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had3z


inceputul sfarsitului:
autobloggreen testeaza tesla roadster
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/01/28/ab...tesla-roadster/

oricum, pana sa se inlocuiasca miliardul de masini deja existente, si zecile de milioane de masini care se fabrica anual (vreo 30 parca), mai dureaza. sunt optimist..inca biggrin.gif
had3z
poza cu traficul din los angeles
http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=a...t&id=340605

smog si aglomeratie.
 
jet li
Dupa Peak Oil Cuba o sa o duca cel mai bine. Adica o sa o duca la fel ca si acum.
turbo trabannt
QUOTE (jet li @ Jan 30 2008, 20:34) *
Dupa Peak Oil Cuba o sa o duca cel mai bine. Adica o sa o duca la fel ca si acum.

adica mulatre, havane si plaje cu nisip fin? man, i luv peak oil biggrin.gif
jet li
Ce se intampla in Haiti, la fel ar fi si in Cuba acum daca nu ar avea organizarea care le permite sa se descurce cu putin, si sa isi cultive singuri mancarea
Este si un efect al cresterii pretului petrolului, asa cum zice articolul. Efectele peak oil se vad deja in tarile sarace, in timp ce comunistii din Cuba se descurca, "capitalistii" saraci din Haiti nu. Cand productia va scadea mai mult va trebui sa cooperam sau va fi haos, in momentul actual lumea e prea prinsa de miracolul "traiului modern", ca sa se gandeasca la cooperare

Dupa cum vedeti undeva e o problema daca o fata de 16 ani mananca pamant. Organizarea sau peak oil ? Organizarea

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080129/ap_on_...iti_eating_dirt
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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - It was lunchtime in one of Haiti's worst slums, and Charlene Dumas was eating mud. With food prices rising, Haiti's poorest can't afford even a daily plate of rice, and some take desperate measures to fill their bellies. Charlene, 16 with a 1-month-old son, has come to rely on a traditional Haitian remedy for hunger pangs: cookies made of dried yellow dirt from the country's central plateau.

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Food prices around the world have spiked because of higher oil prices, needed for fertilizer, irrigation and transportation. Prices for basic ingredients such as corn and wheat are also up sharply, and the increasing global demand for biofuels is pressuring food markets as well.

The problem is particularly dire in the Caribbean, where island nations depend on imports and food prices are up 40 percent in places



Aici e ce se intampla in Cuba :
http://www.cityfarmer.org/cuba.html
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While Havana's urban agriculture has taken on many forms, ranging from private gardens (huertos privados) to state-owned research gardens (organicponicos), Havana's popular gardens (huertos populares) are the most widespread and accessible to the general public. Popular gardens are small parcels of state-owned land that are cultivated by individuals or community groups in response to ongoing food shortages. The program for popular gardens first began in Havana in January 1991, and has since been promoted in other Cuban cities. In 1995, there were an estimated 26,600 popular garden parcels (parcelas) throughout the 43 urban districts that make up Havana's 15 municipalities.

Unii zic : pentru ca sunt comunisti de aia sunt asa saraci de isi fac gradini in oras. Vedeti insa cum e in Haiti, la capitalisti. Cubanezii se descurca in lumea lor post peak oil
had3z
ca o completare la ce zice jet li, tarile producatoare de petrol sunt in marea lor majoritatea sarace. de fapt populatia este saraca, stapanii sunt putred de bogati. si cine-i la putere are nevoie de 2 lucruri ca sa ramana acolo:
1) preturi scazute la petrolul intern fata de piata internationala, pentru a tine populatia multumita (pentru puterea lor de cumparare)
2) exporturi suficient de mari pentru a putea cumpara efectiv bunavointa populatiei (prin preturi la benzina de 20-30 de centi litrul, si multe alte "pomeni")
in aceasta situatie sunt mai multe tari, venezuela si arabia saudita sunt doar 2 exemple care-mi vin in minte. cand productia de petrol scade, si implicit banu, destabilizeaza atat piata externa, dar pot aparea si revolte interne, care o sa duca la si mai putine exporturi

UPDATE 2-Mexico sees big oil field's output sliding further
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN2961103220080129
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Reyes Heroles told Reuters average daily production at Cantarell, in the Gulf of Mexico, would drop by 200,000 barrels over 2008



special pentru andreic, referitor la carteluri
OPEC MEETING No change seen in oil production quotas Friday but later cut likely
http://www.fxstreet.com/news/forex-news/ar...a7-8cabfe3ce476
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With the outlook for the US economy, and therefore for oil demand, growing gloomier, an production cut could be needed to keep oil prices at levels acceptable to OPEC, analysts say.

dupa cum vezi, nu pastreaza pretul unde sa fie acceptabil pentru cumparatori (supply and demand), ci unde vor ei. cu alte cuvinte nu vor ca tu sa platesti prea putin pe petrol. extrapoleaza singur la gaze
Mosotti
QUOTE (had3z @ Jan 30 2008, 16:25) *
poza cu traficul din los angeles
http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=a...t&id=340605

smog si aglomeratie.


+ photoshop. genial laugh.gif
 
had3z
http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsi...=0&gallery=


sau cauta pe google "la smog", la texte si la imagini. sunt sigur ca are si zile mai bune, dar nu inseamna ca nu poate fi ca-n poza
jafpefata
Pistol cu apã.. Ia de aici: http://sitemaker.umich.edu/section4group1/files/smog.jpg
blimpyway


Un proiect interesant care vizeaza folosirea directa a energiei solare pentru a produce hidrocarburi din apa si CO2 . Un avantaj important este ca astfel (cel putin in teorie) se poate recicla CO2 emis de termocentralele pe carbune pentru a produce combustibil pentru masini "normale"
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205100670
Mosotti
QUOTE (had3z @ Jan 30 2008, 23:19) *
sau cauta pe google "la smog", la texte si la imagini. sunt sigur ca are si zile mai bune, dar nu inseamna ca nu poate fi ca-n poza


omule, tu chiar nu vezi ca poza aia e fotosopata la greu, la modul grosolan, de cineva care nici macar nu se pricepe? laugh.gif

nu zic ca nu exista smog sau ca smogul ar fi o legenda, dar totusi, sa nu ne aberam si sa punem mai multe autostrazi cu copy-paste + un smog ridicol in photoshop smoke.gif
turbo trabannt
QUOTE (blimpyway @ Jan 31 2008, 05:28) *
Un proiect interesant care vizeaza folosirea directa a energiei solare pentru a produce hidrocarburi din apa si CO2 . Un avantaj important este ca astfel (cel putin in teorie) se poate recicla CO2 emis de termocentralele pe carbune pentru a produce combustibil pentru masini "normale"
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205100670

had3z , super idee! smile.gif

uite o gandire de genul asta trebuie, mai ales ca panourile se tot ieftinesc. nemtii au tehnologie deja de captare co2 de la termocentrale. problema care se punea era unde il depozitau smile.gif
had3z
sigur nu vroiai sa zici "blimpway, buna idee!"?
turbo trabannt
QUOTE (had3z @ Jan 31 2008, 14:08) *
sigur nu vroiai sa zici "blimpway, buna idee!"?

la dreacu , imi retrag felicitarile si le dau lui blimpy coolspeak.gif .

scuzele mele. ma miram un pic, ca ai schimbat stilul de scriere.
had3z
daca taceam... smile.gif
mi se pare super tare ideea, si darpa e un concurs cu prestigiu
cat despre co2-ul captat de termocentrale, poti sa-l imbuteliezi si sa faci sifon smile.gif
turbo trabannt
QUOTE (had3z @ Jan 31 2008, 14:35) *
cat despre co2-ul captat de termocentrale, poti sa-l imbuteliezi si sa faci sifon smile.gif

nu merge. bei sifonu, ragai si se intoarce co2-ul in atmosfera biggrin.gif
had3z
QUOTE (turbo trabannt @ Jan 31 2008, 13:37) *
nu merge. bei sifonu, ragai si se intoarce co2-ul in atmosfera biggrin.gif

un circuit cu suma zero este de preferat decat sa obtii co2-ul prin ardere de resurse fosile. asta e prima cauza de la global warming, introducerea in sistem a multor tone de co2 care erau ingropate in pamant.
andreic
QUOTE (had3z @ Jan 30 2008, 16:25) *
poza cu traficul din los angeles

Ala e traficul pe autostrada, nu in LA, iar poza e photoshopata din pacate, vroiam sa i-o trimit cuiva sa-i arat cum ar trebui sa se circule civilizat si pe la noi (ca la noi s-ar inghesui dublu unii langa altii, s-ar busi si injura, aia stau frumos fiecare la locul lui) dar ma fac de ras ca sunt culorile aiurea... se vede ca e lucrata. Ai alta mai buna si originala ?

QUOTE (had3z @ Jan 30 2008, 22:13) *
dupa cum vezi, nu pastreaza pretul unde sa fie acceptabil pentru cumparatori (supply and demand), ci unde vor ei.

E o piata libera. Iar acolo unde vor ei e de fapt punctul in care lumea si-l permite, ei analizeaza piata si iau masuri. Iti dai seama ca nimeni nu e nebun sa dea sub pret o resursa asa pretioasa biggrin.gif
had3z
cred ca notiunile noastre de "piata libera" difera. o piata libera nu inseamna ca eu cer cat vreau, si tu, daca nu-ti convine, esti....liber sa nu cumperi tongue.gif
jet li
Povestea cu Haiti a ajuns si pe Digg, ce zice cineva acolo :

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1st issue is easy to understand. They need a source of fuel to burn to cook, so they chop down trees. The idea of conservation and re planting what you've cut down is foreign. Its about basic survival, not thinking about tomorrow when you have to eat today.

2nd point, is that the US has flooded the market with cheap rice which the haitian farmers can not compete with. They sell their land and move to the cities for "work". Haiti used to support itself agriculturally but now is relient on handouts from the government in order to simply survive. The situation is desperate but the US hasnt helped. You do not help with handouts. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he will have food to eat for his life. Look at our welfare situation here, i know people need help, but to simply give people money DOES NOT HELP. Sure it seems like your helping and you feel good, but your not addressing the issue just the result.


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Oh I guess one last thing. My dad told me that a lot of big companies are buying the rest of the fertile farmland to plant sugar cane for ethanol. Great you'd think, but the people are starving and yet they're investing in crops to fuel machines (for the US btw)
had3z
Coal prices could double again
http://globalpublicmedia.com/coal_prices
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Alll of a sudden coal, so long the Cinderella of fossil fuels, is not just in demand but in desperately short supply. A chance combination of crises in big producing and exporting countries has pushed the price of European imports to almost $140 per tonne – double the level of a year ago.
blimpyway
Unii care promit ca vor face etanol din orice fel de biomasa la un dolar galonu:
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Coskata uses existing gasification technology to convert almost any organic material into synthesis gas, which is a mix of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. Rather than fermenting that gas or using thermo-chemical catalysts to produce ethanol, Coskata pumps it into a reactor containing bacteria that consume the gas and excrete ethanol.
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Tobey said Coskata's method generates more ethanol per ton of feedstock than corn-based ethanol and requires far less water, heat and pressure. Those cost savings allow it to turn, say, two bales of hay into five gallons of ethanol for less than $1 a gallon, the company said.
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May Wu, an environmental scientist at Argonne National Laboratory, says Coskata's ethanol produces 84 percent less greenhouse gas than fossil fuel even after accounting for the energy needed to produce and transport the feedstock. It also generates 7.7 times more energy than is required to produce it.

http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2008/01/ethanol23
had3z
pretul nu are cum sa fie acelasi indiferent de biomasa, cum zic ei (ca unii pot sa-l faca din porumb, altii din zahar, samd). biomasa aia are in componenta anumite substante, care necesita o cantitate mai mare sau mai mica de energie ca sa poata fi transformate in etanol. Oamenii de stiinta se chinuie sa modifice genetic unele tipuri de alge pentru a avea in componenta cat mai multe uleiuri si molecule de hidrocarburi, pentru a creste randamentul. nu cred ca scot 1$ pe galon din castraveti, care-s 95% apa biggrin.gif

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Coskata pumps it into a reactor containing bacteria that consume the gas and excrete ethanol.

of, pana la urma tot de biologie tine procesul minune, si nu de fizica / chimie
blimpyway
QUOTE (had3z @ Feb 3 2008, 21:27) *
pretul nu are cum sa fie acelasi indiferent de biomasa, cum zic ei


Nu au zis asta. Au zis ca procesul poate utiliza orice biomasa si ca pretul poate sa ajunga la $1/gal


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of, pana la urma tot de biologie tine procesul minune, si nu de fizica / chimie

groaznic
had3z
QUOTE (blimpyway @ Feb 3 2008, 22:30) *
groaznic


te rog detaliaza.

la un acvariu (nu din asta de apartament) din nujtiucare oras, aveau probleme ca le mancau pestii plantele. asa ca s-au jucat de bioingineria, selective breeding, samd si a rezultat o planta foarte dragutza la vedere, care producea toxine care impiedicau pestii sa le manance. A scapat in canale, a ajuns in mare, nici un pradator natural care sa-i strice somnul, a inceput sa distruga habitate
Caulerpa_Taxifolia
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At the zoo aquarium, selective breeding under exposure to chemicals and ultra-violet light made the Caulpera even hardier[1], and when it eventually found its way into the Mediterranean, it created an invasive species panic because of fears that it threatened to alter the entire ecosystem by crowding out other seaweed while being inedible to animals.
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asta ca sa nu repet poveste iepurilor din noua zeelanda. smile.gif. pe mine unu ma deranjeaza ca baietii produc bacterii care consuma biomasa si se caca petrol / etanol. daca era ceva mai controlabil, cum ar fi o vaca cu 12 ugere, 4 de diesel, 4 de benzina si 4 de etanol, de exemplu, as fi foarte multumit. daca-ti scapa in recolta o impusti si gata, sau ii pui lasoul la gat. cu bacteriile nu-i de gluma

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History Channel Life After People
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=49...54535&hl=en
cum ar fi viata pe pamant fara oameni. nu l-am vazut, insa pare extrem de interesant. acum ma uit la el
Reclama
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