Ucraina 2014 - războiul ruso-ucrainean si Novorossiya

Va rog sa continuati aici discutia caci invazia Rusiei in Ucraina este foarte aproape la doar cateva zile distanta ... si nu ma refer la Crimeea sau ce se intampla deja in Donbas ci ce se va intampla in curand in tot estul Ucrainei si pana la Odessa, apoi ce va urma foarte aproape de Kiev.

PS: Nu trebuie sa fi geniu pt. a intui ce se va intampla curand mai ales ca avem acelasi sir al evenimentelor precum in 2008 in razboiul ruso-georgian.

prea curand in nici un caz. totul se va intampla atunci cand se va trece la un razboi in adevaratul sens al cuvantului. acum nu e razboi, e doar o bataie de strada cu arme mari si adevarate.
cand Rusia va confirma oficial razboi, atunci sa va temeti de razboi. pana atunci Rusia doar face ''pressing''.

Si care-i problema noastra ?!

Cu un Prim Ministru ca Ponta, cu Ministrul Apararii - Dusa si cu Oprea la MI, nu mi-e frica de nimic !

Oricine s-ar da la o parte cu respect, in fata competentei astora !

Nu cred ca distrugerea avionului malaezian va conduce la vreo schimbare oarecare, practic armata ucraineana a ucis deja peste cateva zeci-sute de civili in Dombas.
Cred ca firul evenimentelor ce vor urma este de neoprit si nu priveste chiar deloc abandonarea luptei de catre Rusia ci chiar intrarea Rusiei in lupta pe fata, ... desigur de Razboi mondial sau interventia NATO-UE nici nu poate fi vorba.

Motanul007, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:37, said:

Care trupe?, Mai avem asa ceva?

shelder, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:35, said:

Peste cateva zile Rusia va intra in Ucraina ca forta militara de mentinere a pacii iar armata ucraineana vor ataca trupele rusesti, apoi Rusia va declara ca ucraina a atacat trupele sale de mentinere a pacii si prin urmare Ucraina a declarat razboi Rusiei si prin urmare Rusia intra oficial in razboi.

In timp ce armatele rusesti vor avansa spre Dombas alte armate din Crimeea vor avansa spre Kiev, idem trupele din Transnistria si trupele din Belarus venind dinspre nord.
Dupa cateva ciocniri anemice armata ucraineana se va retrage spre Rutenia iar guvernul de la Kiev va capitula neconditionat.

Iata o harta posibila a Ucrainei:

Motanul007, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:37, said:

Rusia se gandeste sa-si recupereze teritorile si in cate republici sa imparta Rutenia ucrainenilor dupa confiscarea Novyrussiei.

... sa lase jumatatea nordica a Ucrainei ca un stat unic sau sa il fragmenteze in 2-3 entitati statale.

PS: Situatia priveste cel mult Rep. Moldova care poate fi luata rapid in vizor si alipita Novorusiei.

Edited by andromedaX, 18 July 2014 - 20:51.

http://www.dw.de/ucr...rkel/a-17792523

Asa, si ? Vor "in UE" sau nu ?

Edited by Val888, 18 July 2014 - 21:01.

Asa asa

Calmeaza te ma. Nu intra rusia peste nimeni. Ei voiau doar crimea.

oare intoarcerea Scorpionilor Negri si Rosi din Afganistan sa insemne ceva?
mai mult ca sigur e doar pura coincidenta..

Edited by shelder, 18 July 2014 - 21:06.

On 3 August, the Russian Foreign Ministry warned that an "extensive military conflict" was about to erupt and an evacuation of Ossetian women and children to Russia began.[104] About 35,000 people were evacuated from South Ossetia.[110] On 4 August South Ossetian media reported that Eduard Kokoity said about 300 volunteers had arrived from North Ossetia to help fight the Georgians, and thousands more were expected from the North Caucasus.[111]
Beginning on the night of 6–7 August, continuous artillery fire was exchanged.[104][112][113] At 2 pm on 7 August, the Georgian peacekeeping checkpoint in Avnevi was shelled and two Georgian peacekeepers killed.[112] At about 2:30 pm, Georgian tanks, 122mm howitzers and 203mm self-propelled artillery guns began heading towards the South Ossetian border to deter further separatist attacks.[114] During the afternoon, OSCE monitors confirmed Georgian artillery and Grad rocket launchers on roads north of Gori.[112][115] At 2:42 pm, according to Russian ambassador to the EU Vladimir Chizhov, Georgia withdrew its personnel from the joint peacekeeping force headquarters in Tskhinvali.[116][117] At 3:45 pm, Georgian forces opened fire on targets in Khetagurovo and on the southern outskirts of Tskhinvali with self-propelled artillery guns and tanks; South Ossetian forces at Khetagurovo were held. Due to Georgia's use of heavy weaponry, Russian forces based near South Ossetia were put on high alert.[108]
At 4 pm, Georgian Minister for Reintegration Temur Iakobashvili arrived in Tskhinvali for a previously-arranged meeting with South Ossetians and chief Russian negotiator for South Ossetia Yuri Popov;[114] however, the Ossetians did not appear.[117] Neither did Russia's special envoy appear, citing a flat tire.[44] One day earlier the South Ossetians refused to participate in bilateral talks, demanding a JCC session.[118] Tbilisi had withdrawn from the JCC in March, demanding that the format include the European Union, the OSCE and the Provisional Administrative Entity of South Ossetia.[96] Temur Iakobashvili met with the Russian commander of the Joint Peacekeeping Force (JPKF), General Marat Kulakhmetov, who said that Russian peacekeepers could not stop Ossetian attacks and Georgia should implement a ceasefire.[114]
At about 7 pm President Saakashvili ordered a unilateral ceasefire,[96][115][119] which reportedly held for about three hours.[120][121] Russia regarded the ceasefire as an attempt to buy time while Georgian forces positioned themselves for an offensive.[112] According to the Jamestown Foundation, attacks on Georgian villages intensified after Saakashvili's address. Avnevi was almost completely destroyed, Tamarasheni and Prisi were shelled and a police station in Kurta (seat of the Provisional Administrative Entity of South Ossetia) was destroyed by shelling. Civilian refugees began fleeing the villages.[107] Georgian senior official from the Ministry of Defence said that his country was going to "restore constitutional order" in response to the shelling.[45]
According to Georgian intelligence,[122] and several Russian sources, parts of the 58th Russian Army moved to South Ossetian territory through the Roki Tunnel before the war.[123][124][125][126][127][128]



War

Battle of Tskhinvali[edit]
Main article: Battle of Tskhinvali
Tank-like vehicle with soldiers aboard
Russian BMP-2 from the 58th Army in South Ossetia
Burned tank amid other debris
Destroyed Georgian tank in Tskhinvali
Two soldiers riding in open car trunk
Georgian servicemen leaving South Ossetia (August 2008)
Early in the morning on 8 August, Georgia launched a military offensive to halt South Ossetian fire.[130] According to the EU fact-finding mission, 10,000–11,000 soldiers took part in the Georgian offensive in South Ossetia.[120] The Georgian 4th Brigade from Vaziani spearheaded the infantry attack; the 3rd Brigade attacked key positions, from which they could seize the Gupta bridge and the road leading from the Roki Tunnel to block a Russian counterattack.

At the same time, Georgian Interior Ministry commandos (supported by Sukhoi Su-25 strike aircraft, artillery, tanks and Otokar Cobra armoured vehicles) entered the city.[129] By 8:00 am, Georgian infantry and tanks were engaged in a fierce battle with Ossetian forces and the Russian JPKF battalion stationed in the city.[18][131] Georgian shelling left parts of the capital city in ruins.[132] According to a Russian military commander, more than 10 Russian peacekeepers were killed.[133] The peacekeepers' cafeteria was completely destroyed, and all of their buildings went up in flames.[131]
That day Russia officially sent troops across the Georgian border into South Ossetia,[134] claiming to be responding to an attack on the peacekeepers' base and defending South Ossetian civilians against what they called "a genocide by Georgian forces".[49] Although Russian authorities claimed that civilian casualties in Tskhinvali might reach 2,000,[135] the figures were later revised down to 162.

http://en.wikipedia....eorgian_War#War

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argonaut, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:35, said:

Cu o mica corectie; " COMPETENTA INCOMPETENTEI".

Motanul007, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:37, said:

dureroasa pentru cine? pentru noi? =))))

ovidiu35b, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:45, said:

Vunk, Voltaj, Iris, Holograf si altele

Motanul007, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:37, said:

Laserul FTW.

Edited by danutz96, 18 July 2014 - 21:27.

Nu cred ca se ajunge pana acolo, Ucraina nu e Georgia.

andromedaX, on 18 iulie 2014 - 20:24, said:

Momentan nu va fi nimic,terminati cu dezinformarile acestea!

LensFlare, on 18 iulie 2014 - 21:26, said:

Deja s-a ajuns aproape la finalul a ceea ce a precedat intrarea Rusiei in Georgia si aici in Ucraina, este vorba despre atragerea armatei ucrainene in marile metropole pt. a face multe victime, apoi cand Ucraina pare ca a castigat Razboiul Rusia intra cu trupe oficiale pt. mentinerea pacii, asa au facut sin in Osetia de Sud si in Abhazia.