si abureli, apoi sunt scosi repede din scena odata cu Dacia Felix si se porneste cu romanizarea si rominizarea intr-o nebuloasa unde sunt aglutinate fara motiv si culturile arheologice asa-zise proto-rominesti.


Ma dezgusta sovinismul si xenofobia cat si grandomania de ambele parti, eu ii vad pe daci conform culturilor lor arheologice, adică un popor care incorpora in arealul sau si alte populatii alogene lor din cele mai vechi timpuri.

Dacii erau o ramura a proto-celtilor rasariteni, iar limba lor se gaseste la intersectia proto-celticei rasaritene cu proto-slava sau formau pe atunci o limba unitara.

Asadar dacii erau identici cu celtii, nici mai mult si nici mai putin.

PS: Apropo, ca sa fie mistificarea pana la capat, nu exista nimic dincolo de epoca neolitica la Wiki romina, dar nu-i bai ca avem Wiki engleza care deconspira totul.

RO: https://ro.wikipedia...iul_României

ENG: https://en.wikipedia...of_Transylvania

CULTURI cu privire la romini: https://en.wikipedia...eology#Cultures

Smiszko (1932), Kostrzewski (1949), Sulimirski (1972), Cigilik (1975), Kozak (1989 and 2006), Shchukin (1989 and 2006) explicitly assign to it a Dacian / North Thracian origin.[4][5][6][7] Still in the early Roman period, this Thracian population was dominated by strong Celtic influences or had simply absorbed Celtic ethnic components [3] One of the most recent settlements on Dniester that is associated with Lipitsa culture is in Remezivtsi that existed before the early third century.[8]


The Púchov culture was an archaeological culture named after site of Púchov-Skalka in Slovakia. Its probable bearer was the Celtic Cotini and/or Anartes tribes. It existed in northern and central Slovakia (although it also plausibly spread to the surrounding regions) between the 2nd century BCE and the 1st century CE.

The Púchov culture developed from the Lusatian culture and it was influenced later by the Illyrian culture, the Celts, and by the beginning of the Christian era, the Dacians. Settlements were situated on moderate hill sides and near streams. The largest known religious, economic, and political center of the Púchov culture was the hill-fort of Havránok, famous for its traces of human sacrifice.
As a result of the Dacian and Germanic tribal expansions at the beginning of the Common Era, the Púchov culture and its settlements began to decline, and its bearers were eventually assimilated into Dacian and other migrating tribes.[1]

Some scholars associate the Costoboci with the Lipiţa culture.[25][26] However Roger Batty, reluctant to correlate material culture with group identity, argues that Lipiţa culture belonged either to a subgroup of the Costoboci or to some population they ruled over.[27] This culture developed on the northern side of the Carpathians in the Upper Dniester and Prut basins in the Late La Tène period.[28][29]
The bearers of this culture had a sedentary lifestyle and practiced agriculture, cattle-breeding, iron-working and pottery.[28] The settlements were not fortified and contained sunken floored buildings, surface buildings, storage pits, hearths, ovens and kilns.[28]
There are numerous pottery finds of various types, both wheel and hand-made, with similarities in shape and decoration to the pottery of the pre-Roman Dacia.[28] The pottery finds of the northern Lipiţa sites in the upper Zolota Lypa basin are similar to that of the Zarubintsy culture.[26]The cemeteries were found close to settlements. The predominant funeral rite was cremation, with urns containing ashes buried in plain graves, but several inhumation graves were also excavated.[

The Chernyakhov culture, or Sântana de Mureș culture,[1][2][3] is an archaeological culture that flourished between the 2nd and 5th centuries AD in a wide area of Eastern Europe, specifically in what is now Ukraine, Romania, Moldova and parts of Belarus. The culture is probably the result of a multiethnic cultural mix of the Gothic, Geto-Dacian (including Romanised Daco-Romans), Sarmatian and Slavic populations of the area.[4][5]
Historians such as Paul Reinecke have connected it with a Gothic state of Oium that existed on the banks of Dnieper.
Chernyakhov culture territorially replaced its predecessor Zarubintsy culture. In Ukraine both cultures were discovered by the Austrian-Russian archaeologist from Czechia Vikentiy Khvoyka who conducted numerous excavations around Kiev and its vicinity. Among other archaeologists are Austrian Karel Hadáček from the Eastern Galicia and Ivan Kovac from Transylvania. With the invasion of Huns, the culture declined and was replaced with the Penkovka culture (or culture of Antes people).
Chernyakhov culture is very similar to Wielbark culture which was located closer to the Baltic Sea.

Today, scholars recognize the Chernyakov zone as representing a cultural interaction of a diversity of peoples, but predominantly those who already existed in the region,[21] whether it be the Sarmatians,[9] or the Getae-Dacians (some authors believe that the Getae-Dacians played the leading role in the creation of the culture).[22] Late Antiquity authors often confused the Getae with the Goths, most notably Jordanes, in his Getica. In post-war Europe, the nationalist aspects of pre-war scholarship were repudiated consciously, the barbarian tribes being analyzed as social constructs, rather than timeless and changeless lines of blood kin.[

PS: Pentru a ne cunoste istoria nu trebuie sa-i desconsideram pe unguri, nici sa ne preaslavim sau sa ne ridicam deasupra Romei, nici macar sa ne frecam de istoria Imperiului Roman.
Nu trebuie sa fim mai buni decat germanii si nici altfel decat celtii, ori sa incercam sa ne intrecem cu grecii.

Edited by Infinitty, 13 September 2017 - 10:22.

Unde sunt romanicii sau românii de aici?
Peste tot in toata lumea

Infinitty, on 13 septembrie 2017 - 09:54, said:

sau, invers.

Infinitty, on 13 septembrie 2017 - 09:54, said:

exclus.
https://en.wikipedia...Law_of_identity

Poi da, prin 2025-2035 se pare ca vom intra in disolutie ca stat si ca natiune.

Ideea este ca in 2035 majoritatea tineretului va trăii in afara, in timp ce România va ramane fara populatie, de fapt batranetul nu reprezinta viitorul, nici factor de crestere sau stabilitate demografica.

Vom avea un stat degeaba la discretia oricui.