andreic
18th September 2003, 13:59
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In Evenimentul Zilei de azi, este mentionat Immergas cu 1100000 bucati vandute anual numai in Italia, faptul ca este numarul 1 in Italia, si ca are 13% din piata
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Daca am ajuns sa ne luam dupa Ev Zilei si comercialitatile lor... suntem way departe de adevar :cool:
Nu te-ai prins ca vor si ei sa intre pe piata si n-au loc de altzii... si platesc articole la comanda in ziare...
K:
www.ferroli.co.uk
www.beko.co.uk
Zi-mi si mie ce treaba au Beko cu aia... care sunt niste simpli distribuitori si nu au ca obiect de activitate centrale termice... (ca doar de ele vorbim, vezi pe net arata-mi mie vreo centrala la iei).
Aia de zici tu ca sunt no1 in Italia cu doar 13% piata... (tu stii cum probabil) ar trebui sa ia exemplu de la altii 
si cand vor sa vanda in alte tari sa-si faca propriul lant de distributie daca au muschi, nu rebrand-uri
Anyway, uite mai jos despre Beko pe site-ul oficial... ciudat e ca nici vorba de centrale de orice fel, nu neaparat Immergas... ciudat nu ? Pare ca o informatie scoasa la comanda...
Apropo, reprezinti cumva vreun distribuitor ? 
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Beko is a subsidiary of a large multinational group which is one of the top 500 largest companies in the
world with over 40 years experience in the manufacture of home appliances and televisions.
The company is located in Watford with the responsibility for all sales, marketing, distribution and product
support activities for the UK and Southern Ireland.
The Beko Product portfolio covers the following product areas ·
Refrigeration: Fridges with icebox, Larders, upright freezers, conventional and Frost-Free Fridge Freezers.
Colour Television's: 14" - 33" in formats including Remote, Teletext, Nicam Digital Stereo Virtual Dolby and
Dolby Pro-Logic with wide screen options for 28" products and above.
Free-standing Cookers in both electric and gas,
Washing machines ranging from 1000-1200rpm.
Dishwashers - 4 and 7 programme versions.
All Beko products are manufactured in state of the art production facilities that are approved to the latest
European and international quality and environmental standards. Each product type is produced in its own
dedicated facility using some of the most developed production techniques and equipment in the world.
Research and development is seen as vital and is therefore given high priority. R&D operates out of a dedicated
10,000sqm facility which is home to a dedicated team of scientists and engineers devoted to the development
of high quality, reliable, stylish, efficient and environmentally friendly products.
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andreic
18th September 2003, 19:42
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Heatline este marca inregistrata Beko Uk/Demirdokum...... am spus ca ar trebui sa stii mai bine despre ce vorbesti.......
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O fi cum zici tu... dar, la Beko UK pe site nu exista asa ceva... poate e vreo firma "fantoma"... ca sa mai si glumim un pic...
Anyway, eu zic asa, fiecare cu marca lui, nu are sens sa polemizam, tehnologic seamana intre ele insa vedem peste 10 ani ce centrala mai merge
Si eu cand am luat centrala am avut de ales si asta a fost aleasa din 2 motive, traditia lor in Italia si robustetea constructiei (am vazut-o demontata, am pipait componentele, mecanica, mi-au placut sistemele de siguranta, comutatoarele de presiune aer etc... (imi place tehnica in general)) si am gasit-o superioara celorlalte testate la vremea aia (Ariston, EuroStar si inca vreo 3 dar nu imi mai aduc aminte) care pareau tinichele, se strimbau daca le fortai putin etc...
La urma urmei, sunt doar 2-3 elemente de baza intr-o centrala, restul (digitalizari) e praf in ochii lumii... pompa si schimbatorul / turbina de aer... astea sunt elementele cheie si cu cea mai mare probabilitate de defect... (pompa mai ales) deci daca pe astea le ai bune de la inceput, poti sa ai si cea mai proasta marac de centrale, va merge bine
BigBro
19th September 2003, 00:34
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Lasa-le pe-alea in condensatie ca doar n-ai palat de incalzit 
Si pls zi-mi unde am distribuitor Ferolli in bucuresti sa trec pe la ei... tu de unde ai luat-o??? 
andreic
19th September 2003, 04:31
Eu am luat-o de la Conforteh (pe Bd Grivita spre Chibrit, imediat dupa podul Constanta (pina in Chitila). Am luat de acolo ca ei sunt si dealeri de radiatoare DeLonghi (sunt doar 2 dealeri DeLonghi in Bucuresti) si am facut all-in-one, tot ei au si instalat cu tot cu bransarea la gaze (sunt autorizati), asa iese mai ieftin decit pe bucati, mai ales ca majoritatea dealerilor fac si reduceri daca iei totul de la iei si in final tot ajungi mai ieftin decit pe bucati. Sunt meseriasi.
La adresa asta gasesti lista completa pentru Bucuresti, nu stiu cit e de bine actualizata, vezi si tu, da cate un email la fiecare... si vezi ce au, ca pot sa nu aiba toti un anume model etc... conforteh@arexim.ro
http://www.ferroli.ro/distr_buc.htm
http://www.ferroli.ro/noi.htm
http://www.ferroli.ro/benef.htm
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 08:00
DemirDöküm was the first company in Turkey to manufacture the cast-iron radiator, boiler, heater, the gas-fired instantaneous water-heater, the panel radiator and the combination boiler. Production began 46 years ago and in the year 2000, together with all DemirDöküm employees, we celebrated our 46th anniversary with great pride and happiness.
DemirDöküm was founded by the late Mr. Vehbi Koç, and because of his vision is today placed 90th among the largest 500 companies in Turkey. Consisting of 928 employees, 202 dealers and 294 qualified service stations we have become a huge organization and last year our achievement was recognized by ISO. In addition, Demirdöküm’s Bozüyük Plant received the “ISO Environment Reward” on 6th July 2000.
Because of our advanced and modern technology DemirDöküm is involved with many leading European companies. Among the companies DemirDöküm exports to are Chappee, Chauffege Françaıs, Sanuier Duval (France); Wolf (Germany) and Beko U.K. 50% of our total exports consist of panel radiators. In the near future we intend to begin exporting Kazakhstan and other Turkish Republics. Our future target markets include China, India and South Africa.
We are living through an age of continuous change within communication. Our philosophy in this changing global market is to provide our customers with high quality products in the shortest time possible. Included with quick delivery is the importance we give to after-sales services. It is a combination of these factors that has enabled DemirDöküm to move towards even higher goals.
Today, DemirDöküm customers can take advantage of unprecedented rights. All DemirDöküm standard products have a minimum of a 3-year total guarantee (some products offer 1-10 years).
DemirDöküm provides the customer with a 24-hour toll-free call service for heating and air-conditioning appliances. To ensure the success of this venture we have established a 7-day a week "DemirDöküm Qualified Service Support" team which provides a constant service in all four corners of Turkey.
The beginning of November 1999 saw the transfer of the DemirDöküm Head Office to Inegol. Having both Headquarters and the Production plant in one location has enabled product development and manufacturing to work side by side, efficiently and effectively.
As I consider our past, our present and the implications for our future I am convinced that together with our employees, service support teams, dealers and customers we will continue to be an exemplary success.
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 08:04
PANEL RADIATORS
DemirDöküm started to produce panel radiators in 1979.The new factory, which has a 1.200.000m/year production capacity, was built in 1994.
Demirdöküm is a unique producer in Turkey for the following reasons:
· It was the first producer of Panel Radiators.
· It has the largest capacity.
· It is the first producer to have held the standard ISO 9002 since 1987.
· It is the only producer offering a 10-year warranty.
· It is the only producer of Panel Radiators with 25mm. pitch.
· It is the only producer using zinc phosphate and water-based cathaphoric paint for coatings.
· It is the only producer using the Power & Free conveyor system which provides a better surface quality and more productivity.
· It is the only producer which tests Panel Radiators at 13 bar.
THE SUPERIOR PROPERTIES OF PANEL RADIATORS:
· 25mm pitch giving a very high heat output
· Dipping type degreasing,
· 13 bar test pressure
· Zinc phosphate coating against corrosion
· Cathaphoric primer coating for resistance
· Epoxy polyester electrostatic powder coating as a top coat
THE CHARACTERISTICS OF PANEL RADIATORS:
Panel radiators are available in a wide product range:
· 6 different heights: 300,400,500,600,750,900 mm.
· 27 different lengths: from 400 mm. to 3000 mm. in 100 mm. increments
· 6 different depths: 10,11,20,21,22,33
· 5 different options: standard,valve at right / left,garniture at right / left,
· 3 grill alternatives: grilled,ungrilled,special gril
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 08:07
ETMK'98 Product Design Award
DemirDöküm was presented with the 'ETMK 98 Best Product Design' award at the prestigious Odyssey show. With over 100 nominees from various parts of the world, DemirDöküm has taken great pride in accepting the ETMK award.
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 08:09
CONSUMER AWARD
The Turkish Ministry for Industry and Business, on behalf of the ‘Consumer and Competition Protection Institute’ awarded DemirDöküm the “Consumer Satisfaction Award”.
This prestigious ceremony was held at the Ankara Hilton Hotel on 20 March 1998. Germiyan Saatçioglu on behalf of DemirDöküm accepted the esteemed award. The Industry and Business Minister Mr. Yalim Erez presented the award.
DemirDöküm has continuously provided its understanding of customer satisfaction. Together with the Consumer Satisfaction Award we have been justified by the customer, that we have always provided the ultimate service, assisted the customer with product awareness via showrooms, visited the customer door to door and aided them with all questions that they had. Providing the customer with catalogues, prices and a free telephone service, is an initiative which we believe the customer deserves. Educational programs have also been introduced to provide the consumer with detailed knowledge of DemirDöküm products. Various social activities and all other consumer satisfaction inspirations have clearly been the main reason why DemirDöküm was decorated with the leading Consumer Award.
“DemirDöküm, who has been presented with the ‘Consumer Satisfaction Award’, will always continue to supply its endless service to the customer”
bam
19th September 2003, 11:10
Tocmai ma hotarasem si eu asupra modelului de centrala pe care voiam sa-l cumpar, adica Ferroli Domina F30EL, am luat lista cu distribuitori din Bucuresti si am inceput sa sun pe la mai multi.
Preturile pt centrala + kit +pif sunt cam asa: Aquatherm - 35,4 mil, Ascomi(Ferroli) - 30,8 mil, FAI Trading 31,5 mil, General Fluid - 27,5(dubios de ieftin, banuiesc ca mi-a dat pretul de la un alt model desi am intrebat de 2 ori), Magic Intermed - 34,3 mil...
M-am oprit cu telefoanele la Plan-Therm cand am vorbit cu un "specialist" sau specialist (nu mi-am dat seama din discutie) care mi-a spus ca centralele Ferroli Domina F30EL nu se mai fabrica si ca imi recomanda o centrala Westen de 30kw si care cica este o firma noua (probabil ca noua pe piata romaneasca) care are un schimbator de cupru pt circuitul primar si unul in placi pt cel secundar si cica ar fi mai bun cel cu circuitele separate pt ca in cazul unei defectiuni, este mult mai ieftin sa schimbi un schimbator in placi decat sa schimbi tot ansamblul (cazul Ferroli).
De aici eu am capatat doua probleme:
1) daca centralele Ferroli Domina F30EL nu se mai fabrica, vor asigura piese de schimb, sau trebuie sa ai noroc sa nu ti se strice pana va veni vremea sa o schimbi?
2) este mai avantajos sistemul cu schimbatoarele separate fata de cel cu schimbatorul intr-un singur ansamblu dpdv al costurilor de reparatii in caz de defectiune?
andreic
19th September 2003, 13:05
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care mi-a spus ca centralele Ferroli Domina F30EL nu se mai fabrica si ca imi recomanda o centrala Westen de 30kw si care
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Este posibil, e model mai vechi si le inlocuiesc cu Ferroli Domitop H F30EL din cate am vazut la Conforteh (vezi pe site) ! E acelasi lucru doar ca au mi se pare control electronic mai avansat, puterea si interiorul in mare e acelasi, difera usor designul exterior si poate... pretul.
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1) daca centralele Ferroli Domina F30EL nu se mai fabrica, vor asigura piese de schimb, sau trebuie sa ai noroc sa nu ti se strice pana va veni vremea sa o schimbi?
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Piesele mecanice, care se pot defecta sunt aceleasi ca la majoritatea..., le gasesti ca nu sunt raritati, pompa, valva, turbina de evacuare etc...
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2) este mai avantajos sistemul cu schimbatoarele separate fata de cel cu schimbatorul intr-un singur ansamblu dpdv al costurilor de reparatii in caz de defectiune?
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Cred ca in final, ca la orice afacere, te scoate la acelasi cost, doar iti da impresia ca e "mai bine"...
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:24
Daca ai nevoie de 31 kw cu un schimbator iti recomand Eolo 27 Iono Maior, dar ai nevoie de 2 schimbatoare Eolo 27 Superior
anexez brosura la Eolo Maior
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:28
pagina 2 Eolo Maior , scuze si Eolo 27 Iono Maior are 2 schimbatoare
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:32
pagina 3 Eolo Maior
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:34
pagina 4 Eolo Maior
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:36
pagina 5 Eolo Maior
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:39
pagina 6 Eolo Maior
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:40
pagina 7 Eolo Maior
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 16:42
pagina 8 Eolo Maior
bam
19th September 2003, 17:43
10x
vad ca modelul Eolo Maior are schimbator in placi, vana cu 3 cai, adica circuitele de incalzire si apa menajera se amesteca intre ele, deci nu pot pune antigel in instalatie...nashpa
ai idee daca modelul Eolo 27 Superior are acelasi model de schimbator?
CAIUSCAMILLUS
19th September 2003, 17:55
Nu se amesteca agentul primar cu apa calda menajera! Este ceva total gresit!!!!!!!!!!!! Cum pot sa scrii asa ceva?????????????
Poti sa pui antigel fara probleme in circuitul de incalzire si nu se amesteca niciodata cu apa calda menajera!
andreic
19th September 2003, 19:18
Centralele cu vana sunt din generatia anilor 80' inceput 90'; cine mai ia acuma asa ceva cind poti sa iei frumos fara acest element, foarte sensibil la defectari... ?
Si tu acuma... fa macar publicitate la ceva serios, modern... nu tehnologii "cu aburi"... nici o centra moderna nu mai merge cu tehnologii expirate, cu vane si alte comutari/combinatiii intre circuite...
Circuite directe fara vana... izolatie perfecta.
andreic
20th September 2003, 00:49
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O intebare de baraj: Cum stiu daca teava de Cupru e buna nu e falsificata (in cazu in care se poate) oricum de calitate??? sa fie inscriptionata ca aia de la Brico Store de scrie pe ia YorkShire?? si costa de rupe?? 280 mii 3metri?? ca am mai gasit si cu 30 mii metru nu de alta..
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Asta nu stiu, cuprul poate fi simplu sau fara carbon (tratat)... Nu stiu cum le inscriptioneaza dar, in mod normal, ar trebui sa fie scris din fabrica pe ea ceva din 2 in 2m... cu un fel de intepaturi... asa e la a mea. Dar depinde, fiecare isi noteaza in felul lui...
Apropo de pret... e normal ! Cam atita face o teava de 22 si 3m, asa am avut si eu. Alea mai subtiri sunt mai ieftine, de fapt in functie de diametru se ia. Vezi ca e nevoie si de coturi, bride si alte chestii... da stie omu care instaleaza. Faceti un plan exact al instalatiei asa cum trebuie termodinamic... si se calculeaza materialul dupa aia...
Oricum, fii fara grija, nu se rup sau altele , rezista foarte bine atit la presiune cit si la temperatura... se dilata putin dar e normal si sunt oarecum elastice, insa sunt cele mai rezistente in timp si la imbinari.
Ca o paranteza, la spitatul Universitar, tevile de oxigen si dioxid de carbon care vin la salile de operatii sau saloane sunt facute tot din cupru exact ca astea de la calorifere doar ca sunt mai subtiri, mi se pare au 10-12mm diametru :cool:
Tevile se sudeaza cu lampa, decapant si cositor, imbinarea daca nu a fost grasime pe teava sau alte mizerii este perfecta, cositorul incins intra prin cele mai mici crapaturi posibile si adera la cupru.
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Si apropox modelu Domina E si Domina EL o fi acelasi lucru ??? ca nu prea se intelege de pe net..
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Astia de la noi spun ca EL inseamna aprindere electronica... sau ionizare electronica (modelul Domina C24 nu are !) dar e greu sa te iei dupa asta ca notarea de baza e numai cu E la capat..., e bine sa verifici indicativul exact al centralei (e pe o eticheta unde e si seria) care la Domina / Ferroli este de forma "1BALE89A"... asa e la mine si fiecare are un indicativ care se poate verifica pe site-ul din Italia, si da exact ce stie. Inducativul meu nu l-am gasit pe site exact asa cum e scris pe centrala, am gasit doar "1BALA89A"... ce diferenta e intre ele nu stiu nici eu... poate tipul de electronica / dotarile (unele vin cu termometru, altele nu, cine stie...).
Ce stiu este ca 1BA... este pe gaz natural iar 1BC... este pe GPL, si celalalte litere or spune ceva dar nu stiu ce... dupa cum vezi in graficul atasat, luat de pe site-ul din Italia toate modelele in afara de C24 au toate dotarile electronice necesare... si probabil ultima litera a indicativului daca sunt doua nu e esentiala, important e sa fie macar "E" la coada, adica F24E (F iti trebuie la bloc, e cu tiraj fortat)
Am un amic care avea mai demult un catalog cu o gramada de centarel si sisteme de incalzire la mai multe firme si le cautai dupa codul asta si spunea exact ce fac... ar trebui cautat pe net asa ceva...
Oricum, daca regasesti indicativul in tabelul atasat, e ok, stii exact ce e.
Iar in imaginea de la adresa:
www.andreicioaca.as.ro/utils/f30e.jpg
o sa vezi o poza a centralei mele cu capacul demontat... in stanga imaginii se vede teava "tur" pe care pleaca apa in circuit, are 28mm. Panolul frontal cu electronica se rabateaza in jos si astfel ai acces instant al orice componenta... vasul de expansiune are 12 litri (pentru varianta F30E), deci poti face instalatii de aproape 250-300 litri... nici nu ai unde asa mult
CAIUSCAMILLUS
20th September 2003, 07:57
De ce in Europa de Vest nu se vand centrale bitermice, de ce unii producatori au renuntat la productia de bitermice, cum ramane cu depunerile de calcar in schimbatorul bitermic?
CAIUSCAMILLUS
20th September 2003, 08:38
pdf Avio Maior Zeus Maior Immergas anexat
Aceasta este o versiune simplificatã a paginii originale. Pentru a vizita versiunea originala
click aici.
ca am mai gasit si cu 30 mii metru nu de alta..