What would you answer back to someone who says that you come from a poor country ? Or maybe he won't ask but as soon as he finds out you come from Romania he will turn his head away or dis consider you. I know its not fair but it's a fact..
So I decided to ask for your help to build a letter, in simple words that any Romanian should know even if at least he/she feels it's in his heart. Maybe you are a student or an older, maybe you are a historian or an economist, living abroad or home, etc.. lets all contribute with a simple idea to make a concise, clear letter, to show the world who we are. Or if you find a meaningful text somewhere you may copy-paste from which we can inspire our words. Like this words are:
"The Romanian land is rich with petroleum deposits, placing the country in second position among European nations in terms of oil resources. Additionally, the mountains carry gold. The sparkling mineral waters and the thermal spas have been used since the ruling of the Romanian imperiu. The hills are covered with fruit trees and vineyards. The plains support agriculture, while the mountain areas supply rich grass for cattle and sheep."
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Our proud country was rich, the oil is almost finished, the gold, we are not able to dig it out(see Rosia Montana). We can be rich, but if we have a mind of a businessman, a successful businessman so we can exploit the huge potential of tourism on our beautiful lands, the agriculture too has an important potential, there are many farms that can be profitable. With a righteous political and economical leadership we can be a mighty country, but until then we can hope...
QUOTE(oneill333 @ Jan 26 2007, 17:24) 
What would you answer back to someone who says that you come from a poor country ?
I would say that even in a country as poor as the one I am coming from we learn English in school. And we were taught to reach the highest levels of proficiency not to make fools of ourselves on forums on the Internet.
Nevertheless, there are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
reach, rich, ritch, rici... arici pogonici...
I am proud of my nationality and don't care what anyone has to say when he hears that I am from Romania. Poor country? We have stupid people that run the country. We are not poor, just misguided, betrayed for their own personal interests. I am sorry that there are Romanians out there ashamed that are Romanians and consciently or not contribute to the destruction of our culture and values. Why embrace American culture? I don't say it's worse, but it's not any better either.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
oneill333's description is way far from the truth. I think that only in theory we have Romania. I mean we had to garantee with something for all the money we borrowed from outside. Little by little and very fast I might add, our spirit is destroyed too, till nothing will be left of us. So, you can ask me, why am I proud. I think I am proud more than what it was than were is headed and I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
oneill333's description is way far from the truth. I think that only in theory we have Romania. I mean we had to garantee with something for all the money we borrowed from outside. Little by little and very fast I might add, our spirit is destroyed too, till nothing will be left of us. So, you can ask me, why am I proud. I think I am proud more than what it was than were is headed and I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
QUOTE(d.light @ Feb 12 2007, 14:19)
I am proud of my nationality and don't care what anyone has to say when he hears that I am from Romania. Poor country? We have stupid people that run the country. We are not poor, just misguided, betrayed for their own personal interests. I am sorry that there are Romanians out there ashamed that are Romanians and consciently or not contribute to the destruction of our culture and values. Why embrace American culture? I don't say it's worse, but it's not any better either.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
oneill333's description is way far from the truth. I think that only in theory we have Romania. I mean we had to garantee with something for all the money we borrowed from outside. Little by little and very fast I might add, our spirit is destroyed too, till nothing will be left of us. So, you can ask me, why am I proud. I think I am proud more than what it was than were is headed and I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
oneill333's description is way far from the truth. I think that only in theory we have Romania. I mean we had to garantee with something for all the money we borrowed from outside. Little by little and very fast I might add, our spirit is destroyed too, till nothing will be left of us. So, you can ask me, why am I proud. I think I am proud more than what it was than were is headed and I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
What's that? O fi despre Romania, dar topica ar trebui sa fie englezeasca si, dintr-o lista de sinonime, folosite cele pe care un englez le-ar folosi. Pentru studiu "I am proud more than what I was than were is headed". De aceea am avut o lunga polemica cu gtk, despre importanta lecturilor in limba lui Shakespeare. Succes!
QUOTE(Aprilia @ Feb 13 2007, 04:37)
What's that? O fi despre Romania, dar topica ar trebui sa fie englezeasca si, dintr-o lista de sinonime, folosite cele pe care un englez le-ar folosi. Pentru studiu "I am proud more than what I was than were is headed". De aceea am avut o lunga polemica cu gtk, despre importanta lecturilor in limba lui Shakespeare. Succes!
ai dreptate, am gresit rau de tot la fraza aia. incercand sa traduc ce prostie am scris, se intelege cu totul altceva. dar nu am scris "I am proud more than what I was than were is headed" - reformulez: I am more proud of what it was than were it is headed. corecteaza-ma daca gresesc si acum. 10x
We have a rich country and we are a smart people 
Yeah, I'm just fucking with you, we have an ugly dirty little country full of morons. We take pride in working for 100 EUR per month, except for weekends, when we listen, sing along and dance the national traditional manelas, beautiful and colorful songs about the poor people's dream to have lots of money, lots of expensive german cars with top HiFi equipment and lots of spiteful enemies. Fuck Romania 
Yeah, I'm just fucking with you, we have an ugly dirty little country full of morons. We take pride in working for 100 EUR per month, except for weekends, when we listen, sing along and dance the national traditional manelas, beautiful and colorful songs about the poor people's dream to have lots of money, lots of expensive german cars with top HiFi equipment and lots of spiteful enemies. Fuck Romania
QUOTE(Mosotti @ Feb 15 2007, 12:46)
We have a rich country and we are a smart people Yeah, I'm just fucking with you, we have an ugly dirty little country full of morons. We take pride in working for 100 EUR per month, except for weekends, when we listen, sing along and dance the national traditional manelas, beautiful and colorful songs about the poor people's dream to have lots of money, lots of expensive german cars with top HiFi equipment and lots of spiteful enemies. Fuck Romania
Yeah, I'm just fucking with you, we have an ugly dirty little country full of morons. We take pride in working for 100 EUR per month, except for weekends, when we listen, sing along and dance the national traditional manelas, beautiful and colorful songs about the poor people's dream to have lots of money, lots of expensive german cars with top HiFi equipment and lots of spiteful enemies. Fuck Romania Please correct the huge mistake you made: We are the smartest people
QUOTE(Mosotti @ Feb 15 2007, 05:46)
We have a rich country and we are a smart people Yeah, I'm just fucking with you, we have an ugly dirty little country full of morons. We take pride in working for 100 EUR per month, except for weekends, when we listen, sing along and dance the national traditional manelas, beautiful and colorful songs about the poor people's dream to have lots of money, lots of expensive german cars with top HiFi equipment and lots of spiteful enemies. Fuck Romania
Yeah, I'm just fucking with you, we have an ugly dirty little country full of morons. We take pride in working for 100 EUR per month, except for weekends, when we listen, sing along and dance the national traditional manelas, beautiful and colorful songs about the poor people's dream to have lots of money, lots of expensive german cars with top HiFi equipment and lots of spiteful enemies. Fuck Romania I have to agree with you on this one! Romania is a dive
QUOTE(d.light @ Feb 12 2007, 07:19)
I am sorry that there are Romanians out there ashamed that are Romanians and consciently or not contribute to the destruction of our culture and values. Why embrace American culture? I don't say it's worse, but it's not any better either.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
...I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
...I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
Yeah! You're right,there are many people that are ashamed to say:"we are from Romania".Why do you think that is?There is always a reason for everything.Let me tell you.They are not ashamed because the country or it's people are poor,or have AIDS.That's not something to be ashamed of.Poverty and disease exist everywere,even in the well developed nations of the west.
They are ashamed of the bad name given to them by the thiefs and petty criminals who came overseas to steal and scheme.Also by the flood of romanian women who strip or prostitute themselfs on the streets of the North American continent.
I was born in that country(my mom is romanian)but fortunately left it as quickly as possible(when I was 10).When I used to live in Germany,which was in the mid '90,I remember going out to shop with my parents and we used to see signs on the windows of the stores saying: "Romanians please don't steal"! I was still young,so I didn't make much of it then,but my mom was mortified with shame.People looked at us different when she said that we were from Romania.We used to see a lot of romanians steal.
It was a turn off.Then I went to live with my father in Iraq and as I grew older I used to hear stories about romanian prostitutes in Middle East.It was then,when I started seeing myself as an iraqi,not as a romanian and it's been like that ever since.My husband is arabic,I'm half so and my children would never know Romania.I've been back there time and again over the years and I have seen enough.No amount of money is going to make any difference,if the mentality and attitude of the people don't change.
Today I live in Canada and the news doesn't get any better.It seems that everywere you turn there is no escape from the bad reputation that romanian immigrants have.Over here the bars are full with romanian strippers and the jails with young guys busted for credit card and bank fraud.
So far that's what the west is seeing a lot of.Where are all those bright people?Now would be a good time for them to surface.Sorry to put it so harsh,but that's the reality of things from this side of the ocean.
We also hyave good composers like Gheorghe Zamfir and Tudor Ghorghe.
QUOTE(oneill333 @ Feb 23 2007, 21:24)
We also hyave good composers (?) like Gheorghe Zamfir and Tudor Ghorghe.
You really can't write correctly, can you?
I think you should just upload some audio files in which you explain your opinions, because writing and spelling are not your thing
QUOTE(honeybunny @ Mar 2 2007, 15:04)
You really can't write correctly, can you?
I think you should just upload some audio files in which you explain your opinions, because writing and spelling are not your thing
I think you should just upload some audio files in which you explain your opinions, because writing and spelling are not your thing
Wahts up Dcuk ?!
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Yeah! You're right,there are many people that are ashamed to say:"we are from Romania".Why do you think that is?There is always a reason for everything.Let me tell you.They are not ashamed because the country or it's people are poor,or have AIDS.That's not something to be ashamed of.Poverty and disease exist everywere,even in the well developed nations of the west.
They are ashamed of the bad name given to them by the thiefs and petty criminals who came overseas to steal and scheme.Also by the flood of romanian women who strip or prostitute themselfs on the streets of the North American continent.
I was born in that country(my mom is romanian)but fortunately left it as quickly as possible(when I was 10).When I used to live in Germany,which was in the mid '90,I remember going out to shop with my parents and we used to see signs on the windows of the stores saying: "Romanians please don't steal"! I was still young,so I didn't make much of it then,but my mom was mortified with shame.People looked at us different when she said that we were from Romania.We used to see a lot of romanians steal.
It was a turn off.Then I went to live with my father in Iraq and as I grew older I used to hear stories about romanian prostitutes in Middle East.It was then,when I started seeing myself as an iraqi,not as a romanian and it's been like that ever since.My husband is arabic,I'm half so and my children would never know Romania.I've been back there time and again over the years and I have seen enough.No amount of money is going to make any difference,if the mentality and attitude of the people don't change.
Today I live in Canada and the news doesn't get any better.It seems that everywere you turn there is no escape from the bad reputation that romanian immigrants have.Over here the bars are full with romanian strippers and the jails with young guys busted for credit card and bank fraud.
So far that's what the west is seeing a lot of.Where are all those bright people?Now would be a good time for them to surface.Sorry to put it so harsh,but that's the reality of things from this side of the ocean.
They are ashamed of the bad name given to them by the thiefs and petty criminals who came overseas to steal and scheme.Also by the flood of romanian women who strip or prostitute themselfs on the streets of the North American continent.
I was born in that country(my mom is romanian)but fortunately left it as quickly as possible(when I was 10).When I used to live in Germany,which was in the mid '90,I remember going out to shop with my parents and we used to see signs on the windows of the stores saying: "Romanians please don't steal"! I was still young,so I didn't make much of it then,but my mom was mortified with shame.People looked at us different when she said that we were from Romania.We used to see a lot of romanians steal.
It was a turn off.Then I went to live with my father in Iraq and as I grew older I used to hear stories about romanian prostitutes in Middle East.It was then,when I started seeing myself as an iraqi,not as a romanian and it's been like that ever since.My husband is arabic,I'm half so and my children would never know Romania.I've been back there time and again over the years and I have seen enough.No amount of money is going to make any difference,if the mentality and attitude of the people don't change.
Today I live in Canada and the news doesn't get any better.It seems that everywere you turn there is no escape from the bad reputation that romanian immigrants have.Over here the bars are full with romanian strippers and the jails with young guys busted for credit card and bank fraud.
So far that's what the west is seeing a lot of.Where are all those bright people?Now would be a good time for them to surface.Sorry to put it so harsh,but that's the reality of things from this side of the ocean.
You seem to come from a different Romania. The Romania I come from is with people who don’t plan on leaving the country, but plan to stay and work. My father is Romanian, my mother is Brazilian. I lived in NYC, Bucharest, and in Florida (Ft. Lauderdale) for the most of my life. After I finished high school, I decided to go to NYC for college. Unfortunately, due to bad grades, I ended up being a drop out. My father asked me if I want to move back to Florida or move to Romania
This was huge deciding factor. I chose Romania because I was completely bored of Florida and saw no future in living there. Many people may say that I am biased because the grass always seems greener on the other side, and it may be the reason why I chose to move to Romania, but it ended up being the right choice.
I have more friends than I would have in Florida. I have friends from Serbia, Russia, Turkey, Italy, Netherlands, England, Vietnam, China, you get the point. In USA, the only place where I would have found this kind of diversity would have been in NYC. I am much happier in Romania.
You said you are ashamed of being Romanian? Sorry, but I laugh at that as I met many Romanians across North America and Europe and they all seem to be proud about being Romanian. The reason they all left was due to the low wages, but as each year passes on by, I see this trend falling. Pretty much all of my colleagues are planning on staying and already have an idea of where they want to work or what kind of business they want to start. The funniest part of all of this is that I know a lot of people/colleagues who are Romanian and are coming back from other countries because they realize all around the world it’s the same problem, but they feel that they will be happier because they are closer to their family and friends.
You live in Toronto according to your profile. I have 2 friends in my class from Toronto who said that “after living there for 7 years, you realize that it’s a complete sh*t hole”. These are not my words, although I have no way of proving this, but I share the same feeling about Ft. Lauderdale, Florida after living in Bucharest for some 7 years. You can’t even compare these cities in term of culture, sorry, but Bucharest wins hands down.
So please, the next time you say being Romanian is something to be ashamed of, realize that you are not the only Romanian in this world. I personally believe you have other problems in your life, and are using Romania as a scapegoat.
My friends, my family, and I are all very happy here. Sure, we all have problems in life, with paying bills, family disputes, and not being overall happy. Get used to it, it’s the same everywhere. If you find a place where you have no social problems, send me a PM please, I will be your slave. Otherwise, please keep “finger pointing” out of this forum.
By the way, for an ending comment, I know plenty of Canadians in Romania, many who lived many years in Canada but chose to move back to Romania because they felt happier here. I hope you get out of you depression.
Anyone up for a flame war? I am in the mood
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Sure, we all have problems in life, with paying bills, family disputes, and not being overall happy. Get used to it, it’s the same everywhere.
That's what i told my sister before she went to live in Austria. Unfortunately she didn't listen to me.
Anyway it's good to see that you have a positive attitude towards Romania.
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Wahts up Dcuk ?!
"You live in Toronto according to your profile. I have 2 friends in my class from Toronto who said that “after living there for 7 years, you realize that it’s a complete sh*t hole”. These are not my words, although I have no way of proving this, but I share the same feeling about Ft. Lauderdale, Florida after living in Bucharest for some 7 years. You can’t even compare these cities in term of culture, sorry, but Bucharest wins hands down."
I live in T.O. and I tend to agree w/ you for the most part. You guys in Romania are complaining about gypsies. Try living in TO for 18 yrs and I swear you'll end up loving your gypsis. TO is full of the weirdest nationalities that you can imagine: pakies, muslisms, indians, chinkies, viets, koreans, somalies, ethiopians. It makes me puke just walking down the street. Last year I went for a vacation in Italy and I enjoyed every white face I saw. No I'm not a racist, but I believe that alowing all these diverse people to live toghther is not healthy. Coming to Canada was not my choice. I came here with my parents and I kinda settled into this society. However the older I get the more I realize that I dont belong to this country. Maybe one day I'll move back home. And btw: I'm nasty like hell when I hear anyone other than romanians saying bad things about Romania. Romania is an awesome country.
To begin with ,I realised it's a pity i didn't stay in Austria more when I had the oportunity. Linz,the city where i lived for 6 months offered a lot of chances but unfortunately my studies weren't complete so I had to come back in Romania. Moreover,after finishing the studies i realised i cannot go back in Austria so I looked for other jobs . I was helped by my aunt who lives in Israel and i found a nice job here even though i never thought i would work in tourism since i always aimed for journalism. Anyway,at the moment i'm searching jobs in the U.S. and i hope i'll soon get the oportunity to live and work there even though the chances are rather small. I never thought about coming back in Romania.
"Romanians perceive other Europeans as being selfish, bumtious and unemotional. "EVZ article
Up above here, in Romania, we don't care about money. The blue sky and high mountains bring us joy enough.
QUOTE (honeybunny @ Mar 2 2007, 17:04)
You really can't write correctly, can you?
I think you should just upload some audio files in which you explain your opinions, because writing and spelling are not your thing
I think you should just upload some audio files in which you explain your opinions, because writing and spelling are not your thing
uhm,is it just me or you're trying to make everyone seem stupid or illiterate??
you should stop correcting and start reading.
you should also start giving people a chance to state their opinions.having all that "shyte" of yours and your forum-colleagues,every single topic turns into a grammar lesson.
i don't give a monkey's bottom on that,but there might be some people that have smart or interesting things to say,regardless of their grammar.what do you think,English teacher-wanna-be-s?
back to this endless topic...
Romania is not poor.our land's most country-sided men speak one of the most uncommon Indo-european languages,even though they can't seem to realize it.
we also have vast resources,agriculture-prepared fields,mountains,hills,valleys,I'm strictly referring to the main things we have.the chapters on top of which we can still say we're rich!
let's put it this way...a stranger came here,just passing through Bucharest.he was from Australia.i told him about all our problems and benefits,wages,economy,buildings,cars,theatres,parks and so on.
he was really impressed of what i showed him and what i told him about our nation.
he also had that stupid "rumor that travels around the world about Romania,being over-saturated with gypsies and all sort of fancy stuff like that".
he's not your average Joe,he is a history teacher,he told me stuff about Carol the First ,stuff that i had no clue about before our meeting.
So...we should be proud for the things we still have.we should also start investing in the touristic area,that's the way the bloody cookie crumbles these days, and we should also preserve what we have left.
see ya
Romania is not poor.our land's most country-sided men speak one of the most uncommon Indo-european languages,even though they can't seem to realize it.
we also have vast resources,agriculture-prepared fields,mountains,hills,valleys,I'm strictly referring to the main things we have.the chapters on top of which we can still say we're rich!
let's put it this way...a stranger came here,just passing through Bucharest.he was from Australia.i told him about all our problems and benefits,wages,economy,buildings,cars,theatres,parks and so on.
he was really impressed of what i showed him and what i told him about our nation.
he also had that stupid "rumor that travels around the world about Romania,being over-saturated with gypsies and all sort of fancy stuff like that".
he's not your average Joe,he is a history teacher,he told me stuff about Carol the First ,stuff that i had no clue about before our meeting.
So...we should be proud for the things we still have.we should also start investing in the touristic area,that's the way the bloody cookie crumbles these days, and we should also preserve what we have left.
see ya
QUOTE (d.light @ Feb 12 2007, 14:19)
I am proud of my nationality and don't care what anyone has to say when he hears that I am from Romania. Poor country? We have stupid people that run the country. We are not poor, just misguided, betrayed for their own personal interests. I am sorry that there are Romanians out there ashamed that are Romanians and consciently or not contribute to the destruction of our culture and values. Why embrace American culture? I don't say it's worse, but it's not any better either.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
oneill333's description is way far from the truth. I think that only in theory we have Romania. I mean we had to garantee with something for all the money we borrowed from outside. Little by little and very fast I might add, our spirit is destroyed too, till nothing will be left of us. So, you can ask me, why am I proud. I think I am proud more than what it was than were is headed and I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
If they have a bad opinion about Romania just because all they heard was about AIDS and Ceausescu, this means they are ignorants.
oneill333's description is way far from the truth. I think that only in theory we have Romania. I mean we had to garantee with something for all the money we borrowed from outside. Little by little and very fast I might add, our spirit is destroyed too, till nothing will be left of us. So, you can ask me, why am I proud. I think I am proud more than what it was than were is headed and I hope that is not too late and we can do something about it because we have many bright young people that could make a difference.
In response to your question, I would tell a stranger nothing, because there is nothing to tell. Just to come and see.
QFT. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make always when debating this topic with foreigners. I simply don't care that there are people ashamed of being Romanian. I could not see myself in any way ashamed by something I did not do or for which I am not responsible. The only people who should really be ashamed of being Romanian are those that steal, kill, rape and commit crimes day and night giving everyone else the impression that Romania is some kind of hellhole. And this impression is present in huge amounts in both the mentality and the books/movies written by those foreigners I was talking about above.
I'm tired of propaganda. I'm tired of hearing how we are a nation of thieves, a post-communist wasteland, children of Ceausescu, or anything like that. If you don't believe me when I'm saying we aren't, then please first come here to see for yourself. I have been here, you haven't, so I am much more entitled to an opinion than you.
I do believe each and everyone of us can make a difference, and I am in no way supportive of the opinion that Romania is a place that is not worth visiting - in fact, it's exactly the opposite! I think most people who visit Romania understand less than 20% of the town or city they visited. I also do believe it is a place with a lot, really a lot of hidden treasures, and a place where everything has a fascinating story of centuries, or even "tens of centuries", if I may say so. There is simply no way to describe in a few words a place the size of Romania. And I'm not saying it is a huge country or anything like that - it's just that its size is enough to make it physically not possible to give even a somewhat good image of our country in a few words.
Regards,
Mirc
the sad thing is that even Bulgarians believe we're a gypsy nation. Unfortunately, another cliché is being used all over the world -''Romanians are gypsy''
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