religia și frica

voi aveti o boala
cine stie mai bine
eu

dark, on 16 octombrie 2016 - 19:54, said:

Nu.
Sunt fochist si-mi place sa ascult Radio Evanghelia unde ma desfat cu cantari precum "Sa rasune cantarea bucuriei" interpretata de inegalabilul cantaret Ovidiu Liteanu.

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a3e6u9, on 16 octombrie 2016 - 07:58, said:

ba da, doar că liniile zebrei sunt de la un peste tot asa vargat... genele astea dom'le... zici că-i patruped şi când-colo e un cal mai special vărgat ca un peşte...

Sfantul Jakob, on 16 octombrie 2016 - 20:58, said:

De fapt, un moș invizibil din cer a învârtit bagheta magică și a creat nuca pentru a-ți arăta câtă minte ai.

Povestea asta e religie fiindcă religia e o poveste.

a3e6u9, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 06:58, said:

Da, dar credința are obiect.

dark, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 08:02, said:

Dar obiectul e imaginar.

a3e6u9, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 08:07, said:

Este unul cât se poate de viu!

dark, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 08:10, said:

Te referi la asta?
VIÁȚĂ, vieți, s. f. 1. Sinteză a proceselor biologice, fizice, chimice, mecanice care caracterizează organismele; faptul de a fi viu; stare a ceea ce este viu.

Dap, și ție trebuie să-ți fie frică de El, e vorba de o teamă reverențioasă! Este Creatorul tău.

dark, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 09:22, said:

Adică moșul ista invizibil din cer are procese biologice, fizice, chimice, mecanice?
Frica nu prea funcționează la mine. Mai bine ascultă-l pe Yoda:

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a3e6u9, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 09:33, said:

Lu' Yoda i s-a ars dioda
E dus rau, sireacu', se poate usor observa.
Uite si tu ce mina a arborat si ce urechi are!

Si asculta-l si ce debiteaza! Cica: "frica genereaza manie".
Poate la extraterestri. La oameni frica declanseaza un mecanism care te face sa fii prudent, sa actionezi cu mare precautie.
De exemplu daca ti-e frica sa mergi in mare viteza pe un drum alunecos, vei adapta viteza conditiilor vitrege de trafic.
Dar nu-mi imaginez cum ar fi ca un om caruia ii este frica de sofatul pe zapada, sa inceapa sa se manie. Ca urmare a fricii.
Omul nostru se manie ca netrebnicii care trebuiau sa curete drumul, dorm, prinsi pe nepregatite (?) de venirea iernii.

a3e6u9, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 09:33, said:

Frica este un mijloc de apărare, lăsat de Dumnezeu. Dacă ești lipsit de frică, pericolul nu înseamnă nimic pentru tine, vei intra în gura leului.

a3e6u9, on 17 octombrie 2016 - 06:58, said:

E corect.
Povestea cu evolutia nucii si cu Brosca Primordiala care s-a transformat in Print..
In religia ateista sunt numite "Basme Stiintifice".

Questioner: By seeing and listening to facts as they are, one may succeed in disentangling oneself from various problems and cations. But behind all this there is still the desire for that permanency which may be called God.
Krishnamurti:...Then there is the question of whether there is anything permanent. Is there anything permanent? What do we mean by permanency? This building will last perhaps a hundred years unless it is destroyed by fire, by a bomb, by this or that. Do we want such permanence psychologically? Do we want the perpetuation of what we are, with all our struggles, with our mediocrity, our pettiness, our despairs, anguish, guilt? You say, "That is only on the surface, we must go beyond it; and going beyond it is to find something permanent". So you project the idea of the soul as being something permanent; you have ideas about heaven, about Jesus, and you believe in God. But is there anything permanent? As one looks into the matter, investigates it, understands it, does one not find that there is nothing permanent, outwardly or inwardly? Biologically you are changing every day, every minute; every seven years your blood undergoes a change. But psychologically, intellectually, you cling to certain ideas, and no bomb can destroy those ideas. You are British, Catholic, or what you will, and that you remain for the rest of your life; nothing can shake it. So that is permanency, is it not? And if that permanency is merely a reaction to contradiction, to conflict, as in fact it is, then what? If everything is actually in flux, in movement, if life is flowing ceaselessly, then how can a mind which has been nurtured on time, on recognition, and which clings to permanency - how can such a mind know the timeless, that which has no limits, no borders, and cannot be recognized?
You see, for those of us who are religious in the conventional sense, God is a permanent entity who exists from everlasting to everlasting. And if we are not religiously inclined, we invent substitutes: the State, an ideology, a utopian something or other. Whether in Moscow or in Rome it is essentially the same thing.
Now, is it not possible psychologically to step out of time and not think in terms of permanency or impermanency? Can one not live in the sense of being so completely attentive, so completely out of time as tomorrow and yesterday, that all the agonies of longing, all the memories and anticipations are dead?
You see, to a very serious problem like this there is no answer as `yes' or `no'. There is only a process of inquiry, which reveals what is true and what is false. That revelation, that perception is much more important than finding an answer. There is no answer to any psychological problem. There are answers to mechanical problems. But a psychological problem you have to investigate, you have to go into it very deeply for yourself; and as you look, as you investigate, as you perceive, the problem disappears. It is no longer a burden, you are out of it. The whole process of thinking as we know it, comes to an end; and then, perhaps, there is something totally new.
Krishnamurti London 3rd Public Talk 10th June 1962

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