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Și dacă industria europeana s-ar reloca în SUA?

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Over the past five decades, there has been a steady deindustrialization of the United States. In the 1960s, 40 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) came from manufacturing. Today, manufacturing is a paltry 12 percent of the GDP.

https://www.american...ut-u-s-at-risk/

Și la dez industializare tot americanii au dat tonul. Europa e pe locul 2. In Jermania industria e 23% din GDP, dublu fata de America.

UE in ansamblu e la 25%. Iar 25% din 17 triliarde e mai mult decât 12% din 22 triliarde.

Edited by KiloW, 05 October 2022 - 16:21.


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 Flat, on 05 octombrie 2022 - 16:06, said:

Petreceri
Cel mai bun sistem social

Ah ok deci prostii irelevante.
Got it.

Cel mai bun sistem social o sa se finanteze din...ah da, biti in calculatoare, right.

Edited by shefu_de_combinat, 05 October 2022 - 17:05.


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 shefu_de_combinat, on 04 octombrie 2022 - 23:37, said:

Not really.
Si in materie de securitate energetica SUA sta incomparabil mai bine decat UE.
Pentru ca SUA are propriile resurse, nu sta sa importe petrol si gaz de la toti dictatorii.

Apropo ed asta, si noi am putea sta bine macar pe partea de gaz, daca am exploata zacamintele alea de gaze din Marea Neagra. Dar, vorba lu' De De Te Ve: sunt interese mari la mijloc.

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 pufonel, on 05 octombrie 2022 - 20:25, said:

Pentru ca SUA are propriile resurse, nu sta sa importe petrol si gaz de la toti dictatorii.

Si UE are propriile resurse. Nu cat SUA, da' are. Alege sa le tina in pamant. Subliniez: alege.

Majoritatea dificultatilor noastre energetice de azi sunt din cauza alegerilor catastrofale facute in ultimii 20 de ani. Da, si din cauza rusilor, da' si tu daca ai fi Putin iti garantez ca n-ai rata ocazia de a strange de oua un adversar atat de incompetent daca ai avea ocazia. E foarte important sa nu uitam ca acest organism birocratic a avut nevoie de doi ani pentru a decide in comitete si comisii daca energia nucleara e sau nu verde.

Edited by shefu_de_combinat, 05 October 2022 - 21:08.


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Nici polonia, care e antirusa pro americana ,care are cele mai mari rezerve nedovedite de gaze de sist conform unui desen pe care l-ai pus, nu le-a exploatat. Au preferat polacii sa isi faca terminale de gaz lichefiat si conducta cu norvegia. Oare de ce?

Edited by elef, 06 October 2022 - 08:37.


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 Flat, on 05 octombrie 2022 - 16:06, said:

Cultură
Petreceri
Cel mai bun sistem social
La vita e bella


hm ... ma Flat mai e o chestie .. cum s-a zis la un divort  partea ne#####ă "geaba ai vointa daca nu ai putirinta" ... oti infdustria este exact sa poti sa .....

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Beaucoup de gens ne le voient pas, pensant que la force de la science et de la technologie américaines peuvent leur permettre de tout faire. La puissance scientifique et technologique des États-Unis est effectivement importante, mais si la recherche et le développement ne peuvent pas être convertis en produits à grande échelle, cela équivaut en fait à se décerner un diplôme de puissance technologique et scientifique sans résoudre le problème. Par exemple, aux États-Unis, la détection des acides nucléiques du nouveau coronavirus permettrait de moderniser six générations d’équipement médical, et d’instruments qui sont plus perfectionnés de génération en génération. On peut donc constater que la puissance scientifique et technologique des États-Unis est effectivement avancée, mais combien de ces appareils peuvent-ils produire ? Cet équipement peut-il être utilisé par les Américains ? Même si le matériel de test est très avancé, qu’en est-il du système médical ? Pour détecter ces patients, s’il n’y a pas assez de matériel médical et pas assez de ventilateurs, le problème ne peut être résolu et des milliers de personnes devront mourir.

À cette occasion, la société américaine Medtronic a complètement violé ses droits de propriété intellectuelle pour leur respirateur et a laissé d’autres pays le produire, notamment la Chine. Pourquoi ? Est-ce parce que les considérations humaines et morales ont prévalu dans ce cas ? Je ne nie pas qu’il y ait une telle possibilité, mais ce qui est plus important c’est que les Américains n’ont pas la capacité de produire de respirateurs dont ils possèdent les brevets. Sur 1 400 pièces du ventilateur, plus de 1 100 doivent être produites en Chine, y compris l’assemblage final. C’est le problème des États-Unis aujourd’hui. Ils disposent d’une technologie de pointe, mais n’ont pas de méthodes et de capacité de production, ils doivent donc s’appuyer sur la production chinoise.

https://www.revuecon...laurent-gayard/


Deci asa .... era o urgenta mondiala , adica ocazie de OCAZIE, insa ala cu patentau nu putea .. asa ca ....

Ba multi va credeti "inteligenti"  si credeti ca e simplu cu banii - ii tiparesti si gata! Ca daca iti cumperi un Poesache 911 si platesti un TVA ..... ametitor gata nu mai este nevoie de ala care produce .. ca titru e3 sa cumperi si sa vainzi si sa organizezier petreceri... scumpe.

Bun sa zicem petrecere - se aduna niste jmecheri cu niste bunaciuni si fac petrecere... Da...
Da beau apa de la robinet? Nu ... ci bauturi fine ... gusta niste fineturi ce costa enorm.. samd. NUma TVA ul pe4 bautura face cat este pensia minima pe un an ...

Da vezi tu ... toata luxura asta se bazeaza nu pe banii lor multi ci pe chestia ca altii [producv sominu fume, bauturile alea de 2000 euroi sticla ... haonele de pe ei.. Fara productie jmecheii aia nnu ar ave4a nici apa la robinet .....

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 elef, on 06 octombrie 2022 - 08:37, said:

Nici polonia, care e antirusa pro americana ,care are cele mai mari rezerve nedovedite de gaze de sist conform unui desen pe care l-ai pus, nu le-a exploatat. Au preferat polacii sa isi faca terminale de gaz lichefiat si conducta cu norvegia. Oare de ce?

Rezerva ......
Doua moduri de gandire :
- Acum! Imediat!!!
- Sa avem si la anu ....

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Rezerva e buna in Polonia, dar in intreaga UE nu e:)

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 elef, on 06 octombrie 2022 - 08:37, said:

Nici polonia, care e antirusa pro americana ,care are cele mai mari rezerve nedovedite de gaze de sist conform unui desen pe care l-ai pus, nu le-a exploatat. Au preferat polacii sa isi faca terminale de gaz lichefiat si conducta cu norvegia. Oare de ce?

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Poland

While Poland was an initial frontrunner for unconventional gas drilling in Europe, actual prospects for fracking have dwindled after a series of failed test drills and major companies ultimately backing out as a result [85]. Shale gas was initially presented as a great economic opportunity that could generate new jobs, increase state revenue, and improve market competition [84]. Energy professionals emphasized the prospect of producing cheaper natural gas, while state-owned companies saw the opportunity to further develop their expertise and technology.

Shale was also discussed through the lens of national security. Representatives of the Polish business community expressed concern over Russia’s past use of energy as a foreign policy tool. Poland produces one-third of its natural gas domestically, while the rest is exclusively imported from Russia [86]. Shale gas was considered to be an essential tool in their attempt to attain energy independence. Predictably, environmental organizations have been less enthusiastic, warning about the side effects of hydraulic fracturing [86]. In time, the civil society grew to be especially critical of drilling, citing groundwater contamination and damage to natural habitats as undesirable consequences [87].

Furthermore, the country’s energy market is heavily limited by its lack of pipelines. Many gas transportation networks run through urban areas and are far from regions where shale gas would be produced. The country has plans to expand infrastructure through the Baltic Pipe between Poland and Denmark, but the progress has been very slow [88]. In May 2020, Gaz-System [the Polish gas transmission system operator] obtained the final permit for the Baltic Pipe project as Sweden’s government approved its construction in the Swedish exclusive economic zone. The Polish and Danish authorities have already approved construction of all the Baltic Pipe project components in its onshore and offshore parts [89].

To date, no shale gas has been produced in Poland, although geologists believe there are at least four basins that could be exploited [90, 91]. The Polish government seemed supportive of the process and passed regulations encouraging unconventional drilling. However, the production costs remained very high and the major Northern American companies were forced to eventually abandon their shale gas efforts [92]. At a 2011 conference in Warsaw, Peter Richter, Global Unconventional Technology and Marketing Manager at Schlumberger declared that “the cost of drilling a 2000-m (6562-foot) horizontal well in the U.S. averages $3.9 million, compared with $11 million in Poland” [93].

https://link.springe...937-021-00003-5

Realitatile economice si geostrategice s-au schimbat in ultimii ani, in special in ultimul.

Edited by shefu_de_combinat, 06 October 2022 - 17:13.


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