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13YTe

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Conform comunicatului postat pe blogul Linux Mint (aici) se doreste depasirea celor de la Canonical prin introducerea si folosirea tehnologiilor MGSE si MATE ce vor aduce GNOME 3 aproape de aspectul si functionalitatea versiunii 2.32.
Proiectul este in derulare si conform celor de la Linux Mint pana pe data de 11.11.2011 ar trebui sa apara si o varianta RC pentru varianta 12 ce o sa integreze atat MGSE cat si MATE pe platforma GNOME 3.
Mai jos iata un desktop dotat cu tehnologia/meniul MGSE.
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Considerati ca este un regres sau un progres dezvoltarea celor 2 variante care sunt menite sa pastreze modul in care faceam lucrurile pe GNOME 2 acum cand GNOME 3 a inceput sa se impuna in majoritatea distributiilor consacrate?
Au sanse de succes cei de la Mint pentru a castiga pozitia mult ravnita, locul 1, pe piata desktop-urilor dotate cu distributii Linux si locul 3 ca sistem de operare dupa Windows si MacOS?
Va propun sa discutam aici despre ceea ce ar putea deveni mint daca proiectul lor o sa integreze funtionalitatea vechiului GNOME dar si flexibilitatea versiunii 3.

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Lisa acuma ii zice ?
Din cate vad cei de la Ubuntu ii baga nume de sobolani iar astia de la Linux Mint ii baga nume de bagaboante !  :roflmaofast:

Edited by Krisler12, 07 November 2011 - 14:38.


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@13YTe pe termen scurt ii va ajuta strategia asta, pe termen lung.
@Krisler12 astept ziua cand o sa postezi si tu ceva inteligent.
Ca de facut caterinca si postari de prost gust am vazut ca esti in stare.

Edited by Fratello_2007, 07 November 2011 - 14:48.


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Gnome3 + extensii = cea mai buna alegere care o puteau face.

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Inutil să ai meniu jos si activities sus.
Dacă se lansează cu tema default gnome 3, e doar o altă distribuție cu 3 extensii preinstalate.Aceleași șanse la locul I le are si Fedora.
Cat despre "MATE",nimic interesant,ultima versiune de xfce bate gnome 2 din orice punct de vedere.

Edited by Gh3r0m, 07 November 2011 - 15:49.


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Daca bara de activities dispare din Top si pe langa adauga niste unelte de configurare in Mint Menu multi nici nu vor simti diferenta intre Gnome 2 si 3.
In plus daca e sa ne uitam la cum au crescut cei de la Mint de cand Ubuntu a inclus Unity ca interfata standard, clar e ca multi dintre utilizatorii Canonical vor migra spre Linux Mint, deoarece le va fi oferita o varianta ca sa pastreze aceleasi pachete ce le sunt cunoscute, interfata prietenoasa si totusi vor fi in tendinta cu noile tehnologii.
Cred ca sunt sanse bune sa-si atinga scopul cei de la Linux Mint, undeva in subsolul paginii este mentionata si metoda in care se vor finanta de acum inainte, ceea ce denota iar o miscare inteligenta practic isi vor asigura banii nu din donatiile binevoitorilor cum era pana acum ci din cautarile utilizatorilor sai pe net.
Fedora, da e posibil sa fie urmatoarea alegere a multor utilizatori, inclusiv eu stau pe ganduri, momentan nu m-am decis, dar sunt tentat ca maine sa-mi instalez noul Fedora 16 Verne, insa am o strangere de inima nu sunt foarte familiarizat cu modul de impachetare rpm, asta nu inseamna ca nu sunt deschis spre a invata.

Edited by 13YTe, 07 November 2011 - 17:28.


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Sper ca in noul Mint sa nu mai dea eroarea la pornire in legatura cu unele aplete care nu se pot incarca. Ba nu avea ceasul, ba sensors.

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 lucifer76, on 7th November 2011, 18:04, said:

Sper ca in noul Mint sa nu mai dea eroarea la pornire in legatura cu unele aplete care nu se pot incarca. Ba nu avea ceasul, ba sensors.
si io credeam ca mi se pare mie :naughty:

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Cind apare versiunea finala o sa il instalez si daca o sa imi placa va ramane !
Momentan inca folosesc Ubuntu 11.04 cu gnome classic !

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Nu inteleg de ce trebuie sa ramai la Gnome 2?
De ce sa ramai la Gnome 2 cand Gnome 3 poate fi aranjat astfel incat sa arate ca un Gnome 2?
Ce vor face cand toate aplicatiile existente vor migra la gnome 3?
E drept momentan gnome 3 nu e la fel de configurabil, dar ce se vor face cand gnome 3 va fi cel putin la fel de configurabil ca si gnome 2?
Personal nu imi place varza, sau mancarea din varza.
Vad ca lor le place foarte tare varza, pt. ca amesteca parti din gnome2 cu parti din gnome 3.
Din astea doua unul va fi mai putin suportat, iar multe aplicatii vor face gat la o astfel de combinatie.

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Eu ziceam ca o sa instalez Mint 12 si daca o sa imi placa va ramane instalat pe calculator, adica voi trece de la Ubuntu 11.04 la mint 12 ! Asta am vrut sa spun, scuze daca am fost neinteligibil !
Din ce am priceput eu MGSE-ul (Mint GNOME Shell Extensions) ala e gnome 3 facut sa arate ca si gnome 2, nu e gnome 2 ! Corect ?

Nu ma intereseaza prea mult ce e sub interfata grafica, ma intereseaza sa o pot configura cum imi place mie si sa fie stabila !

Edited by kodiak, 07 November 2011 - 21:16.


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E clar că deja a apărut clubul nostalgicilor Gnome2, ăla al nostalgicilor Kde3.5 nu ajungea...  :wallbash:  Aștept cu nerăbdare riposta uindozaurilor iubitori de 95.  :cursing:

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@kodiak
Eu vorbeam la modul general, nu comentam postul tau.
Si e doar parerea mea.
Personal nu as combina gtk-urile si aplicatii pe gtk2 cu aplicatii pe gtk3.
Din ce am citit eu ei vor combila gtk2 cu gtk3.

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Vom vedea ce o iesi !

Apropo de ce zice shogun1 cu clubul nostalgicilor  :D , uite ce zice altcineva pe distrowatch :

"Disunity

Please accept my resignation. I don't care to belong to any club that will have people like me as a member. (Groucho Marx)


* * * * *
My name is Robert, and I'm a distroholic. For the longest time, I was in denial. But as any AA member will tell you, the first step to dealing with an addiction is to know you have one. And to admit it publicly. Which is why I am here today.

What a long, strange trip it has been, ever since that fateful day in 1998 when I installed SUSE Linux. I remained loyal to her for all of six months. But soon I was having an affair with Red Hat. And then I found Slackware. I had a long and satisfying fling with Libranet, now sadly deceased. Then, in despair, I embraced FreeBSD and OpenBSD, only to abandon both of them for Debian. I'm sure there were others, but I've forgotten their names.

And suddenly, in 2005, stability came into my life, when I first put a free "ShipIt" disk from Canonical into my CD drive and rebooted. Yes, the first one was free, but soon I was hooked. My friends tried to warn me: "Don't be seduced just because she's easy," they said. But I wouldn't listen. "It's got a graphical installer!" I exclaimed. "And my mouse just works, without having to manually edit file /etc/X11/XF86Config!" I was in love.

My tryst with Ubuntu lasted over five years. But the relationship - often rocky at times - began to sour. And when Oneiric arrived last month, I knew it was over.

I cried - at least they said I did - when I recently booted a Debian disk, typed mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1, hit enter, and watched my Ubuntu installation disappear in a digital puff of smoke. Gone, but not forgotten.


Unity: Ubuntu's Waterloo?

OK, before someone tells me to put a sock in it, I'll cut the crap and get to the point. I'd been having issues with Ubuntu for a long time, but still remained loyal. I figured that these travails would eventually be worked out, and besides, the competition wasn't any better. However, the seriously misnamed "Unity" was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Now yes, I know, Unity is not required to run Ubuntu. Indeed, I was one of the loudest voices proclaiming to Unity-haters that they could simply go with GNOME-Shell, or Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu. Not to mention that aside from the official *buntu interfaces, buried within the bowels of the repositories are numerous other worthy desktop environments: IceWM, Enlightenment-17, FVWM-Crystal, Fluxbox, or for the truly hardcore, Ratpoison (thus named because it kills your mouse). So really, if you don't like the look of Unity, the solution is just an "apt-get install my-favorite-desktop" away. Right?

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The biggest problem with Unity is not that it has become the new Ubuntu default desktop. The problem is that Unity development seems to be sucking up Canonical's resources, to the detriment of everything else. Bugs have been creeping into Ubuntu, and they are not getting fixed because the developers apparently have no time. Over the years I have reported a number of bugs myself on the Launchpad web site, and in the beginning I recall that developers were very prompt to examine the reports and come up with solutions. I was quite surprised, and pleased, the first time I reported a bug and received a polite email from an Ubuntu developer the next day asking for more details. I replied, and within a week the bug was fixed.

But that was then and this is now. More recently, bug reports have sat in the overworked developers' inboxes for months while numerous users add additional comments saying how they too have run into the same issue. Occasionally, these bugs are real show-stoppers - everything from an inability to get online to frequent system lock-ups. Many serious bugs are now officially "triaged," which means that the developers will get to it if and when they can, but don't hold your breath waiting.

Perhaps it would be worth putting up with the bugs if Unity was the greatest thing since sliced bread - something wonderful that is going to revolutionize desktop computing. But it's not. I tried Unity, and it's kind of cute, but nothing to write home about. If it vanished from the face of the Earth, I wouldn't particularly miss it. Perhaps it will be of some value in the future if someone manufactures an Ubuntu Pad (uPad?), but for now I just want something that works well on my conventional computer. And Ubuntu is no longer stable or fast enough to fit my needs.


Where do we go from here?

I started out this rambling essay saying how I am (was) a "distroholic." That is to say, my early days of Linux Geekdom were spent jumping from distro to distro. Ubuntu gave me stability for five years, but now I am back to distro-hopping again. I am actually enjoying this experiment, and seeing how many quality distros now exist, I feel a bit like a kid in a candy store. I have three computers in my possession, each one running something different. Two of the three are Debian-based (AntiX and Linux Mint "Debian"), while the other (Salix) comes from the Slackware universe. I haven't yet bothered to set up any of my machines to double (or triple) boot, but that's a possibility too. So maybe by next week I'll be playing with six distros, or nine.

I view this as a competition. And may the best distro win."

Edited by kodiak, 07 November 2011 - 21:51.


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Ete scârța,nu mai ninge anu ăsta din cauză că nu-i place lu Vasile ăla unity si evolutia linux.

In general utilizatorii "bătrâni" linux au o problema cu unity,nu cei noi.
Ca să fie clar și să să nu se mai spameze mesaje cu ubuntu/unity aici: Canonical nu va renunța la unity.

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Eu nu am probleme cu Unity, am probleme cu modul de abordare gen keyrings si no password.
Cum poti distruge un OS folosind chesti pt. a aduce dobitocii pe un OS destul de flexibil si puternic.
Nu tu root, dupa ce ai tastat prima data parola ai acces pe oriunde prin sistem fara sa te mai intrebe nimic.
Chiar daca tastezi parola in consola apoi vrei sa deschizi Ubuntu software center, nu te va mai intreba nici de D-zeu.
Si asta imi da un gust amar aducandu-mi aminte de un alt OS.
Un OS facut pt. mase si nu pt. server.

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Eu totusi nu m-am prins de ce e nevoie de 2 bare, si sus si jos. Una e arhisuficienta, pentru ca e enervant sa vad ceasul si programele dun systray intr=o bara, iar programele deschise in alta.

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 lucifer76, on 8th November 2011, 07:25, said:

Eu totusi nu m-am prins de ce e nevoie de 2 bare, si sus si jos. Una e arhisuficienta, pentru ca e enervant sa vad ceasul si programele dun systray intr=o bara, iar programele deschise in alta.

Elimina bara de jos, adauga in bara de sus task manager si gata... Pe urma pozitioneaz-o pe desktop in ce pozitie vrei.

Edited by shogun1, 08 November 2011 - 08:44.


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