Prometheus (2012)

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Arata...EPIC!  

Ideea in mare este luata din Event Horizon din anul 1997....nava care prinde viata dupa ce calatoreste in alta dimensiune, si isi kilareste echipajul.

Si eu sunt tare curios cum va fi filmul, Event Horizon mi-a placut la vremea lui, sper ca asta sa fie la fel de bun pentru aceasta perioada...de-abia astept sa il vad.

Maine 07.06.2012. are loc avanpremierea mult asteptatului Prometheus si la cinema(mall-ul)din orasul meu (si Nu numai)filmul se anunta a fi 3D si un bilet (daca intereseaza) costa 21 lei. Prequel= o lucrare care completeazã o altã lucrare realizatã anterior-  în care acþiunea are loc înainte de povestea originalã. ...Alien din 1979 cu Siguorney Weaver a fost clasificat  de catre American Films Institute ca fiind  pe locul sapte in topul fimelor SF si pe locul 33 in clasamentul movie of all time.Premiera a avut loc pe 31 mai la Londra la  Empire Cinema ...asteptarile fata de acest film fiind foarte mari din toate punctele de vedere(spre exemplu rezervarile la premiera au fost depasite doar de  Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 si Avatar.In unele tari din Europa(Franta,Suedia) in Rusia  premiera a avut loc mai devreme pentru a nu se suprapune cu startul Campionatului European de Fotbal etc. Mai multe despre cum a fost primit filmul aici :
http://www.guardian....tt-review-alien

http://screenrant.co...ws-benk-175781/

eu am luat bilet pentru maine seara.

sunt un pic dezumflat ca pe imdb lumea pare dezamagita. nu de efecte & shit...cat de poveste care pare a fi un pic neverosimila...

daca e adevarata varianta cu scenariu gen Event Horizon, e de cacao.

borreddog, on 7th June 2012, 11:52, said:

Cam asta e patternul Hollywoodului din ultima vreme...efecte speciale extraordinare, dar povestea slaba. Probabil ca Avatar a setat trendul!

l-am vazut....

n-are legatura cu ce spune (abereaza) cuculea mai sus.

realizare cinematografica: beton. ramai ca la cinema.

intr-adevar astptarile erau mari, nu se ridica, dar nu l-as pune nici departe de ele pentru ca mie mi-a placut. daca vrei sa cauti chichite si detalii care nu se potrivesc - gasesti - filmul sigur nu merge la Oscar. eu unul il recomand. din pacate cei care nu au vazut restul seriei nu prea inteleg care-i faza cu "space jockey" pentru ca aici avem parte la greu de el / ei.

parca personajele sunt prea detasate de actiune...sa fie taiat pentru a fi mai scurt?

oricum, umple partial golul pana la "Alien".

per total, mergeti sa-l vedeti...si nu e horror.

Edited by borreddog, 09 June 2012 - 00:53.

Nu imi vine sa cred ce dreptate a avut badsica !!!

badsica, on 25th December 2011, 13:16, said:

L-am vazut si eu insa consider ca au fost niste 21 RON cheltuiti aiurea !
Numai efectele speciale sunt ceva de capu' lor, insa povestea e total paralela, ilogica, stupida etc.
Mai bine cumparati ceva prietenei sau copiilor de banii biletului, ca filmul e o mare dezamagire  

p.s.:
sa va mai spun despre (cam) ce e vorba-n film ?

Interioarele aduc cu cele din primul film, noutatea consta doar in proiectiile holografice combinate cu ecrane clasice, iar interiorul navei extraterestre a fost cel original din 1979, ca nu s-or fi apucat sa recreeze altul identic.

Prea multe nu au spus, ce era cu rasa aia umanoida, cum a ajuns pe planeta nava de cercetare sau cargou (ce avea aia in cala...); povestea este asemanatoare cu primul Alien, descopera nava extraterestra si sunt la un pas sa si-o ia, insa acum pe Prometeu era insusi fondatorul companiei Weyland Yutani - asta cred ca stia ceva de la inceput de rasa respectiva si forma de viata si potentialul ei.
Ar fi trebuit sa ne spuna povestea din viziunea extraterstra - la inceput e ceva cu un disc care provoaca un dezastru dupa care se trece la pamanteni.

Dupa cum s-a desfacut la sfarsit pamantul acolo era o baza, iar nava era acolo ca sa tina in siguranta ce se afla la bordul ei - de unde veneau alea? Oamenii lasa impresia ca stiau sa umble cu sistemele "covrigului" extraterestru.

Saltul asa zis cronologic la ce se intampla in Alien pune intrebari - aici dau peste urne din aliaj pline cu fiole in timp ce echipajul lui Nostromo da numai de coconi si acelasi echipaj nu gaseste pe sol urme de explozii si resturi din alte nave pamantene.
Si, se foloseste de clisee din serie - androizi - Ash si Bishop din primele 2 filme, incursiunea din sectiunea detasata duce cu gandul la unitatea de salvare prabusita pe Fiorina 161, in colonia penitenciara (alienul fara nume si-a facut copios mendrele pe acolo )

Plus ca pe Alien l-au imperecheat cu Predator ca sa vada ce iese in vreo 2 filme
Dupa acest prequel - in care ne spune chipurile ce e cu nava aia, ar trebui sa urmeze continuarea povestii din Alien Resurrection - circula niste "trailere" pe net dar nu stiu daca este asa ceva in proiect.

La partea cu efecte speciale ok, frumos nu ai ce sa ii zici , dar povestea e destul plictisitoare,  in afara de 4-5 "faze mai tari" nimic, in primele 20 de minute imi venea sa imi tai venele de plictiseala. Per total un film bun, la cat de asteptat a fost a dezamagit , dar NU merita 20 ron pentru cinema.

Isi bate joc de serie, aparitiile extraterestre erau doar o incurcatura de tentacule, care nu avea nimic in comun cu alienul cunoscut, mai "dragut" era puietul ala (ce zambet de bun venit...   ), asta pana in momentul cand a interactionat cu vizitatorii.
Sa inteleg ca lucrul ala dupa ce si-a facut treaba cu umanoidul extraterestru s-a dus frumos in nava extraterestra sa lase oua?
Nu mai stiu in care film se spunea ca nava fie transporta ouale fie a fost infestata pe drum de specia extraterestra si s-a prabusit pe planeta. Daca e asa, cine a setat mesajul de avertizare pe care Nostromo l-a perceput ca a fi SOS (pentru ca extraterestrul a fost facut praf in modulul medical de pe Prometeus
Nici compania Weyland Yutani nu e straina de subiect, ca ii tot trimitea la fix, dar fara sa le spuna despre ce este vorba. In Alien Compania W-Y a trimis cu buna stiinta echipajul unui cargou-rafinarie pe planeta, "ca sa vada ce e acolo" - voiau sa exploateze dpdv militar acea creatura cu acid in loc de sange si de aceea faceau tot posibilul sa obtina o mostra cat de mica, macar de ADN extraterestru.
In Aiien Resurrection au fost la un pas sa infesteze Pamantul cu chestia aia, dar nu e prea tarziu pentru continuare. Au crezut ca le merge ca la Star Wars cu povestea de dinainte (acolo se pare ca a fost planuit cu prequel, dar au decis sa marga in continuare cu partea mai incitanta a povestii, deja conturata).
Si trecerea de la Alien 3 la 4 e putin ambigua - Ripley se arunca in furnal dar intre timp apare si echipa de recuperare ce reuseste prin nu stiu ce mijloace sa o recreeze genetic, cu ADN hibrid.

povestea din Prometheus (LV 223) nu are loc pe planeta din Alien (LV 426)...

intre cele doua filme povestea e intrerupta, de-aia MULTE chestii nu se leaga...

Edited by borreddog, 11 June 2012 - 21:16.

Un morman mare de rahat turcesc (da, ala cu arome fructico-florale)
+
o palma mare peste el.
=
Prometheus
.  (da. asta mic din stanga este un PUNCT)

eu nu cred ca poate cineva dintre noi, CA OAMENI , sa spuna ca Ridley Scott s-a tampit...


exista niste explicatii despre acest film, care par sa se lege. copy-paste mai jos pentru tabloul de ansamblu.


This was taken from a comment I saw on another site, and I did a little research and everything seems to check out! :

To give some historical/mythological background that may shed some light, Ridley stated the SJ culture was based on Persian Myths. This would be Sumerian/Akkadian/Hindu. This is all taken from the Atra Hasis.

Creators - "G"ods- Annunaki - Dragon Humanoids (Naga, Dragon Kings,)

Helpers - "g"ods - Igigi - Engineers. (Android like living beings....BIOmechanical humanoid. Key features- Pale skin and large black eyes. Also known as watchers, Grigori, and Archons) (in many summerian texts they are actually referred to as "Pilots". Pretty much the Annunaki Air Force.)

When the Annunaki began terraforming the earth, they had the Igigi do the work for them. After a few thousand years the Igigi revolted and went on strike. The Annunaki then decided to create humans to do the work for them.

They sacrificed one of the rebel Igigi named Geshtu to use his blood and dna to make human beings, by mixing it with elements native to the earth.

(In the movie, this can be explained by the the different oval spaceship at the beginning representing the spaceship of the Annunaki)

(It can also be explained by the concept art that leaked from the official book this week)

(According to wikipedia it also says this about the Igigi: "Though sometimes synonymous with the term "Annunaki," in one myth the Igigi were the younger gods who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans." )

Even though the humans were created and did the work, 1/3 of the Igigi still werent satisfied and sought revenge for Geshtu, so they rebelled again against the Annunaki Lords and began breeding/mixing with the human females creating Nephelim. This is what sparked the Prime Lord Enlil to flood the earth. Some humans were saved by Enki, the Lord responsible for the sacrifice of Geshtu and the creation of humans. Enlil and the rest of the annunaki decide to return home and let the humans develop on their own. Enki and his family stay behind. The Igigi are forced to leave earth as well. The remaining rebel Igigi are imprisoned on a planet on the way back to the homeworld and it is said as punishment and as a mark they are altered into a demonic appearance, no longer retaining the Angelic appearance.

Enki and his crew are probably the ones leaving the maps for humans to find, along with the ones helping humans advance throughout time.

The sacrfice engineer is Geshtu

The lone engineer is most likely Marduk or a servant/worshipper of Marduk.

The xeno is Mushussu, a creature Marduk fashioned and used as his pet.

The "Engineers" we see are trying to destroy Earth are of the Igigi rebels who view earth as their own. They have always despised humans because the Annunaki saw us as more in their likeness than them. IT's possible that the Igigi have long since destroyed or taken over the annunaki and the homeworld, and Earth was like going to claim the prize or spoils.

They mustve used to the Xeno's to win this war and through its perfection it has began to destroy and infect the Igigi who manufacture and transport it, creating more Mushussu.

the xeno in Alien is most likely an older pilot igigi birthed Mushussu egg crossed with human or a future Annunaki birthed one which would explain the size difference in hosts.

It is mentioned in several lesser stories that Marduk created the Mushussu out of using the essence of the Gods' (Annunaki) he killed as a symbol of his conquering and being able to control them...





posibile explicatii pentru intriga:



After David opened the chamber door, he atmosphericly compromised the room?s air which had been sealed for around 2000 years (we know this because they carbon dated the headless body by about 2000 years). Fresh air caused the murals on the wall to degrade and the temperature difference of the fresh air caused the canisters to sweat, like when you put ice in a glass of water. This also had an effect on the biological liquids in the canisters, causing them to start expanding (liquids can expand when the temperature radically canges).
When David first walks into the chamber, we see (although none of the crew notice) that he disturbs some form of larvae on the ground (they come up from under the ground after he steps on it). These are most likely left over from the space jockey head left in the room (these may also be what causes the head to explode later during the examination, but that?s a whole other topic). The black liquid in the canisters is a bio weapon, from what I understood in the murals we saw in the walls, the main one showed the alien xenomorph at it?s centre, suggesting that the biological black liquid is designed to grow into the alien xenomorph ? each canister when activated will become one alien drone, most likely a soldier that can NOT reproduce (otherwise there would be no way to control them once the space jockeys have unleashed them on their target, the xenomorph would NOT be capable of implanting an embryo in another being). The black liquid though, because it does create a living organism from nothing, would have to contain some kind of advanced steroid that affects biological matter in order to create a life form.

When the black liquid pools on the ground, the larvae we saw on the ground began to bathe in it and feed on it. As a result, it bioformed them as it?s capable of doing, the end result being an agressive more advanced worm creature, the creatures encountered by Fifield and Millburn. When the creature sprays acid on Fifield?s helmet it begins to melt it. Fifield then falls into the black liquid, but when he stands the helmet has been melted enough that it collapses inwards. The mixture of melted helmet and the black liquid burns into his face, causing him to pass out, falling face first into the black liquid, where it begins to biologically change him as it did the larvae worms.

Meanwhile, Holloway, who has ingested a single drop of the black liquid, has been undergoing internal changes. As he ingested it, and only in a small amount, his change has taken more time, working more subtly, changing his internal organs first including his reproductive system. Because of this, and unawares to either of them, he impregnates Shaw with an embryo that is human based, but has been part changed by the black liquid. Holloway begins to suffer radical changes with the black liquid changing him into a xenomorph drone. He?s not as far along as Fifield when we last see him, and his behavour and mind has not been changed yet when he sacrifices himself.

The real surprise is that because the creature that Shaw gives birth to is a hybrid of human and xenomorph genetics, it contains all of the genetic traits of the xenomorphs, intelligence, aggression, but it now also contains in some form, a reproductive system, meaning that it is able to implant an embryo in a being (as we see at the movie?s end), which it will take traits from and evolve into the xenomorph we know.

Edited by borreddog, 12 June 2012 - 18:05.

Sunt prea multe comentarii negative ca sa-l vad, desi imi doream. Trecand peste asta, am o intrebare: a lasat loc si pentru (un fel de) partea a doua ?

a lasat o groaza de loc pentru multe continuari...cred ca va fi o trilogie...parca asa vazusem pe undeva.

povestea cu xenomorphul cred ca va trece in plan secundar...arata cum s-a dezvoltat prin diverse mutatii, fiind la baza o arma biologica...dar nu cred ca il mai vedem in forma in care il stiam din seria Alien.

toata actiunea din Prometheus se desfasoara pe o alta planeta decat cea din Alien. singura legatura dintre cele 2 filme este rasa de Engineers, iar ce s-a intamplat pe planeta din Alien tot nu este explicat...

Din cate am citit despre subiect , initial filmul se vroia un prequel al Alien. Dupa care regizorul s-a razgandit si a facut filmul stand alone, fara sa incerce sa explice actiunea din Aliens 1,2,3,4. Singura legatura sa zic asa e ca se petrece in acelasi univers ca si cel din Aliens. Deocamdata nu l-am vazut dar cred ca se merita.

borreddog, on 9th June 2012, 01:52, said:

Eu m-am luat stric dupa trailer....asa mi s-a parut...nava care prinde viata ......imi cer scuze pentru aberatia mea, dar asa am avut impresia , ca subiectul are legatura cu vechiul Eavent Horizon

Imi cer scuze icna odata pentru informatiile gresite pe care le-am dat, dar si eu am fost indus in "oroare"