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O viziune asupra conflictelor contemporane din Orientul Mijlociu:

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Auzi, si dupa ce planul "iese", vor avea 1 evreu/100 Km2 ?

Eu stiu ca evreii sunt departe de a fi sfinti, dar cred ca sunt depasiti de situatie. Toti suntem, dar e mai usor de crezut ca de vina sunt "forte oculte".

Pana una-alta, Iranul are inca target  principal "eradicarea Israelului", deci planul nu merge prea bine.

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Este vorba în principal de slăbirea statelor din Orientul Mijlociu, prin provocarea de conflicte și divizarea lor. Este clar că Irakul este distrus, Siria distrusă, Libia distrusă. Chiar dacă conflictul s-ar termina astăzi și ar reuși să rămână cu teritoriul și populația intactă, le-ar lua zeci de ani de reconstrucție să ajungă la nivelul economic, militar, tehnic la care erau și la stabilitate politică și socială.

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Clar ca acest "tel" a fost atins, dar vidul de putere creat creaza probleme noi si diverse, foarte greu de "extirpat chirugical".

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View PostAdm, on 10 septembrie 2015 - 10:38, said:

Clar ca acest "tel" a fost atins, dar vidul de putere creat creaza probleme noi si diverse, foarte greu de "extirpat chirugical".

Corect.De asta au si ales metoda refugiatul.

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Eu nu prea ii vad pe evrei facand aceasta miscare pentru ca au o mare problema. Iranul.

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un plan fantasmagoric, Israel depinde de Sua , la 1 saptamana dupa ce acestia isi retrag sprijinul Israel dispare.

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View PostSucre_Bolivar88, on 10 septembrie 2015 - 20:32, said:

un plan fantasmagoric, Israel depinde de Sua , la 1 saptamana dupa ce acestia isi retrag sprijinul Israel dispare.

nu chiar. daca studiezi problema, fara prejudecati, ai sa vezi ca sua a lasat din mana israelul de multe ori, chiar in momente cheie. apoi, sua s'a apucat sa sustina major israelul destul de tarziu, dupa anii 60.
voi treceti cu vederea, dar cel mai important aliat al israelului, strategic vorbind a fost???? cehoslovacia. fara ei, nu vorbeai astazi de israel. mai apoi franta. sua pe atunci punea bete in roata evreilor.
chiar acum, daca nu ma insel, sua si israel nu sunt in termenii cei mai buni.
ca volum, in istoria relativ recenta, da ai ajutor amercan,foarte important, dar sa nu exageram. trebuie sa treci dincilo de propaganda si sa te uiti un pic la evenimente.

Edited by argentum, 11 September 2015 - 00:09.


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Ajutorul dat de SUA e mai mult indirect, prin sustinerea militara a Egiptului, prin alianta cu Arabia Saudita, prin prezenta Turciei in NATO. Ai cele 3 puteri musulmane ale zonei care sunt in sfera de interese americane si, implicit, nu vor apela la conflicte militare impotriva Israelului.

Aberatia cu dorinta Israelului de a se extinde de la Nil la Eufrat nici nu merita dezbatuta. Nici cel mai obsedat rabin din cea mai salbatica suburbie a Ierusalimului poate sa se gandeasca la o asemenea gogomanie.

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View PostSucre_Bolivar88, on 10 septembrie 2015 - 20:32, said:

un plan fantasmagoric, Israel depinde de Sua , la 1 saptamana dupa ce acestia isi retrag sprijinul Israel dispare.

Idem.Cand evreii isi retrag capitalul din SUA,intr-o saptamana acestea intra in colaps ireversibil.

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O explicație amănunțită despre „The Greater Israel” :

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Edited by neur0, 16 September 2015 - 08:54.


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View PostAdm, on 10 septembrie 2015 - 10:17, said:

Auzi, si dupa ce planul "iese", vor avea 1 evreu/100 Km2 ?

Eu stiu ca evreii sunt departe de a fi sfinti, dar cred ca sunt depasiti de situatie. Toti suntem, dar e mai usor de crezut ca de vina sunt "forte oculte".

Pana una-alta, Iranul are inca target  principal "eradicarea Israelului", deci planul nu merge prea bine.

E...Iranuk est5e uintr-un fel ubn adversar ... confortabil...

Prea departe ca s acionteze cu adevarata.
Prea diferit de arabi ca sa se extinda pana la Osaralel
A da.. Fianteaza Hezbiolahu.. neplacut da popa util sa ia si un Hez decat sa fi avut doar un FEP neutru religios ...

Si candva citeam un articol .. in presa franceza. Un iraniana ajuns in Frnata isi amintea d eziele in care lupta sa apere Iranul de Irac.  Si cica dupa ceva actiune s-a apucat s aisi sterga si guiguleasca noua arma .. si a fots curiis sa vada ce scria pe ea "made in Isarael!" ica si-a muscat limba sa nu rada prea tare.. El avea arma nou din Isarel, vabnduta de Osarael statului care lupsta sa "termine cu semitii". Arabii fiind semiti...Da nu genu asta de amtisemitism sucare isaraeleul...
Asa ca daca Iranu declara ca vrea sa stearga Isaraelel... unii dinZahala se uita oe harta :gun dinati trebuie s astearga Iracul .. apoi irmeza Iodania si atunci gtaman bine io s avanme sufucentui arabi de inarmat ptrr Uniunea Semitica care trebuie s aeradice arienii (iaraniweneii) care de la Darius ne0a umilit si calaritpe noi semitiii..

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Mai multe detalii. În ce constă planul și cum a fost pus în practică:

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In 1982, as the Likud Party (which is to say, the institutional incarnation of the Revisionist Zionist belief, first articulated by Jabotinsky in the ”Iron Wall”  that the only way to deal with “the Arabs” in and around Israel was through unrelenting force and the inducement of cultural fragmentation) was consolidating its hold on the foreign policy establishment of Israel, a journalist named Oded Yinon, who had formerly worked at the Israeli Foreign Ministry,  published an article in which he outlined the strategic approach his country needed to take in the coming years.

What follows are some excerpts from Israel Shahak’s English translation of that text:

“Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon….”

“Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi’ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north.”

“If Egypt falls apart, countries like Libya, Sudan, or even the more distant states will not continue to exist in their present form and will join the downfall and dissolution of Egypt.

“There is no chance that Jordan will continue to exist in its present structure for a long time, and Israel’s policy, both in war and in peace, ought to be directed at the liquidation of Jordan under the present regime and the transfer of power to the Palestinian majority.”

Yinon’s vision reappeared in the now infamous “Clean Break” document from 1996, authored by a consortium of US and Israeli "strategic thinkers" that included Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David and Meyrav Wurmser, which was meant to serve as a foreign policy blueprint for the first administration  of Benjamin Netanyahu.

The text is nothing if not obsessive regarding the need to seriously debilitate Syria’s ability to act in any way is a pole of regional influence in the in the area .

“Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.”

“Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite.”

And as Dan Sanchez has recently shown, David Wurmser went into even greater detail about the need to balkanize Israel’s northeastern neighbor in articles published in approximately the same time period, talking quite openly in one essay about “expediting the chaotic collapse“ of Baathist Syria.


Then there is Wesley Clark’s famous interview, given in 2007, in which he revealed the true strategic aims of those running US foreign policy in the wake of the September 11th attacks.  In it, he tells of a conversation he had at that time with a Pentagon official who admitted that the real plan was “to attack and destroy the governments in seven countries in five years”.

Those countries, according to Clark, were: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iraq. In the same speech, he explicitly ties the hatching of the plan to Richard Perle, head of the cadre of people who wrote in the “Clean Break” document of the paramount importance of putting Israel in position to “shape its strategic environment”.

On September 5th, 2013, Alon Pinkas, the former Israeli Consul General in New York and well-connected member of Tel Aviv’s conservative policy elite described the Syrian conflict in the following terms in the New York Times:

“This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don’t want one to win – we’ll settle for a tie,….Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there’s no real threat from Syria.”

I don’t think it can get much clearer than that. The US-Israeli plan in Syria has never been about helping anyone in that country, but rather insuring its effective dismemberment so as to further the perceived “strategic interests” of the Jewish state.

As Tomás Alcoverro, the longtime Mideast correspondent of Barcelona’s La Vanguardia newspaper wrote on 9 October 2015, in reference to the combined Russian and Syrian government attacks carried out during the previous week: “If this joint offensive is successful, the US plan for continuing the war of attrition until both sides are exhausted will lie in ruins”.  

Yes, the US and Israelis, have been “faking it” in Syria for a good long time now.  And Putin has come along and called their bluff.


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View PostAdm, on 10 septembrie 2015 - 10:17, said:

Auzi, si dupa ce planul "iese", vor avea 1 evreu/100 Km2 ?

Eu stiu ca evreii sunt departe de a fi sfinti, dar cred ca sunt depasiti de situatie. Toti suntem, dar e mai usor de crezut ca de vina sunt "forte oculte".

Pana una-alta, Iranul are inca target  principal "eradicarea Israelului", deci planul nu merge prea bine.
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View Postargentum, on 11 septembrie 2015 - 00:08, said:

voi treceti cu vederea, dar cel mai important aliat al israelului, strategic vorbind a fost???? cehoslovacia. fara ei, nu vorbeai astazi de israel. mai apoi franta. sua pe atunci punea bete in roata evreilor.

Pfff... Cehoslovacia. Crema puca.
Cred ca ai vrut sa spui URSS. Cehoslovacia nu era de capul ei.
In plus URSS avea drept de veto in Consiliul de Securitate...

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