cardinal
8th December 2007, 03:09
pai teoriile conspiratiei sunt reale.
se doreste distrugerea tarii.
Ramunc
8th December 2007, 03:22
S-a mai spus, dar trebuie repetat: teoria 'deficitului de forta de munca' e minciuna curata, nu exista asemenea deficit, sunt o gramada de indivizi care ard gazul în România.
În realitate patronii tradatori de tara vor mâna de lucru ieftina si de aceea vor sa aduca chinezi.
Sa speram ca cei spalati la creier, cum sunt si pe acest forum, se vor trezi si vor întelege ca România trebuie sa ramâna româneasca, de sa devina un Babilon.
terratec
8th December 2007, 03:51
Pai e simplu, boicotam produsele sau serviciile patronilor care aduc chinezi sau indieni.
Dar daca cumparam de la ei pe motiv ca e mai iefti... nu-i bine.
Ramunc
8th December 2007, 04:13
Din comentariile la articolul din Telegraph se vede ca oamenii simpli din Marea Britanie (si din restul Europei) s-au saturat de minciunile aliantei mafiote între politicieni, afaceristi si masoni:
The idea that we need continual immigration for economic growth has been blown out of the water. Our economy grew during Thatchers time when the UK population shrank overall. What quality of life will the next generation have with the overcrowding and social control needed to keep these stupid economic theories going?
Posted by Jim Norwood on December 5, 2007 5:25 PM
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Anothe lie to justify mass immigration.
If employers paid proper wages more people would be available to work,any country has a lot of people who are unemployed or do precarious jobs.
Then there is mechanisation,many tasks now can be delegated to robots.
Posted by giuseppe de santis on December 5, 2007 4:05 PM
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I remember when the white heat of technology (another Labout catch-word) was going to save us all from work. Robots were going to even do the ironing while we, pampered Brits, lived a life of luxury on the bach and golf course.
Whatever happend to that dream? Why do we need so muchy foreign labour when many Brits can't even find a job? Something is wrong somewhere.
Even worse is the hypocrisy that drives our policies of overseas recruitment. By encouraging migrants to come to Britain, we are denuding third world countries of their best. So not only is the British identity damaged but untold economic harm is done to poorer nations.
Thank you Labour for in then years undoing the work of thousands. I think, though, I preferred Harold Wilson's vision of white hot technology.
Posted by Adrian Gilbert on December 5, 2007 3:28 PM
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Do we want Europe's children to live in the future as Europeans have always done, sovereign in their own homelands?
Or do we want them to slowly suicide through the decadence of economism and liberalism, and be race-replaced by uninvited alien peoples?
This is the great existential question of our age. It goes unacknowledged and unanswered in the mainstream media. The media that DO address the Question, of course, are to be found only on the internet, way out in the demonised badlands of the supposed "far right".
Morally, the world has been turned upside down. To intellectualise the survival of European Man, as my blog does, is to be worthy only of contempt. How did this come to pass? How did the continuity of our own people come to be immoral, and a matter of such sublime unimportance that a strawberry crop or cockles for lunch outweighs everything else?
How, in particular, did an extreme neo-Marxist interpretation of love of kind among our peoples - something considered normal everywhere else in the world - come to be "fascism" and "racism" here?
Posted by Guessedworker on December 5, 2007 12:33 PM
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Doesn't anyone see that this is a never ending circle? We only need more labour because we import a lot of people: new roads, schools, hospitals, houses... but this comes to a very high cost not only to us but also to them. Moving people constantly in great numbers across the globe can't be the answer! It has never been and it will never be! Factories move abroad, their people move here, they import other people to do the work. If this is not maddness than I don't know what it is! And look at the terrible problems caused all over the world... Why not aim for less population, less growth and more happiness.......................
Posted by Francisca on December 5, 2007 11:36 AM
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What an unreal sentence is: ‘In western Europe it is easy to be smug. After all, the UK is among the favourite destinations for those workers whose flight leaves their central European homes so short-staffed.’
I am sorry, but ‘smugness’ is the last thing this situation induces in me. I would have written: ‘In Britain it is easy to be appalled at the crisis facing us in terms of pressure on public services, loss of national identity, and how the heck we will fit a predicted 109 million population into the UK and onto its roads by 2081.’
However much FEF would like Gordon to solve our, and the Romanians’, problem by 'sending them back', it won’t be allowed to happen (even in the unlikely event that Labour would do it) thanks to our EU membership. The least we can do is to stop everyone from outside the EU coming here, and stop Turkey joining. Better still we could leave, and then really start to sort out our problems.
Posted by Alan E. on December 5, 2007 10:55 AM
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Throughout our history and indeed that of Europe a decrease in the working population either by war or pestilence has led to a demand for higher wages by those able to work. The ‘solution’ as far as employers was concerned to invent and innovate; the creation of machines and better working practices.
Given the inexorable advance of modern day technology our Victorian or even Tudor ancestors would have invented machines to allow five semi-skilled workers to do the work of a 100 immigrant machinists fruit pickers or whatever and modified the plant to make harvesting easier.
The only reason we are failing to invent and innovate is the supply of cheap migrant labour; although I harbour a strong suspicion this is a convenient smokescreen for uncontrolled immigration into the UK
Time and again we are fed the canard that we need immigrants to pay taxes to look after an aging population.
We had, when Nu Labour come into office, an economic growth rate of 3%. This would together with tight financial controls and getting our economically inactive but able to work population back to work not only pay for the care of our elderly but allow our population to gradually decrease to a sustainable level of say 30 million.
As a start we could offer Romania our young NEETS to work for pocket money, which would go some way to helping both economies. Many of these youngsters will be second and third generation immigrants and thus, will like their parents, be hard working, skilled and well educated, unlike our own bone idle, uneducated thick welfare dependent native British. These are the correct stereotypes so loved by the Left I believe.
New machines will be developed over the next few years and together with robotization will reduce the number of jobs suitable for humans drastically.
Many of the Asians who came to work in the Lancashire mills in the 1960s arrived just as the mills closed down and the work moved to the Far East-they are still here never having contributed to UK tax or pension schemes. The same will be true of many of today’s migrants as jobs are transferred abroad.
The problem of an aging population is relatively minor and short term one that we should ride; the ‘solution’ is a disastrous long-term complete mess that will lead to a civil war
Posted by Tom Sedman-Smith on December 5, 2007 10:31 AM
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"Millions more workers needed in Europe". Producing what? Surely not consumer goods or even engaged in all that much medium and heavy engineering, or building new cars or ships.
We can't compete on a world stage on labour costs. If Chinese workers find it worth their while to come to Romania for £175 a month in the rag trade - what would they earn making export clothing back home that can easily undercut European prices even after shipping?
Migrants gliding across Europe from the east are unlikely to take up jobs in the white collar invisible earnings sector.
How many unskilled workers do we actually need, and will we EVER see a few of them culled from our indigenous unemployment registers under this government?
I'd take a long hard look at some of this migration. In Spain we now have a massive number of professional thieves from eastern Europe - people who do not live by any other means.
Posted by simon coulter on December 5, 2007 10:28 AM
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Britain will get its labour force from the bloated civil service.
Posted by John S, Perthshire on December 5, 2007 9:42 AM
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Maybe with our schools turning out high grade chavniks and the country falling in every table apart from ones for drug taking, drinking and teenage pregnancy maybe we should start employing some of those chimps we all viewed on TV the other night pushing buttons. They look quite intelligent compared to some of the morons that roam our streets nowadays. At least they're employable.
Posted by Andy on December 5, 2007 9:40 AM
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So we could actually sort out two problems for the price of one. If we sent back all of "our" Romanians we could ease the burden of them in this country, and help their homeland. Go on Gordon do something positive for a change.
Posted by FEF on December 5, 2007 9:10 AM
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I suppose that, in a year or two, when the Chinese and other Asiatics
who have moved into Romania, will be eligible to move on to other EEC countries ? With our open borders policy there is potential for millions more immigrants. Will our housing stock, health services, schools, etc., etc., be able to cope with the influx ? What rates of tax (national & local) will apply to present residents to enable us to provide the usual Benefits to these newcomers ?
Posted by Highgate on December 5, 2007 7:14 AM
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Run-down Romanian town? you may want to check again, Sir! that's the most economically developed city in the area and it's just at the beginning.
Posted by Paul on December 5, 2007 6:32 AM
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This is a much bigger problem than a labor shortage: this is only the latest installment in the native population collapse of Europe.
The decadent, childless Europe that lives for today only is a social welfare Ponzi scheme that depends on ever-larger numbers of young to pay for the lavish benefits offered to those at the top of the pyramid. But it is so inconvenient to be burdened with children. And with no children, just who will work and pay for this? It would seem that the hope is on the immigrants who will be the new citizens of the Islamic caliphate of Europe.
cardinal
8th December 2007, 04:22
capitalismul insusi e vinovat.
iar religia, imi pare rau sa o spun, este inregimentata lui.
edy_wheazel
8th December 2007, 04:28
Creste importarea masiva de chinezi? Sa fiu pe faza sa cumpar si eu o duzina.
La noi singurii asiatici sunt cei care au boxe in magazine naspa, cu marfa pe masura si care dispar pe capete (falimentu', bata-l vina).
cardinal
8th December 2007, 05:44
daca cititi cu atentie, comentariile, ala spune ca "daca chinezii care vin in romania" vor veni maim tarziu peste ei ?
deci apare o distantare intre statele componente ale ue. lipsa de coordonare, se adanceste. ar trebui o politica de imigratie comuna.
acelasi fenomen se intampla intre provinciile canadiene, in care fiecare se plange de imigrantii celorlalte.
alalaltu
8th December 2007, 06:15
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