Credeti ca Dumnezeu exista?
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Akuma No
da, da, l-am citit si la vremea respectiva si-i cum v-am spus, am inteles... "eu sint" divin. notangel.gif

in primul rind absolutul se opune relativului. "eu sint" trimite mai intai la o forma extrema de autosuficienta, un lucru care nu presupune nimic altceva decit pe sine insusi, nu depinde - zici tu - de nici o conditie anterioara, prezenta sau viitoare. totusi, zippy, cum relationezi?

susti ca nu poti spune "eu sint" in absolut. atunci, relativ vorbind, pentru constiinta "eu sint" n-are nici un raport de comprehensibilitate cu urcarea in cimpul constiintei pentru ca se creaza un conflict intre apararea inconstienta a constiintei si dorintele constiintei.
shapeshifter
Realizarea Sinelui tine mai degraba de intelegere decit de parcurgerea unor etape intr-o anumita practica spirituala..
Pentru a reuși trebuie să fi ,,extremist", nu e loc de jumătăți de măsură..

In absolut nu exista conștiință ci doar pură conștiență, atemporală (ca si atemporalul acum, mereu proaspat) care nu este conștientă de sine..

EU SUNT ACELA - EU SUNT il eclipesează pe ACELA și invers..

Ceea ce am spus pina aici nu trebuie citit, digerat si gata data o replica care mai de care mai tembelă..
Eu insumi la fel ca voi trebuie sa verificam toate astea, nu sint mai-nu-stiu cum decit voi.. OK?

Bibliografie:
Ramana Maharshi
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Ramesh Balsekar
Wayne Liquorman - Ram Tzu
Eckhart Tolle
David Godman
Robert Powell
Jean Klein
Wei Wu Wei
gtk
Ce-i aia "autosuficienta"? Nu exista in DEX.
Cum adica "atemporalul acum, mereu proaspat" ? atemporal != acum, mereu
... mai e si proaspat pe deasupra!

Cei aia absolut in care exista ceva? pura constienta care nu e constienta de sine?
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Akuma No
@gtk, autosuficienta, aici, in sensul de indeajuns de multumit de sine.


zippy, dragule, n-am alaturat reply-urilor tale nici un epitet. (vezi: care de care mai tembele) nono.gif
apoi, neputind sa se intemeieze prin recurs la o origine ce-i ramine necunoscuta - in recitativul tau din topic, o origine care nu-i nici trecuta, nici viitoare - constiinta poate urma totusi actul intemeietor a unei intentii, a unui proiect care conduce la o actiune.
constiinta ta iti spune acum "eu sint" aici, cuprins de gratuitatea propriei existente. poti sa fii prins intr-o absenta a sensului pentru constientizarea factitatii individuale cit si de ceilalti, dar, d.p. tau d.v. te folosesti de ceva care nu mai este sau ceva care nu este inca.
"eu sint"-ul tau nu poate sa fie atemporal sau rezident dupa bunul plac intr-o stare... proaspata.

"eu sint" e exceptia si nu regula. "eu sint" sta sub semnul precaritatii si nu sub semnul acorarii ince zici tu p-aici de cind topicul acesta e alaturea cu drumul.
shapeshifter
La epitete ma refeream in genere nu la ale tale si ale mele poate au fost tembele unele replici..
In orice caz tu te referi la filosofie iar eu la altceva: FIINÞARE
Eu sunt nu e filosofic!! EU SUNT este singura certitudine..
 
Akuma No
da mai zippy, si eu de ce tenisii mei vorbeam... de meciul steaua - standard?
vorbeam de fiinta umana - "eu sint" - care-i vie, dar limitata, cu o destinatie finita si opusa astfel atemporalului sau lipsei de dinamica din exemplul tau.

"eu sint"-ul tau exista, s-o spunem cu refinerea necesara, dar nu are functie, nu se dezvolta, n-are principiu de realizare... sau nu le-am intrezarit eu.
vata_pa_batz
asa am revenit. Aa unde ramasesem?
Akuma No


la somnul profund "eu sint" mereu proaspat, realizarea infinitului absolut prin non-identificarea cu corpul-minte si senzatia ca ,,eu sint" trebuie abandonata.
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vata_pa_batz
Deci daca dimineata la trezire am senzatia ca eu sunt rupt de oboseala tre s-o las balta ca oricum n-am nici o sansa. La iobagie tre sa ma duc si daca ma identific cu Shackma (sau Chakra, Zippy ajtuta-ma ca nu mai stiu) si daca eu-l meu vrea somn la infinit.

Corpul-minte da da! Stiam io ca ceva nu e-n regula!
shapeshifter
,,Any questions about God can be put, you must be there to be it".
Nisargadatta

Call him mad, illiterate or anything you want but all he requests us is to ask ourselves one question...Who am I ?
d.EVIL
who are you intreaba-te si pe urma intreaba-L ... Who are YOU ?! si EL itzi va rapsunde.
EyesOn
QUOTE(alexpetrescu79 @ Jun 7 2004, 16:12)
Eu personal nu cred. Puteti sa ma convingeti de contrariu?
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viziteaza www.farghet.ro .. citeste cartea si apoi...vb. de noile intrebari si certitudini peacefingers.gif
shapeshifter
Sună a New Age ce scrie pe acolo..
gtk
zippy, stii engleza?

Any questions about God can be put, you must be there to be it".

Crezi ca-i corecta fraza?
d.EVIL
a incercat cineva vreodata sa se roage ?!

aveti idee cu ce se mananca ?! bors sau ...
anonimix
QUOTE(believer @ Jun 8 2004, 09:50)
Biblia spune "crede si nu cerceta". Nici chiar unii credinciosi nu s-au putut impaca cu asta.


In Biblie nu exista "crede si nu cerceta", dimpotriva: este promovata ideea sa nu crezi pana cand nu cercetezi.
shapeshifter
QUOTE(gtk @ Oct 25 2004, 18:03)
zippy, stii engleza?

Any questions about God can be put, you must be there to be it".

Crezi ca-i corecta fraza?
*


Foarte corecta..
vektor12
cine e it? Dumnezeu? ma indoiesc, si daca e asa, atunci eu strig: basfemie, blasfemie, de 3 ori blasfemie!

oricum, si daca ar fi corecta d.p.d.v. gramatical, asa cum este acum, scoasa din context, nu are nici un sens...
shapeshifter
Ma baieti maaaaaa..

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Any questions about God can be put, you must be there to be it".
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Orice intrebare despre Dumnezeu care poate fi pusa, implica faptul de a exista cineva care sa o pună.

sau cu alte cuvinte:

Nu exista cunoastere fara cunoscator..
vektor12
pai daca nu pui si accentul, de unde era sa stiu??? ca nu am ajuns sa ghicesc lucrurile ca sri Cum-Il-Cheama...
gtk
QUOTE
Any questions about God can be put, you must be there to be it".
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Orice intrebare despre Dumnezeu care poate fi pusa, implica faptul de a exista cineva care sa o pună.


Hehe, sa crezi tu.

S-ar putea traduce cam asa:

Orice intrebari despre Dumnezeu pot fi *puse* .... / trebuie sa fii acolo pentru a fi (?) el/ea, numai ca "it" se refera la obiecte, animale, etc.

Intrebarile nu se "put" ci se "ask" sau se "pose".

Deci, e total ilogica si gresita dpdv gramatical, iar chestia "you must be there to be it" nu are sens.

Poate inseamna altceva iar voi invatati lucrurile pe dos.
shapeshifter
Yo cred ca n-ai observat acel BE din can BE put si ca acel IT se refera la intrebare..
Mosotti
hold on, sa fac sinteza

Any questions about God can be put, you must be there to be it =
Orice intrebare despre dumnezeu poate sa puta, tu doar trebuie sa fii acolo ca sa fii intrebarea

e o gindire yogina la superlativ death.gif
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